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True but part of me thinks that the loss of books would be a real shame for the world, writing and literature are one of humanities' gifts for the world, just sad to think we might be outdating it now.
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??? Gonna have to disagree with you there, man. As far as I can tell, the e-reader revolution's doing nothing other than getting people to read more than ever before.

Sure, I'm not very nice in terms of my 'borrowing' of e-books, but I'm a poor student (and do plan to buy every book I have read on my Kindle once I start full-time work, by the way) - the vast majority will pay (a cheaper fee, IIRC) for subscriptions to Amazon or whatever. Every day on my commute to/from University I see people carrying these beautiful devices everywhere. It's just so EASY to carry an e-reader around and read one of, like, several thousand books stored on the thing!

I certainly didn't take reading as seriously as I should have in the past, but my e-reader has made it impossible for me to justify NOT reading. Just my two cents.
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For the conversation thing, what is so bad about having less friends than other people? Wouldn't it be better to have a small circle of friends, with whom you know you can have some decent, intelligent and enjoyable conversation, rather than a wide circle of friends, where majority of people talk shit and you feel forced to zone yourself out of their talks to keep yourself from shouting at them that they are talking about senseless shit.

As for the e-Reader... I dunno, I don't like it. Maybe it's cause I'm old-fashioned in that regard, but I do enjoy a book. Plus, I am absolutely paranoid with my electronics like handhelds and such. I would never take an e-Reader to the pool or with me into the bathtub, cause I like to read when I'm taking a bath. Too terrified that it might slip and get wet.

Yeah, it does bother me when I get my book wet, but at least I know that it will dry eventually and still be readable, even if the papers are rather... swollen then. Better than getting an e-Reader wet and it breaking, meaning I basically have to waste my money to get another one.

Plus.... there's something satifiying about the heavy weight of a book in your bag.

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??? Gonna have to disagree with you there, man. As far as I can tell, the e-reader revolution's doing nothing other than getting people to read more than ever before.


Definitely agree with you there. The convenience of having a library in your bag instead of just one book, or a load of books weighing you down, is great. I don't read books all that often so I don't have an e-reader, but I like the option of just going into my bag for my iPad whenever I fancy reading something.
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I'm mostly with Pierre on this.

E-readers work well on a personal level. If you can keep it charged up, it's much more convenient to carry around one tablet than it is a half-dozen paperbacks.

But... as someone with a stake in this, now that people can have a veritable library at their fingertips, what does that mean for actual libraries? Where does the publisher's revenue come from? Physical library books wear out, and more copies need to be purchased. A digital copy can be sent out as multiple copies, with no "returns", and no expiration date. Will publishers have to start applying arbitrary fees on library ebooks in order to maintain some semblance of status quo?

I'm not against the spread of information, or anything that encourages reading, but the future of the public library is deeply uncertain. Young people don't need the library for research anymore, and now it's getting to be that even books are data on an electronic screen. The only group of people that still sees the value of the library are those that are too poor, or otherwise disadvantaged, to afford or work that technology, and though I'm loath to say it, more than that is needed to stay relevant.

... And call me old-fashioned, but I prefer physical books. The way books feel, and smell... it's a different experience. Perhaps I'm wrong, and one day I'll need to live in the modern world, but the information contained in a machine seems so much more fleeting, somehow. The acquisition and preservation of knowledge should be something tangible.

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I'm mostly with Pierre on this.

... And call me old-fashioned, but I prefer physical books. The way books feel, and smell... it's a different experience. Perhaps I'm wrong, and one day I'll need to live in the modern world, but the information contained in a machine seems so much more fleeting, somehow. The acquisition and preservation of knowledge should be something tangible.

(That's enough of a vent to belong in the vent thread, isn't it?)


This is the most of my argument, there's just something magical about paper no? Symbolically and actually, ancient scrolls, spellbooks, tomes of knowledge, codes of honour, doctrines, philosophies. There's history in paper, true magic not the cold hard digital kind.

Plus the original reason I suggested carrying a book is as a final backup as something that doesn't need charged all the time.
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This might just be me (being in high school yet) but is anyone else bothered when school/work filters out just about every website in existence?
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This might just be me (being in high school yet) but is anyone else bothered when school/work filters out just about every website in existence?


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For the conversation thing, what is so bad about having less friends than other people? Wouldn't it be better to have a small circle of friends, with whom you know you can have some decent, intelligent and enjoyable conversation, rather than a wide circle of friends, where majority of people talk shit and you feel forced to zone yourself out of their talks to keep yourself from shouting at them that they are talking about senseless shit.

The thing is pretty much everyone in my relatively small group of friends has their own other circles of friends, and I'm the only one who doesn't...so there's a jealousy aspect to it. :viola: I guess I'd reconsider the value of other friends' social circles if their conversations were as banal as the one I witnessed in KFC yesterday.

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As for the e-Reader... I dunno, I don't like it. Maybe it's cause I'm old-fashioned in that regard, but I do enjoy a book. Plus, I am absolutely paranoid with my electronics like handhelds and such. I would never take an e-Reader to the pool or with me into the bathtub, cause I like to read when I'm taking a bath. Too terrified that it might slip and get wet.

That makes sense...I guess...

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I'm not against the spread of information, or anything that encourages reading, but the future of the public library is deeply uncertain. Young people don't need the library for research anymore, and now it's getting to be that even books are data on an electronic screen. The only group of people that still sees the value of the library are those that are too poor, or otherwise disadvantaged, to afford or work that technology, and though I'm loath to say it, more than that is needed to stay relevant.

I'm not sure how many people use public libraries at all anymore, but you have a valid point with regards to the poor...hopefully soon enough the price of e-readers will drop to a point where pretty much everyone can afford them. In that case, if public libraries have to close up shop permanently, so be it.

I can't exactly argue against sentimentality with regards to the 'feel and smell' of books, so whatever floats your boat I guess (Personally, I love not experiencing papercuts anymore...).
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I would still use the one close to my home, but since my library card expired years ago and getting a new one would require a tri-monthly fee, I'd rather not.

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Paying for a public library subscription? Doesn't that defeat the point of public libraries?
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Paying for a public library subscription? Doesn't that defeat the point of public libraries?


No, to be able to "rent" books or take them from a library you needed a card. And I think it was the card that cost. But to be honest, it has been years, so it's possible I forget details by now.

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Paying for a public library subscription? Doesn't that defeat the point of public libraries?


Its been a long time since I been to a public library and I don't remember ever paying for a subscription. Then again I actually still owe library money. :sillytrucy:
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When you guys were talking about E-Readers, I thought you meant the crappy Game Boy Advance peripheral. Thank goodness you weren't.
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I'm not sure how many people use public libraries at all anymore


It can depend. Over in my hometown, the public library has been gaining in popularity; though to be fair, they have kept up with technological demands (computers, students typing reports, researching for projects and/or surfing the web), offer more than just books for checking out (DVD movies, books on tape, etc... though some of these items require money to check out), and there are monthly events for people of all ages (cooking, sewing, book-themed parties, special movie viewings and so on).

Even over the summer break, it wasn't unusual to see the library swarming with kids ranging from ages 5 to 17, and plenty of adults.
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When you guys were talking about E-Readers, I thought you meant the crappy Game Boy Advance peripheral. Thank goodness you weren't.


Hahahahhaha that was the best thing I've read today. :redd:

I remember being sad that I didn't have one of those when I played Animal Crossing on the GC. I wanted to know what it did if I connected a GBA.
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HEY DON'T YOU LOVE IT WHEN A COLLEAGUE IS SO HOPELESS SHE GETS BANNED FROM MOST OF HER DUTIES FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS SO YOU AND YOUR OTHER COLLEAGUES HAVE TO DO HER WORK FOR HER WHILE SHE JUST HAS TO DO THE EASY STUFF BUT SHE STILL GETS PAID THE SAME AS YOU HA HA HA HA HA HA


H-How can someone get banned from their own work and still get paid? What...what happened? :udgey:
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That's just bad contract. Then again, any worker who willingly comes into work piss-drunk should be fired. Actually, she should already be suspended for coming into work in a state that incapacitates her full potential at work and it is, as you point out, actually endangering patients.

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Louise wrote:
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HEY DON'T YOU LOVE IT WHEN A COLLEAGUE IS SO HOPELESS SHE GETS BANNED FROM MOST OF HER DUTIES FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS SO YOU AND YOUR OTHER COLLEAGUES HAVE TO DO HER WORK FOR HER WHILE SHE JUST HAS TO DO THE EASY STUFF BUT SHE STILL GETS PAID THE SAME AS YOU HA HA HA HA HA HA


H-How can someone get banned from their own work and still get paid? What...what happened? :udgey:


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She comes into worked still pissed from the night before so all she's bothered about is when she can go get some food, and that means she's not paying attention to the work and just keeps making mistakes that can eventually just be dangerous for patients.

She's still at work but doing the stuff that requires no brains. She's basically one step away from suspension, which she'd probably like because if you get suspended that's 3 months off work and you still get FULL PAY :meekins:


Oh lord XP That sounds really awful. If she made an awful mistake and someone died from it she'd probably get sued as well I imagine. You'd think folks would take care in a medical position. My girlfriend often has the same trouble, staff members come in utterly drunk and can't do anything right other than curl up in the corner and focus on when they are going home.

Wish folks would just take a recovery day off, that way the shift doesn't suffer at all and you don't need to put up with folks groaning about how they feel awful :ron:
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And yes a day off sick would be much more preferable to coming in and doing everything wrong. On Christmas eve she didn't come to work until 12:30 because the police pulled her over and she was over the limit and spent all morning in the cells :gregory:

...how on Earth does she still have the job?!
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And yes a day off sick would be much more preferable to coming in and doing everything wrong. On Christmas eve she didn't come to work until 12:30 because the police pulled her over and she was over the limit and spent all morning in the cells :gregory:

...how on Earth does she still have the job?!


Thats what I would love to know :grey:. Maybe the boss is a very good friend or some sort of family member
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Seems possible. Then again, if your supervisors do not suspend or outright fire her after coming in hung over, AFTER being pulled in by the police for being drunk (then again, the alcohol limit for driving is pretty low from what I know...) and doing mistakes that could cause harm to patients... it's either blackmail or she's literally screwing her way to keep the job.

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Frig knows now she still has the job! It seems like the only way she'll get sacked is if she actually causes a death -_-

She's not friends with or related to anyone there, a few of us have joked that she has some big thing she's blackmailing them all with though hahaha..

Even though that's a joke, I wouldn't put it past me if it were true because from what you say she should have already lost her job. :ron:
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My small vent of the days.

Man, I hate when I pass an order on the internet and the very next week they receive a whole new stock of what you wanted, but didn't had the week before! I think the worse part is that my order wasn't send yet, but already paid, and their costumer service is incredibly slow...
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Hmm I don't vent much but I feel it's justified tonight.

So I've been given a one-week suspension from work starting the week after next (starts 27th). My boss sighed and said he really didn't want to give me it and knows it's not especially fair as I'm one of the best workers in the shop but he has to treat everyone fairly.

So I was in once this week on Wednesday and there was a notice up about a staff meeting this morning (Saturday). I remember seeing it but I know my thought patterns. I probably glanced at it in passing, thought "hmm I should take a note of that at the end of the shift but work for now" then as time ran short I ran for the bus and forgot all about the meeting.

Then days pass and I obliviously walk into work only to go into the office where rather guilty-looking managers cringingly decide to punish me because everyone else is.

I don't mind punishment, I agree it's fair to punish everyone the same but I think the punishment doesn't fit the crime so to speak. A week suspension is fitting for a repeat or severe offender, not missing a meeting. :ron:

I think their mindset is that it'll deter anyone from forgetting again but...you can't really help forgetting.
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That does seem a bit... intense for forgetting something.

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Yep cut my month's wages by a quarter and I was hardly in to see the note as it was :ron:

I don't even know why, I've known the manager for 5 years now it's an extreme response. Kinda hoping he was just in a sour mood and might reconsider in the next few days. Otherwise well...I'm really going to have to hope I can find some means of entertainment that week otherwise it's just sitting around the house hating everything xP.
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My house was flooded the other day. I have to live in my parent's house until everything's fixed up. Thankfully, I was able to take my video games and consoles and none of them were damaged. Being unable to go back into my own house until it's fixed still sucks, though.
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My house was flooded the other day. I have to live in my parent's house until everything's fixed up. Thankfully, I was able to take my video games and consoles and none of them were damaged. Being unable to go back into my own house until it's fixed still sucks, though.


That's a pretty amazing save on the valuable tech there, how did you manage it?
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The water was up to thigh level, and all my games and consoles were up on a desk, above the floor, where the water couldn't reach them. At least, I think that's why nothing was damaged.
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The water was up to thigh level, and all my games and consoles were up on a desk, above the floor, where the water couldn't reach them. At least, I think that's why nothing was damaged.


There's me always thinking not to put Tech too high up in case the shelf gives way or something XD.
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Hmm I don't vent much but I feel it's justified tonight.

So I've been given a one-week suspension from work starting the week after next (starts 27th). My boss sighed and said he really didn't want to give me it and knows it's not especially fair as I'm one of the best workers in the shop but he has to treat everyone fairly.

So I was in once this week on Wednesday and there was a notice up about a staff meeting this morning (Saturday). I remember seeing it but I know my thought patterns. I probably glanced at it in passing, thought "hmm I should take a note of that at the end of the shift but work for now" then as time ran short I ran for the bus and forgot all about the meeting.

Then days pass and I obliviously walk into work only to go into the office where rather guilty-looking managers cringingly decide to punish me because everyone else is.

I don't mind punishment, I agree it's fair to punish everyone the same but I think the punishment doesn't fit the crime so to speak. A week suspension is fitting for a repeat or severe offender, not missing a meeting. :ron:

I think their mindset is that it'll deter anyone from forgetting again but...you can't really help forgetting.


That's kinda weird. And if it was so important, why did they not text you to remind you or something. Not surprising you'd forget something like that if you saw it briefly on a notice board :yogi:


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Mom pissed at me, again, cause I have no job. Yes! I know that you have to pay 150€ a month for my insurance, because I do not have a job that pays it for me. Oh what, it's not the finances that bothers you, it's the fact that I'm at home in my bathrobe? Well what the fuck else am I supposed to when I'm not sending applications or getting an interview that doesn't go anywhere!?

Oh sure, I was annoyed that Andrew, her old lover, was at home a lot in his bathrobe. But I was complaining about the fact that he wasn't wearing anything underneath that damn thing! At least I am fully dressed when I have the bathrobe on to keep warm!

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Mom pissed at me, again, cause I have no job. Yes! I know that you have to pay 150€ a month for my insurance, because I do not have a job that pays it for me. Oh what, it's not the finances that bothers you, it's the fact that I'm at home in my bathrobe? Well what the fuck else am I supposed to when I'm not sending applications or getting an interview that doesn't go anywhere!?

Oh sure, I was annoyed that Andrew, her old lover, was at home a lot in his bathrobe. But I was complaining about the fact that he wasn't wearing anything underneath that damn thing! At least I am fully dressed when I have the bathrobe on to keep warm!

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I know how that feels, but it abit different for me. I've had a lot of temp jobs but my father always still complains no matter what I do. What you should do is when you're not sending applications you should go outside and try to scout around different places to see what stores or places are hiring even if it is the most menial job.
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What you should do is when you're not sending applications you should go outside and try to scout around different places to see what stores or places are hiring even if it is the most menial job.


That's what I do before sending some applications. I go outside, see what place may be hiring, usually grab food on my way home and then send applications to them when I'm home. Other times, I look via internet for places.

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