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Pierre wrote:
I don't have so much a problem with fanfiction as I go with phrases like "That made Gaston/Belle passable" because fanfiction is inherently uncanon, working with false interpretations of the original characters. Therefore the envisioned pairings are actually not passable because they never occur in the core of the character.
People deviate from the original characters and write them how they want to see them which changes everything.
It is not 'passable' because the pairings are no longer talking about the same characters, just some bastardised romanticised wishwash of what they were.
Oh dear...I just bashed fanfiction on an AA site....hmm I foresee a drop in popularity.
People deviate from the original characters and write them how they want to see them which changes everything.
It is not 'passable' because the pairings are no longer talking about the same characters, just some bastardised romanticised wishwash of what they were.
Oh dear...I just bashed fanfiction on an AA site....hmm I foresee a drop in popularity.
It's more so that you come off as a bit of a hypocrite, considering that you've got an avatar that appears to ship Phoenix with Thalassa.
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Pierre wrote:
I don't have so much a problem with fanfiction as I go with phrases like "That made Gaston/Belle passable" because fanfiction is inherently uncanon, working with false interpretations of the original characters. Therefore the envisioned pairings are actually not passable because they never occur in the core of the character.
People deviate from the original characters and write them how they want to see them which changes everything.
It is not 'passable' because the pairings are no longer talking about the same characters, just some bastardised romanticised wishwash of what they were.
People deviate from the original characters and write them how they want to see them which changes everything.
It is not 'passable' because the pairings are no longer talking about the same characters, just some bastardised romanticised wishwash of what they were.
Well... there are people who write fanfiction who really stay close to Canon and make sure to portray the characters they way they are in Canon. What about them?
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CatMuto wrote:
Pierre wrote:
I don't have so much a problem with fanfiction as I go with phrases like "That made Gaston/Belle passable" because fanfiction is inherently uncanon, working with false interpretations of the original characters. Therefore the envisioned pairings are actually not passable because they never occur in the core of the character.
People deviate from the original characters and write them how they want to see them which changes everything.
It is not 'passable' because the pairings are no longer talking about the same characters, just some bastardised romanticised wishwash of what they were.
People deviate from the original characters and write them how they want to see them which changes everything.
It is not 'passable' because the pairings are no longer talking about the same characters, just some bastardised romanticised wishwash of what they were.
Well... there are people who write fanfiction who really stay close to Canon and make sure to portray the characters they way they are in Canon. What about them?
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To get this into Pierre's narrow mind...The two characters were IN CHARACTER, I wouldn't say it was passable if they weren't.
the only difference was the the story took place in an alternate universe where Belle never left her boring town and met a beast.
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Emiko Gale wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Pierre wrote:
I don't have so much a problem with fanfiction as I go with phrases like "That made Gaston/Belle passable" because fanfiction is inherently uncanon, working with false interpretations of the original characters. Therefore the envisioned pairings are actually not passable because they never occur in the core of the character.
People deviate from the original characters and write them how they want to see them which changes everything.
It is not 'passable' because the pairings are no longer talking about the same characters, just some bastardised romanticised wishwash of what they were.
People deviate from the original characters and write them how they want to see them which changes everything.
It is not 'passable' because the pairings are no longer talking about the same characters, just some bastardised romanticised wishwash of what they were.
Well... there are people who write fanfiction who really stay close to Canon and make sure to portray the characters they way they are in Canon. What about them?
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To get this into Pierre's narrow mind...The two characters were IN CHARACTER, I wouldn't say it was passable if they weren't.
the only difference was the the story took place in an alternate universe where Belle never left her boring town and met a beast.
Haha but they are NEVER in character. They can be played 'really close' to the original character but there are always those little author inserts which change them dramatically.
For example in the opening half hour of Beauty and the Beast Belle is free-spirited and indicates an active dislike/repulsion for Gaston when he makes advances on her at least from my memory of the film.
Therefore any outcome where they end up together is out-of-character by virtue of the little renditions that have been made. Especially in the case of Gaston and Belle where we see the whole canon interaction between the two characters (due to Gaston's death) therefore there is no room for ambiguity in 'what comes after' like there may be for Ralph and Vanellope.
Therefore no matter how 'passable' you consider it or how 'in-character' they seem the author always makes changes to ensure the result the fic is pushing for. The fics have an agenda the author is trying to push and therefore the characters are never truly 'right' and therefore never truly passable.
A fic where Belle doesn't leave and ends up with Gaston actually sounds like a 'grim bad-ending' to me actually, she flees from Beast's castle until everyone in the town peer-pressures her into marrying Gaston. I'm sure that's not how it goes but that's what comes to mind to me.
Also give me a break, I'd like to think I'm a pretty open minded but when I find the thought of pairing a 30-something year old huge man romantically with a 6-9 year old girl who canonically share a brother-sister or maybe father-daughter at a stretch relationship repulsive and not ok I'm narrow minded?
Pfft seems acceptable to me.
Also General Luigi I apologise if it seems hypocritical but I don't even pretend to accept that ThalassaxPhoenix is passable or make any case for them, it's simply a nice outcome I'd like personally like to see but I would never argue that it's the case canon or otherwise. It's just for my own personal enjoyment, if you want me to change it I will. I also believe I paid some small degree of virtual currency for the artwork and if I don't display it now and then I'm not really getting my money's worth so to speak.
Right...on topic.
I just started reading Game of Thrones. I realise the 'hip' thing right now is the TV series but I barely get round to watching much TV these days, nevermind the fact I doubt any channel I have would show it. Though I'm trying to read more anyway to improve my vocabulary and I do love high fantasy genres.
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Hey, this isn't over yet! I want a bloody explanation to why you insulted me and all people who support and/or make fanfictions of crack pairings out of nowhere...And you're still being arrogant.
I waited all day yesterday for your pretentious arse to get online.
I waited all day yesterday for your pretentious arse to get online.
Woah easy Emiko, I typically spend Tuesdays getting out of my little village to spend time with my close friends once a week. Can't watch CR all the time.
Let's cool off a bit cause right now you're throwing more insults my way that I've done to you.
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Pierre wrote:
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Anything is possible with fanfiction, and if you guys get your minds out of the gutter you can see that.
Like, I once read an awesome Beauty and the Beast fanfiction that made Gaston/Belle passable.
Like, I once read an awesome Beauty and the Beast fanfiction that made Gaston/Belle passable.
I don't have so much a problem with fanfiction as I go with phrases like "That made Gaston/Belle passable" because fanfiction is inherently uncanon, working with false interpretations of the original characters. Therefore the envisioned pairings are actually not passable because they never occur in the core of the character.
People deviate from the original characters and write them how they want to see them which changes everything.
It is not 'passable' because the pairings are no longer talking about the same characters, just some bastardised romanticised wishwash of what they were.
Oh dear...I just bashed fanfiction on an AA site....hmm I foresee a drop in popularity.
I don't have so much a problem with your views on fanfiction as I do with terms like "false interpretations." Can someone really have a "false interpretation"? You either interpret something or you don't. If you "falsely" interpreted something, that would mean you made up a bullshit view of something you didn't really believe in. And that just makes no sense at all.
You may not agree with someone's interpretation but it doesn't make it "false." Maybe "inconsistent with canon" or "possibly whacked" but certainly not "false." (Hey, someone out there believes it.)
As far as fanfiction goes, I don't see how playing with the possibility of a couple automatically makes the possibility "not passable." Is it that people jump in right away and say "okay, just pretend so-and-so likes so-and-so, otherwise my fic doesn't work!" or are you just against anything that develops a story from point A to point B, simply because the end result isn't something you agree with? Anything is passable if you give respect to the original canon as much as possible while writing your story. Characters can develop and change all during the course of any story, even the original. I mean, if you're going to imply anybody else can't "change" a story because it's fanfiction and have it be a valid possibility, you might as well tell a story team of an ongoing series that if they make X character fall in love, that it's bullshit because at the beginning, X wasn't that type of character who was capable of falling in love. (Obviously, there may be an exception or two.) But it's all in how you handle it.
To use your example, Gaston/Belle? If I'd only seen Beauty and the Beast, yeah, I'd say fuck it, no way. Gross. But if somebody made it so that Gaston eventually (not instantly) stopped being a complete arrogant, scheming, heartless prick, and developed qualities that appealed more to Belle, and did it without insult to either Gaston's or Belle's characters, I might change my mind.
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Adrian in black wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Emiko Gale wrote:
Anything is possible with fanfiction, and if you guys get your minds out of the gutter you can see that.
Like, I once read an awesome Beauty and the Beast fanfiction that made Gaston/Belle passable.
Like, I once read an awesome Beauty and the Beast fanfiction that made Gaston/Belle passable.
I don't have so much a problem with fanfiction as I go with phrases like "That made Gaston/Belle passable" because fanfiction is inherently uncanon, working with false interpretations of the original characters. Therefore the envisioned pairings are actually not passable because they never occur in the core of the character.
People deviate from the original characters and write them how they want to see them which changes everything.
It is not 'passable' because the pairings are no longer talking about the same characters, just some bastardised romanticised wishwash of what they were.
Oh dear...I just bashed fanfiction on an AA site....hmm I foresee a drop in popularity.
I don't have so much a problem with your views on fanfiction as I do with terms like "false interpretations." Can someone really have a "false interpretation"? You either interpret something or you don't. If you "falsely" interpreted something, that would mean you made up a bullshit view of something you didn't really believe in. And that just makes no sense at all.
You may not agree with someone's interpretation but it doesn't make it "false." Maybe "inconsistent with canon" or "possibly whacked" but certainly not "false." (Hey, someone out there believes it.)
As far as fanfiction goes, I don't see how playing with the possibility of a couple automatically makes the possibility "not passable." Is it that people jump in right away and say "okay, just pretend so-and-so likes so-and-so, otherwise my fic doesn't work!" or are you just against anything that develops a story from point A to point B, simply because the end result isn't something you agree with? Anything is passable if you give respect to the original canon as much as possible while writing your story. Characters can develop and change all during the course of any story, even the original. I mean, if you're going to imply anybody else can't "change" a story because it's fanfiction and have it be a valid possibility, you might as well tell a story team of an ongoing series that if they make X character fall in love, that it's bullshit because at the beginning, X wasn't that type of character who was capable of falling in love. (Obviously, there may be an exception or two.) But it's all in how you handle it.
To use your example, Gaston/Belle? If I'd only seen Beauty and the Beast, yeah, I'd say fuck it, no way. Gross. But if somebody made it so that Gaston eventually (not instantly) stopped being a complete arrogant, scheming, heartless prick, and developed qualities that appealed more to Belle, and did it without insult to either Gaston's or Belle's characters, I might change my mind.
Regarding the term 'false interpretation': I meant 'False' in the eyes of the creators or as you put it 'inconsistent with canon'. False as in incorrect, as in defying the facts we know about the character laid down by the character's creator. Their own little delusion about what the character could be 'cept it's wrong because we know very specifically what a character is. Now this isn't all characters, some times there's legitimate wiggle room and the writers oft leave it this way. Kanji from Persona 4 is a good example since he actively battles with the concept of his homosexuality and it's never absolutely resolved. However he is one character and it's made abundantly clear he has potential to be one thing or the other, most fanfiction I've scene is grasping at straws for their answers and interpretations if not changing the character entirely.
Now you tried to turn my example on me by saying:
"If somebody made it so that Gaston eventually stopped being a complete arrogant, scheming, heartless prick and developed qualities that appealed more to Belle, and did it without insult to either Gaston's or Belle's characters, I might change my mind"
That sentence seems like an oxymoron to me, it contradicts itself because changing Gaston's character to not be all those things IS an insult to Gaston's character. Those things are at the core of his character, to make him not those things is to insult the original designs of the character. Gradual or otherwise it takes away the best things that made that character what he originally was. People reading the fanfic won't be reading about Gaston anymore.
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Can I make the pairing work? I can do what I can to keep the characters true to their original designs. This is probably the more important part of making a non-canon pairing work. Just how much I end up "derailing" the characters in question depends on whether or not they change over the course of the story and how believable I can make those changes seem. Assuming such changes are made, I must organize the plot in such a way that the characters react in a way that stays true to their original design, yet also allows for them to change in accordance with my intentions. It's very easy to screw that kind of thing up and "derail" the characters. I was definitely guilty of that with my story. Can an author create a series of events that, say, change Gaston from a jerk into a nice guy? It's doable, but how believable the change is depends on the author. As I said, this kind of thing is easy to screw up. Still, a sufficiently competent author can pull it off.
If there is something in the official story that prevents a couple from getting together (such as one character being dead), there are a few ways to go about remedying this. I tend to use what I call the "what if" approach. What if my dead character's soul technically wasn't destroyed? What if the method used to revive the villain could also be used to revive my dead character? For my story, thanks to things already established in the official story, I was able to avoid actually contradicting canon. With the Gaston and Belle example, though, a different "what if" has to be used: what if Belle and the Beast had never met? I've seen this called an "alternate universe" approach, though I think of it as a subset of "what if." The alternate universe approach contradicts canon right off the bat, but it takes care of the problem of Gaston's death and also gives the author the freedom to start restructuring the plot and bring the characters in question together. On its own, "correcting" canon won't bring a couple together, but it does provide the means to make the couple plausible within the context of the fan fiction. Again, though, more has to be done than just that to bring a couple together.
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Pierre wrote:
Adrian in black wrote:
Pierre wrote:
I don't have so much a problem with fanfiction as I go with phrases like "That made Gaston/Belle passable" because fanfiction is inherently uncanon, working with false interpretations of the original characters. Therefore the envisioned pairings are actually not passable because they never occur in the core of the character.
People deviate from the original characters and write them how they want to see them which changes everything.
It is not 'passable' because the pairings are no longer talking about the same characters, just some bastardised romanticised wishwash of what they were.
Oh dear...I just bashed fanfiction on an AA site....hmm I foresee a drop in popularity.
I don't have so much a problem with your views on fanfiction as I do with terms like "false interpretations." Can someone really have a "false interpretation"? You either interpret something or you don't. If you "falsely" interpreted something, that would mean you made up a bullshit view of something you didn't really believe in. And that just makes no sense at all.
You may not agree with someone's interpretation but it doesn't make it "false." Maybe "inconsistent with canon" or "possibly whacked" but certainly not "false." (Hey, someone out there believes it.)
As far as fanfiction goes, I don't see how playing with the possibility of a couple automatically makes the possibility "not passable." Is it that people jump in right away and say "okay, just pretend so-and-so likes so-and-so, otherwise my fic doesn't work!" or are you just against anything that develops a story from point A to point B, simply because the end result isn't something you agree with? Anything is passable if you give respect to the original canon as much as possible while writing your story. Characters can develop and change all during the course of any story, even the original. I mean, if you're going to imply anybody else can't "change" a story because it's fanfiction and have it be a valid possibility, you might as well tell a story team of an ongoing series that if they make X character fall in love, that it's bullshit because at the beginning, X wasn't that type of character who was capable of falling in love. (Obviously, there may be an exception or two.) But it's all in how you handle it.
To use your example, Gaston/Belle? If I'd only seen Beauty and the Beast, yeah, I'd say fuck it, no way. Gross. But if somebody made it so that Gaston eventually (not instantly) stopped being a complete arrogant, scheming, heartless prick, and developed qualities that appealed more to Belle, and did it without insult to either Gaston's or Belle's characters, I might change my mind.
Regarding the term 'false interpretation': I meant 'False' in the eyes of the creators or as you put it 'inconsistent with canon'. False as in incorrect, as in defying the facts we know about the character laid down by the character's creator. Their own little delusion about what the character could be 'cept it's wrong because we know very specifically what a character is. Now this isn't all characters, some times there's legitimate wiggle room and the writers oft leave it this way. Kanji from Persona 4 is a good example since he actively battles with the concept of his homosexuality and it's never absolutely resolved. However he is one character and it's made abundantly clear he has potential to be one thing or the other, most fanfiction I've scene is grasping at straws for their answers and interpretations if not changing the character entirely.
Now you tried to turn my example on me by saying:
"If somebody made it so that Gaston eventually stopped being a complete arrogant, scheming, heartless prick and developed qualities that appealed more to Belle, and did it without insult to either Gaston's or Belle's characters, I might change my mind"
That sentence seems like an oxymoron to me, it contradicts itself because changing Gaston's character to not be all those things IS an insult to Gaston's character. Those things are at the core of his character, to make him not those things is to insult the original designs of the character. Gradual or otherwise it takes away the best things that made that character what he originally was. People reading the fanfic won't be reading about Gaston anymore.
It's called character development. It can be done as long as you first acknowledge what a character is.
And honestly, what would be the difference between a well written fanfiction and Disney releasing some new B&B prequel showing that Gaston used to be a sweet, sensitive, fwuffy wuv bunny? Would it be that it's Disney adding in the layers, instead of some unenlightened little fan?
It's very interesting that you take issue with a character changing because what the character originally was is considered "the core of his character."
If that's the case, you may want to put down book 1 of A Song of Ice and Fire before you get in too deep. George R. R. Martin is notorious for changing characters into something the reader may not recognize some chapters down the road. I'm just telling you now: everyone you're reading about in A Game of Thrones... will not be the same people you're reading about by A Dance With Dragons (book 5). Very, very few might be. I will guarantee there are moments you will stop and go, "Wait, wasn't this person a little goody two shoes?" or "WTF? Wasn't I supposed to hate this guy?" Then again, who knows. Maybe you'll come to recognize how characters can change in spite of the audience's first impression.
(heh, actually it's odd mentioning both GRRM and fanfiction in the same thread, considering he despises the stuff, though partly for potential legal reasons. And even odder mentioning B&B, seeing as how GRRM loves that trope)
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It's called character development. It can be done as long as you first acknowledge what a character is.
And honestly, what would be the difference between a well written fanfiction and Disney releasing some new B&B prequel showing that Gaston used to be a sweet, sensitive, fwuffy wuv bunny? Would it be that it's Disney adding in the layers, instead of some unenlightened little fan?
It's very interesting that you take issue with a character changing because what the character originally was is considered "the core of his character."
If that's the case, you may want to put down book 1 of A Song of Ice and Fire before you get in too deep. George R. R. Martin is notorious for changing characters into something the reader may not recognize some chapters down the road. I'm just telling you now: everyone you're reading about in A Game of Thrones... will not be the same people you're reading about by A Dance With Dragons (book 5). Very, very few might be. I will guarantee there are moments you will stop and go, "Wait, wasn't this person a little goody two shoes?" or "WTF? Wasn't I supposed to hate this guy?" Then again, who knows. Maybe you'll come to recognize how characters can change in spite of the audience's first impression.
(heh, actually it's odd mentioning both GRRM and fanfiction in the same thread, considering he despises the stuff, though partly for potential legal reasons. And even odder mentioning B&B, seeing as how GRRM loves that trope)
And honestly, what would be the difference between a well written fanfiction and Disney releasing some new B&B prequel showing that Gaston used to be a sweet, sensitive, fwuffy wuv bunny? Would it be that it's Disney adding in the layers, instead of some unenlightened little fan?
It's very interesting that you take issue with a character changing because what the character originally was is considered "the core of his character."
If that's the case, you may want to put down book 1 of A Song of Ice and Fire before you get in too deep. George R. R. Martin is notorious for changing characters into something the reader may not recognize some chapters down the road. I'm just telling you now: everyone you're reading about in A Game of Thrones... will not be the same people you're reading about by A Dance With Dragons (book 5). Very, very few might be. I will guarantee there are moments you will stop and go, "Wait, wasn't this person a little goody two shoes?" or "WTF? Wasn't I supposed to hate this guy?" Then again, who knows. Maybe you'll come to recognize how characters can change in spite of the audience's first impression.
(heh, actually it's odd mentioning both GRRM and fanfiction in the same thread, considering he despises the stuff, though partly for potential legal reasons. And even odder mentioning B&B, seeing as how GRRM loves that trope)
Well sure Disney could do that, they own the rights to the character and can mold him as they see fit, I wouldn't think Gaston was as entertaining anymore but hey it would establish that Gaston offically had such depths to his character. It really is as simple as it being a matter of officiality, anything else is just stretching and altering the truth to fit an agenda or whim. Bear in mind this discussion seems to be specifically about Gaston right now, I once speculated (to the unusual looks of my friends) that Gaston could have been a great hero strong, beloved by his village determined to defend them from threats if he wasn't so narcissistic and evil. However Disney showed us exactly as much of Gaston as they wanted to. We know he doesn't have depths, if Disney did do it? Yes it would be character development and hopefully gradual but until then when a fan rewrites the universe to tell their own story it's wishful thinking.
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Pierre, going back to your earlier defense of your previous avatar, most fan fiction authors I've come across hold the same view. It takes a special kind of arrogance to insist a clearly non-canon pairing (Thalassa and Phoenix, for example) is actually canon. Most authors I have come across would never try to prop up their preferred non-canon pairings as canon. Some of the pairings people might support and/or write about would easily come off as ridiculous to most of us (such as Ralph and Vanellope, which started this whole debate). I can't speak for Emiko, but when someone says a story manages to "make [a pairing] work," I assume it is a case of the characters in question working as a pairing only within the context of that story. Heck, in one of my earlier fan fictions, I brought a character back from the dead in order to pair him up with someone he loved (to avoid spoiling the story they're from, I won't reveal their names). Looking back on it, there's definitely room for improvement both with regards to how true to the original characters I was and the means by which I brought them together. Maybe I'll rewrite it someday. And then suddenly stop uploading new chapters around the time they finally get together, knowing me...
Can I make the pairing work? I can do what I can to keep the characters true to their original designs. This is probably the more important part of making a non-canon pairing work. Just how much I end up "derailing" the characters in question depends on whether or not they change over the course of the story and how believable I can make those changes seem. Assuming such changes are made, I must organize the plot in such a way that the characters react in a way that stays true to their original design, yet also allows for them to change in accordance with my intentions. It's very easy to screw that kind of thing up and "derail" the characters. I was definitely guilty of that with my story. Can an author create a series of events that, say, change Gaston from a jerk into a nice guy? It's doable, but how believable the change is depends on the author. As I said, this kind of thing is easy to screw up. Still, a sufficiently competent author can pull it off.
If there is something in the official story that prevents a couple from getting together (such as one character being dead), there are a few ways to go about remedying this. I tend to use what I call the "what if" approach. What if my dead character's soul technically wasn't destroyed? What if the method used to revive the villain could also be used to revive my dead character? For my story, thanks to things already established in the official story, I was able to avoid actually contradicting canon. With the Gaston and Belle example, though, a different "what if" has to be used: what if Belle and the Beast had never met? I've seen this called an "alternate universe" approach, though I think of it as a subset of "what if." The alternate universe approach contradicts canon right off the bat, but it takes care of the problem of Gaston's death and also gives the author the freedom to start restructuring the plot and bring the characters in question together. On its own, "correcting" canon won't bring a couple together, but it does provide the means to make the couple plausible within the context of the fan fiction. Again, though, more has to be done than just that to bring a couple together.
Can I make the pairing work? I can do what I can to keep the characters true to their original designs. This is probably the more important part of making a non-canon pairing work. Just how much I end up "derailing" the characters in question depends on whether or not they change over the course of the story and how believable I can make those changes seem. Assuming such changes are made, I must organize the plot in such a way that the characters react in a way that stays true to their original design, yet also allows for them to change in accordance with my intentions. It's very easy to screw that kind of thing up and "derail" the characters. I was definitely guilty of that with my story. Can an author create a series of events that, say, change Gaston from a jerk into a nice guy? It's doable, but how believable the change is depends on the author. As I said, this kind of thing is easy to screw up. Still, a sufficiently competent author can pull it off.
If there is something in the official story that prevents a couple from getting together (such as one character being dead), there are a few ways to go about remedying this. I tend to use what I call the "what if" approach. What if my dead character's soul technically wasn't destroyed? What if the method used to revive the villain could also be used to revive my dead character? For my story, thanks to things already established in the official story, I was able to avoid actually contradicting canon. With the Gaston and Belle example, though, a different "what if" has to be used: what if Belle and the Beast had never met? I've seen this called an "alternate universe" approach, though I think of it as a subset of "what if." The alternate universe approach contradicts canon right off the bat, but it takes care of the problem of Gaston's death and also gives the author the freedom to start restructuring the plot and bring the characters in question together. On its own, "correcting" canon won't bring a couple together, but it does provide the means to make the couple plausible within the context of the fan fiction. Again, though, more has to be done than just that to bring a couple together.
A lot of what you said doesn't bear writing against because it's just good advice for writing stories, you should post it as an educational bit for aspiring fanfic writers.
Certainly I can accept that within the writer's mind by twisting the characters and universe to fit their story a pairing can be 'passable' to them. I wouldn't agree because we're talking about something trying to be objectively 'passable' and it depends on the reader's views regarding the original characters to determine how much they have changed and whether they approve of it. My views on Vanellope and Ralph lead me to believe it's never 'passable' though I do harbour a certain disgust for the pairing in the first place.
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Few days ago the library finally had the book I had wanted to read for a while.
Thus; I'm currently reading Shut Your Eyes Tight by John Verdon.
I read the Think of a Number a while ago and I kinda iked it.
Bit boring at times but still good book and I wanted more so I was excited when the translated version was finally on my reach.
I've read ~120 pages so far and I like it. The presentation Gurney had in the earlier chapter was definitely really interesting.
Can't say much about the overall plot yet though.
I'm bit dissapointed that the murder has again these strange footprints that end in forest like in the previous book,
but I doubt it's gonna be like in the first book in the end. Thus, I'm hapy we got another mystery to solve.
Gonna continue this again tonight.
I'm expecting much from this one.
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Pierre wrote:
Certainly I can accept that within the writer's mind by twisting the characters and universe to fit their story a pairing can be 'passable' to them. I wouldn't agree because we're talking about something trying to be objectively 'passable' and it depends on the reader's views regarding the original characters to determine how much they have changed and whether they approve of it. My views on Vanellope and Ralph lead me to believe it's never 'passable' though I do harbour a certain disgust for the pairing in the first place.
Well, that's one of the main rules of shipping right there (and one I forgot to mention in my post): Everyone has their own perceptions of what "works." A sufficiently skilled author might be able to make a given pairing appeal to more people than it normally would, but no one is capable of making a pairing appeal to everyone.
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Fans of Gyakuten Saiban who can read Japanese should consider reading this by the way, as Takumi Shuu is a big fan of A Aiichirou and Awasaka in general.
But... how? :<
(is there a good japanese e-book site or anything?)
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Also, Meg Cabot went a really long way to get Suze and Jesse together in the end.
So instead I grabbed a book by John Grisham, The Firm. My mother read various of his books and enjoys them. And since they focus on a lawyer, how he works and deals with stuff, it sounds really interesting. Like Ace Attorney, only it makes sense.
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Besides that, I've been reading a couple of Fanfiction stories and a book about understanding the things we read (It was obligatory, I had to do some analysis on that book.).
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I hope the moral of that book is...
A) if FBI tells you your Firm is dangerous, don't go running back to your Firm and complain like a whiny little bitch that the big ol' FBI guy scared you. My god Mitch was an idiot for doing that.
B) don't trust a Firm that promises you tons of money, gives you a BMW, a house, encourages you to have sex and kids with your wife, takes over your student paymens you owe and merely asks you for complete loyalty in return.
On the side, I'm reading the Dragonball manga. Just about to end the fight with Vegeta, although the scanlation or manga reader here fucked up, every few chapters I get the first two pages, then I read the manga chapter backwards... I never read the manga really and I mostly watched the anime when it involved Teenager-Gohan, cause I thought he was hot. I remember some of the Cyborg Saga but not much of it...
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TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 wrote:
Lord of the Rings. I've been reading it for a couple months, but I'm a slow reader so I'm only about two chapters away from the end of the Fellowship of the Ring.
I wish you good luck, the second half of The Two Towers is so slow-paced and dull I couldn't finish it.
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Pierre wrote:
TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 wrote:
Lord of the Rings. I've been reading it for a couple months, but I'm a slow reader so I'm only about two chapters away from the end of the Fellowship of the Ring.
I wish you good luck, the second half of The Two Towers is so slow-paced and dull I couldn't finish it.
Much further than I.
I only managed to start the 3rd Chapter of the first book.
I gave up at that point. That book was just too boring.
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I have to say, though it may be due to it being far longer, I much preferred Charles Dexter Ward to The Call of Cthulhu. I'll see what the rest of these are like before saying anything definitively on where Cthulhu's story lies in the scale of "Lovecraft stories Hylian has read".
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Almost an anti-detective, as seen more often in Berkeley's detective, with multiple, totally plausible solutions to the same situation. Yet it never falls apart under its own deconstructing premise and definitely a must-read of the genre.
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Also one of the books that I really have to read with a book cover, because it's just too embarrassing to take the Kadokawa cover outside.
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Well I recently finished the giant Azumanga Daioh Omnibus. It was a great series overall and probably even better than the manga. I'm sure a lot of us could relate to the situations that these characters get into. With Watamote, Azumanga is possibly the gold standard of the "slice of life" genre (even though I absolutely hate that phrase).
I could probably just as easily wikipedia it, but oh well- what is the "slice of life" genre?
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TopHatProfessor1014 wrote:
Well I recently finished the giant Azumanga Daioh Omnibus. It was a great series overall and probably even better than the manga. I'm sure a lot of us could relate to the situations that these characters get into. With Watamote, Azumanga is possibly the gold standard of the "slice of life" genre (even though I absolutely hate that phrase).
I could probably just as easily wikipedia it, but oh well- what is the "slice of life" genre?
Slice of life refers to a character-driven drama that usually deals with high school and teenagers. It's very popular in manga and anime, but man do I hate the name.
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TopHatProfessor1014 wrote:
chief_skye4444 wrote:
TopHatProfessor1014 wrote:
Well I recently finished the giant Azumanga Daioh Omnibus. It was a great series overall and probably even better than the manga. I'm sure a lot of us could relate to the situations that these characters get into. With Watamote, Azumanga is possibly the gold standard of the "slice of life" genre (even though I absolutely hate that phrase).
I could probably just as easily wikipedia it, but oh well- what is the "slice of life" genre?
Slice of life refers to a character-driven drama that usually deals with high school and teenagers. It's very popular in manga and anime, but man do I hate the name.
yayyyy knowledge.
Thanks :) sounds like a real delight.
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yayyyy knowledge.
Thanks :) sounds like a real delight.
Thanks :) sounds like a real delight.
One that I particular recommend is the Watamote series. I can relate almost 100% to this series. The manga's great and the anime's a great adaption. The anime started last month and it's supposed to last 12 episodes. So far four have aired. I strongly encourage you to read/see it!
Manga:
http://www.mangareader.net/its-not-my-f ... -popular/1
Anime:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/watamote-no- ... bit-641805
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yayyyy knowledge.
Thanks :) sounds like a real delight.
Thanks :) sounds like a real delight.
One that I particular recommend is the Watamote series. I can relate almost 100% to this series. The manga's great and the anime's a great adaption. The anime started last month and it's supposed to last 12 episodes. So far four have aired. I strongly encourage you to read/see it!
Manga:
http://www.mangareader.net/its-not-my-f ... -popular/1
Anime:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/watamote-no- ... bit-641805
Hey, thanks for the link! Read the manga; I can't access the video from my current location, but hope to soon. I enjoyed it and appreciate the effort!
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Hey, thanks for the link! Read the manga; I can't access the video from my current location, but hope to soon. I enjoyed it and appreciate the effort!
Try this one instead.
http://www.phianimetv.info/watamote-episode-1/
Crunchyroll doesn't always work in some locations. If that doesn't work for you, there's plenty of other sites that I can link you to!
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The anime is also good but it isn't as long as the manga and I think it only covers up to an early volume. I forgot which volume exactly, but it isn't as long as the manga.
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