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BTW, how do you make normal text into a link so you don't have to see that overly long URL? I want to make it so if you click the words "This article", it links you to the article. I've seen other posters do it, and I want to know how to do it myself.


Click the URL button. At the first [URL], add a = and the link. [URL=(overlylonglink.de)] the words (second URL button) and it should highlight just the words you want.

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You know what really grinds my gears? All these Islamophobes who demand to see condemnations of such practices as "honor" killings and terrorism. Google is your friend. Is it that hard to look up "fatwa against honor killing" or "fatwa against terrorism" or "Muslims denounce terrorism" and look at a few of the results that come up? Muslims have condemned and continue to condemn these acts. It's not their fault their words never make it to the front page.

Heck, while we're at it, let's extend this problem to just about any self-centered imbecile who makes unsubstantiated claims about a group and then never bothers to see if his/her claims are actually accurate. I've seen this kind of behavior toward just about everyone, but Muslims are the first group that come to mind in my case. I've seen people treating all Christians as though they're "agree with me or you'll burn" fundamentalists, I've seen people treating all atheists as though they're amoral nihilists who place no value on the lives of others, I've seen people treating LGBT people as though they're all obsessed with sex acts that most people consider inappropriate... And you know what all these imbeciles have in common? They never search for examples of people that don't fit that stereotype.

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You know what really grinds my gears? All these Islamophobes who demand to see condemnations of such practices as "honor" killings and terrorism. Google is your friend. Is it that hard to look up "fatwa against honor killing" or "fatwa against terrorism" or "Muslims denounce terrorism" and look at a few of the results that come up? Muslims have condemned and continue to condemn these acts. It's not their fault their words never make it to the front page.

Heck, while we're at it, let's extend this problem to just about any self-centered imbecile who makes unsubstantiated claims about a group and then never bothers to see if his/her claims are actually accurate. I've seen this kind of behavior toward just about everyone, but Muslims are the first group that come to mind. I've seen people treating all Christians as though they're "agree with me or you'll burn" fundamentalists, I've seen people treating all atheists as though they're amoral nihilists who place no value on the lives of others, I've seen people treating LGBT people as though they're all obsessed with sex acts that most people consider inappropriate... And you know what all these imbeciles have in common? They never search for examples of people that don't fit that stereotype.

If you don't hear what someone said, that's not your fault. If you don't listen to what they say, it is your fault.


That's just people generalizing, and it's been done ever since man could speak. Right now with this whole Elliot Rodger shooting, these stupid feminists are calling all men misogynistic and hateful of women. This is ONE fucking guy! ONE guy who had problems with his life, mental issues, and was misogynistic all on his own! Just reading what he wrote will make your skin crawl. No sane person thinks the way he did.

In regards to the Muslims, it's because the radicals of the group speak the loudest. And unfortunately, its their ideologies that drive them to do the horrific acts they do. This is why I'm no fan of religion, because in the hands of certain people, it can lead to awful things. But as long as you don't forcibly try to get people to believe in your ideology or kill those that disagree, I don't really have a problem.
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Well, of course it's people generalizing. Heck, one of the fallacies behind this kind of behavior is known as the "hasty generalization." What bugs me is when these people outright ask for evidence that it's not as they claim, yet never bother to actually see if even a quick Google search will yield the evidence they claim to want.
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That's just people generalizing

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these stupid feminists are calling all men misogynistic and hateful of women.


You're doing the exact same thing though?
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these stupid feminists are calling all men misogynistic and hateful of women.


You're doing the exact same thing though?

Professor, it is worth pointing out that "feminism" is a rather broad term. There are some who fit the description you gave, but the term can also easily be applied to those who simply desire equality between the sexes and bear no ill will toward men as a whole.
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these stupid feminists are calling all men misogynistic and hateful of women.


You're doing the exact same thing though?

Professor, it is worth pointing out that "feminism" is a rather broad term. There are some who fit the description you gave, but the term can also easily be applied to those who simply desire equality between the sexes and bear no ill will toward men as a whole.


I would go even further and say that those he described are a radical fringe element comparable to the Muslim radicals he mentioned in his post.
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these stupid feminists are calling all men misogynistic and hateful of women.


You're doing the exact same thing though?

Professor, it is worth pointing out that "feminism" is a rather broad term. There are some who fit the description you gave, but the term can also easily be applied to those who simply desire equality between the sexes and bear no ill will toward men as a whole.

In my opinion, 'feminism' doesn't really apply to the bolded case here. That part would be better described as a 'humanism' ideology.
If you break it into its different parts, the word 'feminism' really would refer to treating women better. :ron: As such, I don't truly support 'feminism', or any sort of 'men's rights' movement. I think of myself as a 'humanist.'

...Of course, this is all my opinion. Just thought I'd throw my two cents into the conversation.
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In my opinion, 'feminism' doesn't really apply to the bolded case here. That part would be better described as a 'humanism' ideology.
If you break it into its different parts, the word 'feminism' really would refer to treating women better. :ron: As such, I don't truly support 'feminism', or any sort of 'men's rights' movement. I think of myself as a 'humanist.'

...Of course, this is all my opinion. Just thought I'd throw my two cents into the conversation.

I hear this so often. And it's wrong. Just read the definition of feminism here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism it's like, the first paragraph. It's an equality movement, and lots of men, myself included, consider themselves feminists.

Edit: I should point out that like two years ago, I thought exactly the same thing, right down to the "let's call it humanism" thing. Except then I did some reading and research, and talked to actual feminists and now I feel like I was stupid for ever thinking that.
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I think that's part of a very common problem, Mr. Swift. Words used to describe movements often get used by so many different sub-groups within the movement that it becomes possible for two people to mean two entirely different things when using the same word. I see it all the time with "liberal," "socialist," "conservative," and the like.
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The feminists that I'm referring to are mostly the feminazis on Tumblr and in real life who think that all men are oppressive and misogynistic pigs.

Either way, REAL feminism, that is the movements of the 19th and 20th centuries, are all but lost in the modern day. If such practices were applied to the Middle East or third world countries, than I'd be in full support of it. But the feminists in America have got their ideals completely backwards.

I'm not for men's rights and I'm not for women's rights either. I'm for human and individual rights. I believe that gender, religion, and race should have no impact on a person's place in the real world. No one should be judged from the background they come from, nor the circumstances they were born with. It's a lofty goal for sure, but I still define myself as being secular humanist in this regard. Things are certainly much better now in the West than they were generations ago.
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I believe that gender should have no impact on a person's place in the real world. No one should be judged from the background they come from, nor the circumstances they were born with.

To quote the meme, congratulations, you're a feminist.
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I believe that gender should have no impact on a person's place in the real world. No one should be judged from the background they come from, nor the circumstances they were born with.

To quote the meme, congratulations, you're a feminist.


Nope, secular humanist. I don't define feminism that way. Here's the dictionary definition.

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the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.


My views go beyond gender issues, I'm talking about HUMAN ISSUES. There's a large difference in scale and definition with how I think compared to feminism.
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The feminists that I'm referring to are mostly the feminazis on Tumblr and in real life who think that all men are oppressive and misogynistic pigs.


That still is likely a minority. A very vocal one, but hey, you get those in everything.

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You talk like the two are mutually exclusive. They're clearly not. I don't see why feminism wouldn't be part of whatever "secular humanism" is.
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You talk like the two are mutually exclusive. They're clearly not. I don't see why feminism wouldn't be part of whatever "secular humanism" is.


Secular humanism goes beyond feminism. To me, feminism is too small.
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You talk like the two are mutually exclusive. They're clearly not. I don't see why feminism wouldn't be part of whatever "secular humanism" is.


Secular humanism goes beyond feminism. To me, feminism is too small.


But everyone knows what feminism is and it has produced concrete results, whereas I've literally never heard of secular humanism before. So how is it too small?
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You know what really grinds my gears? All these stories in manga, videogames, tv series or movies, always having the moral of Friendship and Teamwork.

I'm not denying that either of those can be helpful, a good friendship can be an emotional support and some things are more difficult to do without teamwork. But this being shoved constantly in my face all over the place is just annoying, because it makes it sound like people are incapable of doing anything on their own. Like they need another person, otherwise they can't do shit.

Example, Kuroko no Basket - I kinda agree, fuck trying to play with the entire team against one where only one player is close to their skill, if one guy can point enough to win, let him! A Sailor Moon SuperS episode revolved around a kid that was trying to make a flying bicycle (or something like that) and he initially worked on his own on it, but at the end of the episode, he manages to do it with another boy helping him. Where's the sense of accomplishment of fulfilling one's dream if the entire victory isn't yours? How can someone be proud of themselves if they had help achieving something?

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I sort of agree with you. Contributing to something isn't as impressive as pulling it off single-handedly, nor would I be as proud of it in such a case. I also agree that it is annoying when the whole "teamwork" theme is hammered home so much that it breaks the hammer. That said, maybe it's different with you, but I can still derive some sense of accomplishment from getting something done with the help of others. I do find the whole "don't go it alone" theme annoying when you actually can go it alone, but I also find it annoying when needing help is portrayed as a bad thing; I feel it tacitly calls people weak for being unable to get something done on their own. Better to get something done with help from others than to go it alone and fail.
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I agree and disagree. I think it would make more sense if they tried to someone that they need teamwork/friendship and the character tried and failed on his own, but then later succeeded with help - to show that, yes, sometimes things can't be done without someone helping you (emotionally or physically or any other way) but that just because someone says "You need my help" they should roll over and immediately accept it.
It would be cool to see a character do things on his own and achieve things. Has a bigger impression and isn't done all the time. At least, not in what I've seen.

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Those are pretty much my feelings on the matter. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I have a history of being offered help, rejecting it, and then performing poorly at the task I was offered help on, so I am a bit sensitive to anything that implicitly says someone is weak for needing (or wanting) help.
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I think it's just a matter of realism. Man is limited in his capacity to do things, therefore mankind works together to accomplish mutual goals. Doing things alone is something that is shown in characters, though sometimes in a negative light, but I think it's just flat out unrealistic at this point and therefore not a good message to send. If it's encouraged too much then people will find themselves extremely limited by their options, yes their sense of accomplishment and pride might be greater but it might be harder or even impossible to achieve without outside influence.

The accomplishment itself should be more important than the pride and satisfaction we gain from it. If that means working with others to achieve it then so be it. Networking and teamwork are good traits to have as well and someone can be strong for having them.

Of course going too far in the other direction is a bad way to think as well, individuals do require some inner strength and not everything will be done for them in life but as we've developed into a society that is so interdependent on each other I think it's good how shows encourage teamwork and combining efforts. If you want pride in accomplishing something small take up carpentry or make models or something but for actual practical purposes teamwork is an important skill to advertise.
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You talk like the two are mutually exclusive. They're clearly not. I don't see why feminism wouldn't be part of whatever "secular humanism" is.


Secular humanism goes beyond feminism. To me, feminism is too small.


But everyone knows what feminism is and it has produced concrete results, whereas I've literally never heard of secular humanism before. So how is it too small?


Feminism only did things for women when they were actually being denied things like voting rights. I'm not denying its success in previous generations, but the feminism today is not what it was before.

Secular humanism goes beyond just "women's rights." Feminism only focuses on women. Humanism is about improving the lives of everyone.

As for what it's done, you see it every day even if you don't know it by name. Any good deed someone does for you is humanistic. Holding doors, picking up dropped items, helping you with work, etc. All those little things are humanism. This is also an a huge scale too. "Humanitarian efforts" even has the word inside of it. Charitable acts, helping after natural disasters, attending fundraisers, all of this. It's all for your fellow men and women.

Such acts transcend gender, race, or creed. It's all about working for EVERYONE. Now do you see why I view secular humanism to be greater than feminism?
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I understand that, Pierre, but repeatedly being shoved the message into my face that "You need to rely on others" to do something or "This isn't teamwork!" and "But we're your friends and we'll stick with you" is annoying, especially if it's done to a character who was rather hotheaded at first, but otherwise accomplished while doing things alone. It ruins the character and turns them from the "I can do this!" type into the "I must remember my friends...!" type which... can get pretty Out of Character, even if it happens in the manga drawn by the creator themselves.

It's like their spitting on their own character they made and turn them into the other bland stereotype. As I said, yes, some things can't be done without the help of others. But a ton of things can be done without relying or probably even thinking of other people. For example, my mother painted and redecorated the hallway for the last two days. She had help in terms of her lover, which is great. But she could've done it on her own, too, although it probably would've taken longer. And that's the difference in most such cases - something you do on your own may take longer, but the satisfaction is higher.

I cleaned and re-arranged my room a few weeks ago. I was in agony for two days because of all the dust flying around, I was exhausted and frustrated, but once I finished, I felt good over having it done all by myself. Sure I could've asked for some help, but I didn't cause this was my thing and I knew I could do it.

Just let manga and such back off a bit with this message. People can do things on their own and it isn't a bad thing to do.
Where's the main character who does things on their own without worrying about friends or other people...?

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Feminism only did things for women when they were actually being denied things like voting rights. I'm not denying its success in previous generations, but the feminism today is not what it was before.

Secular humanism goes beyond just "women's rights." Feminism only focuses on women. Humanism is about improving the lives of everyone.

As for what it's done, you see it every day even if you don't know it by name. Any good deed someone does for you is humanistic. Holding doors, picking up dropped items, helping you with work, etc. All those little things are humanism. This is also an a huge scale too. "Humanitarian efforts" even has the word inside of it. Charitable acts, helping after natural disasters, attending fundraisers, all of this. It's all for your fellow men and women.

Such acts transcend gender, race, or creed. It's all about working for EVERYONE. Now do you see why I view secular humanism to be greater than feminism?


So it's basically an acts of kindness thing? Feminism is a political movement, trying to get laws changed and such. And on the social side, trying to abolish gender roles and demonstrate that gender is a social construct. It seems naive to think that feminism does nothing nowadays. Women are still considered the default child carer and housekeeper in a relationship. They're still seen as weaker, they're still restricted in the professional world by the glass ceiling. And that's without mentioning awful things like rape culture. Feminism is still a political and social necessity and the fact that secular humanism seems to be more of a philosophy than a political movement, especially based on the use of the word secular, I really don't see how the two are comparable or that you have to choose one over the other.
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I understand that, Pierre, but repeatedly being shoved the message into my face that "You need to rely on others" to do something or "This isn't teamwork!" and "But we're your friends and we'll stick with you" is annoying, especially if it's done to a character who was rather hotheaded at first, but otherwise accomplished while doing things alone. It ruins the character and turns them from the "I can do this!" type into the "I must remember my friends...!" type which... can get pretty Out of Character, even if it happens in the manga drawn by the creator themselves.

It's like their spitting on their own character they made and turn them into the other bland stereotype. As I said, yes, some things can't be done without the help of others. But a ton of things can be done without relying or probably even thinking of other people. For example, my mother painted and redecorated the hallway for the last two days. She had help in terms of her lover, which is great. But she could've done it on her own, too, although it probably would've taken longer. And that's the difference in most such cases - something you do on your own may take longer, but the satisfaction is higher.

I cleaned and re-arranged my room a few weeks ago. I was in agony for two days because of all the dust flying around, I was exhausted and frustrated, but once I finished, I felt good over having it done all by myself. Sure I could've asked for some help, but I didn't cause this was my thing and I knew I could do it.

Just let manga and such back off a bit with this message. People can do things on their own and it isn't a bad thing to do.
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If they do to the point where they break a character out of their ''emo loner" phase then sure it's probably not very well handled but it also sounds like it's for kids at that point in which case it's still carrying a good message. I think Cloud from Final Fantasy 7 actually had a good arc for learning to accept others where his character became friendlier and engaged with others without preaching that "friendship is the hope of the universe" or something like that. The message is important, if it's a kids show it might be done a little heavy-handedly but hell it's still a good message.

Also in your example I think it's heavily subjective. For one thing its an example from you so it's heavily biased and anything I ask you you can simply change to suit your needs.

For example it's perfectly valid for me to say "Yes I had to paint my room and I had some help with it, it was satisfying to do the job together with a friend as they were good company and we sat down and played afterwards as we got it done in half the time".

It's not a guaranteed thing, the satisfaction is subjective, some people might be like "Wow I saved so much time thanks!" or "God that was a pain I'm just going to ask someone to help next time". Can you honestly speak for your mother and say she felt the experience was diminished in having her lover there to help her? People can be proud of what they can achieve as a team.

In my opinion, the sense of achievement should increase proportionally to the difficulty of the task and the expectations of others as to whether you can accomplish them or not. Picking up a piece of litter to put in the bin? Not really a problem. Tidying the room? A minor thing that everyone has to do. Beating a game 100% without looking up a guide or anything? Yeah that's pretty good.

Your philosophy stands true for some things but for practical purposes it's just detrimental to every day life if people shun others and try and pursue glory themselves.
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So it's basically an acts of kindness thing? Feminism is a political movement, trying to get laws changed and such. And on the social side, trying to abolish gender roles and demonstrate that gender is a social construct. It seems naive to think that feminism does nothing nowadays. Women are still considered the default child carer and housekeeper in a relationship. They're still seen as weaker, they're still restricted in the professional world by the glass ceiling. And that's without mentioning awful things like rape culture. Feminism is still a political and social necessity and the fact that secular humanism seems to be more of a philosophy than a political movement, especially based on the use of the word secular, I really don't see how the two are comparable or that you have to choose one over the other.


Nope, nope, nope. You're still missing the point and thinking too small. Humanism is a worldwide movement that's supposed to apply to EVERYONE. NOT JUST WOMEN. The secular part just means that religion doesn't matter with this worldview.

You know, sexism against men exists too and I've been a victim of it. I was wrongfully suspended from school after two girls said that I threatened to rape them. The school took their word against mine, and I had to suffer from that. All just because they were female, and I was male. This happens all the time in real life. If a woman accuses a man of rape, that man's life is screwed. This is something that destroys lives, and even if you're found innocent, the stigma attached to you still remains. This is also why I don't believe in rape culture either. This video does a good job of explaining it.
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The feminists don't care about wrongful accusations. In fact, they want MORE men to go to jail regardless of innocence. And on the topic of sexism against men, there's plenty of more examples. Women aren't part of the draft. In child custody cases, many courts will rule in favor of the woman when that's not always the best option. Breast cancer gets tons of publicity and events, yet male diseases like prostate cancer get nowhere near as much coverage. Hell, men also get breast cancer too, and that's not even taken as seriously as it should.

Domestic abuse again men is also a large problem, but due to the social stigma attached to it and the fact that many of these crimes are dismissed or not reported, it doesn't get nearly as much attention as domestic abuse against women. Men get hurt, men get raped, and men get traumatized. My own girlfriend who left me six weeks ago emotionally traumatized me. After everything I've been through, you can't tell me that men can't experience the same things that are supposedly exclusive towards women.

Feminism doesn't solve any of these problems. It also doesn't solve war, poverty, or hunger. That's why secular humanism is the most well-rounded and encompassing approach to dealing with such issues in my view.
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That's the main thing. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it's likely to happen a ton more than it may seem, but I don't think the not reporting has anything to do with feminism. I think it has more to do with male pride - I can't think of many men who would willingly admit that they got "beat up by a chick". It's one reason of why it's not widely known, but a reason nonetheless.

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Feminism is not about persecuting men, Professor; anyone who uses the concept as a justification for such things is a hypocrite and does the movement a disservice. I don't deny that there are people who try to play the "women are victims" card in order to harm men, but these people are no more representative of feminists than Scott Roeder is representative of the anti-abortion movement. I am in full support of raising awareness of such things as what happened to you, but only in such a way that does not brand feminism as a movement hostile toward men, because that is not the goal of the feminist movement.
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That's the main thing. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it's likely to happen a ton more than it may seem, but I don't think the not reporting has anything to do with feminism. I think it has more to do with male pride - I can't think of many men who would willingly admit that they got "beat up by a chick". It's one reason of why it's not widely known, but a reason nonetheless.

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No, but it's reinforcing the gender roles that it's alright for women to be horrible to men, but not vice-versa.

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Feminism is not about persecuting men, Professor; anyone who uses the concept as a justification for such things is a hypocrite and does the movement a disservice. I don't deny that there are people who try to play the "women are victims" card in order to harm men, but these people are no more representative of feminists than Scott Roeder is representative of the anti-abortion movement. I am in full support of raising awareness of such things as what happened to you, but only in such a way that does not brand feminism as a movement hostile toward men, because that is not the goal of the feminist movement.


You misunderstand me. I'm not saying that feminism is the cause of these problems. I'm saying that it's apathetic twoards and ignores these issues. The majority of feminists go on and on to say how women are oppressed. But as soon as you bring up sexism and discrimination towards men, they try to disregard it. That's why I don't support feminism. It's too narrow-minded and only focuses on one group. These are HUMAN issues that need to be addressed.
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I think you're the one who misunderstands, Professor. Feminism might be specifically dedicated to equality for women, but that doesn't mean feminists are obligated to turn a blind eye to those who would pervert the movement's ideals. If I believed that that were the case, I would not use the word "feminist" to describe myself. Does it focus on one specific problem rather than all problems? Yes, but its doing so is not the same as insisting the other problems are nonexistent or not worth addressing. There are a large number of problems in society. Wanting to focus on one in particular is not the same as saying that said problem is the only one that needs addressing.
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I think you're the one who misunderstands, Professor. Feminism might be specifically dedicated to equality for women, but that doesn't mean feminists are obligated to turn a blind eye to those who would pervert the movement's ideals. If I believed that that were the case, I would not use the word "feminist" to describe myself. Does it focus on one specific problem rather than all problems? Yes, but its doing so is not the same as insisting the other problems are nonexistent or not worth addressing. There are a large number of problems in society. Wanting to focus on one in particular is not the same as saying that said problem is the only one that needs addressing.

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I think you're the one who misunderstands, Professor. Feminism might be specifically dedicated to equality for women, but that doesn't mean feminists are obligated to turn a blind eye to those who would pervert the movement's ideals. If I believed that that were the case, I would not use the word "feminist" to describe myself. Does it focus on one specific problem rather than all problems? Yes, but its doing so is not the same as insisting the other problems are nonexistent or not worth addressing. There are a large number of problems in society. Wanting to focus on one in particular is not the same as saying that said problem is the only one that needs addressing.


So you're telling me that no problems face men and that what happened to me doesn't matter? If you're talking about gender issues, how can you not address the sexism that men go through? I was seriously hurt and traumatized by this. If you want to let things like this happen to other men and not do anything, fine. But I will never call myself a feminist after what I've been through. Time and time again, I've seen that feminists just use the same double standards. They act like women are oppressed, but don't care when men go through the same difficult problems. It's nothing short of hypocritical in my opinion.
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Professor, please read over what I said again. Where and when did I claim I wanted to turn a blind eye to mistreatment of men? I am fully aware of the problems that face men and believe they should also be addressed. At present, I consider the problems facing women to be more serious, but that does not mean I am ignorant of or unwilling to acknowledge such problems as false rape accusations and other misuses of the "women are victims" card.
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Professor, please read over what I said again. Where and when did I claim I wanted to turn a blind eye to mistreatment of men? I am fully aware of the problems that face men and believe they should also be addressed. At present, I consider the problems facing women to be more serious, but that does not mean I am ignorant of or unwilling to acknowledge such problems as false rape accusations and other misuses of the "women are victims" card.


More serious!? More serious!? Who the hell are you to decide that?

It's thinking like that which continues the sexism against men and why I view feminism to be so narrow-minded. Secular humanism is equal rights for everyone and with equal importance. All feminism does is focus on the issues with women, while losing focus on other problems against other groups.

As long as people like you say that women's issues are more important than anyone else's problems, what happened to me will only happen time and time again. And for a lot of men, they face even worse situations than I did.
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If you don't want controversial subjects being discussed with yours truly, then don't bring them up. I'm not instigating anything here. I'm only responding and putting out my own views.

But fine, no one likes anything I have to say. Why don't all you people just vote me off the forums if I bother everybody so much. I've been treated horribly in my own life from practically everyone I've ever met. Being told to leave here wouldn't surprise me.

And although I am a secular humanist, I have to say that I've been pretty sick of everyone both IRL and online at the moment. But hey, who cares about what I think. Nothing I say matters to anyone.
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If you don't want controversial subjects being discussed with yours truly, then don't bring them up. I'm not instigating anything here. I'm only responding and putting out my own views.

But fine, no one likes anything I have to say. Why don't all you people just vote me off the forums if I bother everybody so much. I've been treated horribly in my own life from practically everyone I've ever met. Being told to leave here wouldn't surprise me.

And although I am a secular humanist, I have to say that I've been pretty sick of everyone both IRL and online at the moment. But hey, who cares about what I think. Nothing I say matters to anyone.

People used to care about what you think, but then you started having a 'woes me' attitude. It's annoying. From what I've heard you were actually fun to talk to. Up until recently that is. Yeah, you have your own views, but you have to see that other people have their own too. You have a "I'm right and you're all wrong" mentality and that's why people 'stopped caring.'
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