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Christmas is coming I am just curious what does christmas mean to you and do people think it has become too based around material goods.

I am not going to rant haha

Just I asked afew people and work some people arn't bothered, Some can't wait etc

I personally am Looking forward to spending time with family members I havnt seen for a long time and the food :D

But I feel that alot of it is based around materilism

I mean people og out spending tons of money ( some that cannot aford to and get in major debt) for what gifts that people may use abit or stuff they want but don't need.

I had my parents ask me what do I want for x-mas I said nothing as anything I feel I need I can buy mysaelf as I work and I have everything I need.

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Christmas is coming I am just curious what does christmas mean to you and do people think it has become too based around material goods.

I am not going to rant haha

Just I asked afew people and work some people arn't bothered, Some can't wait etc

I personally am Looking forward to spending time with family members I havnt seen for a long time and the food :D

But I feel that alot of it is based around materilism

I mean people og out spending tons of money ( some that cannot aford to and get in major debt) for what gifts that people may use abit or stuff they want but don't need.

I had my parents ask me what do I want for x-mas I said nothing as anything I feel I need I can buy mysaelf as I work and I have everything I need.

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There's no doubt there's definitely that angle on Christmas now. However Gift-giving has always been a part of Christmas, back since the story of the Three Wise men bringing Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh to Jesus (though it's really more of a birthday thing considering XD).

I hear this alot these days "that Christmas has lost it's meaning" but t'way I see it that argument contradicts itself. If Christmas had truly lost it's meaning there wouldn't be people to complain about the 'lost meaning'. Sure some people will think of Christmas as that time when they get presents and that's that. Many others look forward to a time to see family, visit old friends, have nice music and parties and general goodwill.

You don't need to spend money to enjoy Christmas, indeed many people can't, as there's much much more to Christmas. There's enough people that recognise that to complain about it. Ultimately at the end of the day, what does it matter if other people see Christmas as a chance to get their new console they've wanted all year? What matters is what you believe and if you remember the true meaning of Christmas you can celebrate it however you want.

The trouble is, in the buildup to Christmas, all you will see is the commercialism. The constant ads promising next day delivery, the prices on TV, the rush of consumers on the high street. Come Christmas Day everyone will see the other side of Christmas, the family will come around, folks will gather for Christmas Dinner, kids will be happy for the presents they've received and share in goodwill. Whether it was all commercial before, when the time comes everyone will share in the Christmas Spirit.


(That's assuming said 'everyone' celebrates Christmas, don't mean to sound insensitive to other religions)
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Doesn't mean much to me. Just means giving gifts to the family and caring.

I do hate every single customer who comes into my work shop, though, and wants a present wrapped.
Wrap that shit yourself. If you have time to shop for that fucking thing, you have time to wrap it.

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Doesn't mean much to me. Just means giving gifts to the family and caring.

I do hate every single customer who comes into my work shop, though, and wants a present wrapped.
Wrap that shit yourself. If you have time to shop for that fucking thing, you have time to wrap it.

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I never really cared about christmas, so this time it won't be any different. Don't get me wrong, I love gifts but christmas is.. just bleh.

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If Christmas had truly lost it's meaning there wouldn't be people to complain about the 'lost meaning'.

This, very much so.

To me, giving gifts on Christmas is supposed to serve as a reminder of how God gave us his son, but not everyone sees it like that. However, to say Christmas has lost its meaning doesn't make any sense to begin with, simply because it means many different things to different people. Heck, I'm sure there are some people out there who believe the meaning of Christmas is that the Marauding Red Night Goblin comes out to throw black rocks at people. Now, if one were to say Christmas has lost its "true" meaning, it still wouldn't make any sense for the reason Pierre described.

Do I believe Christmas has become too commercialized? Yes. If you see Christmas decorations on sale at Wal-Mart before Halloween is over, it's become too commercialized. But there are still many people out there who see Christmas as a time for peace on earth and good will towards mankind. One of my favorite stories about that would have to be the World War I Christmas Truce of 1914. Kind of sad it didn't end the war entirely, but that one day of peace was still an amazing thing.
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Doesn't mean much to me. Just means giving gifts to the family and caring.

I do hate every single customer who comes into my work shop, though, and wants a present wrapped.
Wrap that shit yourself. If you have time to shop for that fucking thing, you have time to wrap it.

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Why would I want to wrap as a CUSTOMER when you can let the employees do it for you? If additional wrapping is provided by a company that means it's an extra service they are offering to their customers. Extra service costs money meaning extra costs. These costs need to be covered trough the generated income.

In other words: even if you don't pay an additional fee for the wrapping you're paying for it indirectly. Saying customers should do something for which they payed is completely backwards. I hope you didn't sincerely mean that customers should wrap their own stuff Cat, because if you do you're either delusional or incredibly lazy.

About Christmas being materialistic. It's pretty much a fact that it is. If you look at sales numbers from all sectors (food, retail, amusement etc.) they all go up during the holidays. The way it's celebrated is up to you and your family though. We don't do gifts with Christmas because we already do that on December 5th (Sinterklaas / Saint Nick holiday) but we do get the entire family together to play games and have a nice meal.
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At first Christmas just meant spending time with my family. Getting gifts was just a plus when I was a kid. As I grew older, I never asked for anything therefore never received gifts, but I was with my family and that's all that mattered to me.
Right now Christmas means a lot more to me. Of course because of my family, but also because Daniel and I became a couple on Christmas and this year will be our five year anniversary.
I don't care for gifts, just as long as Daniel and my family are happy that's all that matters to me.
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Extra service costs money meaning extra costs. These costs need to be covered trough the generated income.

I hope you didn't sincerely mean that customers should wrap their own stuff Cat, because if you do you're either delusional or incredibly lazy.


Actually, no, in the jewelry store, they aren't paying extra for wrapping.
The wrapping is a free service offered to them. A free, optional service.

And no, I am also not joking about people needing to wrap their own shit together. I had a good 300 customers yesterday and about 90% of them wanted their purchases wrapped. And I was even praised cause I am oh-so-awesome at wrapping a gift fast, whereas if they did it themselves it would take "a good 30 minutes"... you know, EINSTEIN, if you spent HOURS wrapping multiple gifts A DAY for about FOUR WEEKS like I have, you would be faster, too! You know why? Cause if I don't do it fast enough, customer will complain and bitch and then I will be reprimanded for not being fast enough. Face it, pal, if you bothered WRAPPING PRESENTS YOURSELF you'd actually get BETTER at it! IT'S CALLED PRACTICE!

What the hell kind of idea is that, anyway?
You don't only just buy a gift, you have some random stranger wrap it for your loved one. Oh, but DON'T wrap it in an obvious way that you bought it at this jewelry store! I don't want the name of the store on it! Well, excuuuuuuse me, Princess! I get told "Wrap this as a Christmas gift (please)" (Yes the please is sometimes gone by now, especially with lots of customers, fuck you all, customers) I use the blue wrapping paper with the blue ribbon that, yes, has our store's name on it. If you WANT it to be less conspicuous, either A) TELL ME BEFOREHAND that you want it to be that way, then I will use the pink ribbon that doesn't have our store's name on it or B) WRAP THAT SHIT YOURSELF and you can make it as inconspicuous as you want by having it wrapped in hearts with a golden ribbon, so it looks like a V-Day gift.
So what if it takes you a while to wrap them? Or they don't look perfect? Shit, my wrapping still doesn't look perfect at the store, but it gets done and holds the box inside. That's the main deal. Too much fucking garbage on Christmas, anyway, with wrapping and ribbon and cards...!

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If Christmas had truly lost it's meaning there wouldn't be people to complain about the 'lost meaning'.

This, very much so.
One of my favorite stories about that would have to be the World War I Christmas Truce of 1914. Kind of sad it didn't end the war entirely, but that one day of peace was still an amazing thing.


Yeah that's a glorious story.

Sainsburys of all people did a nice little video envisaging it for Christmas.
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Extra service costs money meaning extra costs. These costs need to be covered trough the generated income.

I hope you didn't sincerely mean that customers should wrap their own stuff Cat, because if you do you're either delusional or incredibly lazy.


Actually, no, in the jewelry store, they aren't paying extra for wrapping.
The wrapping is a free service offered to them. A free, optional service.


Cat, do you even know basic economics? This stuff is standard high-school level material you know.

To wrap something you need: Material for wrapping + manual labor. Materials cost money and manual labor = salary --> costs money. You're not adding value directly to the product itself, but rather the presentation --> extra service.

The company probably compensates with more sales through this service so a raise in overall prices won't be mandatory. It doesn't matter how the company handles their strategy it all comes down to: customers who buy generate the income and our expenses need to be covered through this income.

If you still don't get it I'll use a more concrete example so you can visualize what I just explained:
- You stay in a hotel for €50 a night.
- The next day you leave your room and find out that the hotel next door is exactly the same, but rooms seem to be €30.
- You ask the manager of your hotel why this one seems €20 more expensive
- The manager explains that they have a big relaxation resort underground, which is free to use for all guests
- You explain you didn't use it and you want a €20 refund
- Manager explains: Not my fault you didn't use it. It's included in the price. You're free to use it or not.

Also about the people who say you can wrap stuff up fast and nicely. It's just a compliment or an attempt at small talk. They know it's practice and obviously so do you. I don't see why that would agitate you. Just take the compliment or indulge your customers in their small talk.
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Yeah I was surprised you weren't clocking onto that Cat.

Better Service = More appeal to customers.

I'm terrible at wrapping Christmas Presents, I might want someone to wrap a present for me because I know I'll do a terrible job on it.
I might have through some unfortunate series of events been unable to acquire any of the right wrapping paper, only having "Happy Birthday" variety around the house and it's convenient and useful for me to get it wrapped nicely.
It might be a really special Christmas present (as often I'd imagine things from a jewellery shop are) and I want it to be taken seriously, so I know if I wrap it people will laugh and be like "Well I know who sent that" so it takes a bit of the wind out of the sails due to terrible presentation.
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I don't see why that would agitate you.


I'd like to see you NOT get agitated when your hot, your feet and knees hurt like fuck and for the past hour or longer, you've been wrapping presents with barely a break in-between. It's brain-numbingly boring and gets pretty annoying, too.

Also, Pierre, as I said: what does the presentation matter? It's the gift and thought that is more important. So what if you use a Happy Birthday wrapping paper on it? At our house, we have wrapping paper that says things on it, but do we exclusively use Christmas paper for Christmas? No. We use what is handy - and maybe get a bit fancy with color-coordination, like blue with gold or such. (And the jewelry store's wrapping paper doesn't say anything christmasy on it, either, and sometimes people want me to wrap it with the regular silver colored side and not the blue one)

And again, what does the wrapping matter? It'll just be torn off and end up as garbage, anyway.

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I don't see why that would agitate you.


I'd like to see you NOT get agitated when your hot, your feet and knees hurt like fuck and for the past hour or longer, you've been wrapping presents with barely a break in-between. It's brain-numbingly boring and gets pretty annoying, too.

Also, Pierre, as I said: what does the presentation matter? It's the gift and thought that is more important. So what if you use a Happy Birthday wrapping paper on it? At our house, we have wrapping paper that says things on it, but do we exclusively use Christmas paper for Christmas? No. We use what is handy - and maybe get a bit fancy with color-coordination, like blue with gold or such. (And the jewelry store's wrapping paper doesn't say anything christmasy on it, either, and sometimes people want me to wrap it with the regular silver colored side and not the blue one)

And again, what does the wrapping matter? It'll just be torn off and end up as garbage, anyway.

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Ugh I was doubting whether I should post that last sentence or not. You're completely shifting the focus of the debate from 'why people shouldn't have to wrap their own stuff' to why you don't want to do it. I'm guessing you're done with it then.

And yes I also have days when I'm not feeling well. Picking up heavy boxes and crates in a distribution center can also be a pain when I have sore muscles combined with several contusions. That day I nearly waggled like a penguin because I couldn't move properly and just wanted to go home, but if you decide to show up at work you should suck it up. It's pretty much the same with all part-time jobs at our age: simple physical work for an average wage. Consider yourself lucky if you have a part-time job that isn't boring and/or drains you mentally or physically.

But hey. Better to have tedious work instead of no work right? It's okay to vent about your job on a forum, but if you are like that at work I'm imagining your quite a tedious employee.

Why does wrapping matter? To enhance the presentation off course. Opening gifts is much more exciting than simply giving an object to another person. It's a little feeling of suspense someone can add when they want to give a gift. Even if it gets thrown away it adds something to the experience of said product.
From the business standpoint it matters as extra service and if you have a print with your company logo on it can even be considered marketing.
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Actually, the only reason I show up (despite having a bad cold) is that it's practically forbidden to take a sick day in December. (Given the days where I WAS sent home earlier due to lack of customers, this is contradictory...) Also, the boxes we put the jewelry in has the store's name on it. The ribbon is not extra marketing. (And considering the complaints I got about "don't you have a less... obvious-where-it-came-from ribbon/bag?", I have all the more reason to hate customers for not wrapping shit themselves. I have my orders on how to wrap stuff in our store, you want it without the logo, you wrap it yourself at home, I don't care if it takes you 30 minutes and it looks like it's done by a kid)

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Presentation is important Cat, you of all people should know that. Pretty sure you lost a job in the past on grounds of presentation issues about your hygiene.

The thought and gift are nice but presentation is important too. I'm terrible at wrapping things but I'll always put in the effort to ensure it's at least wrapped so there's that element of suspense for people. It's just disheartening to get an unwrapped present because there's no surprise.

Now if we can accept that the surprise is part of the gift-giving process then it answers why people would be upset about the wrapping being obvious. If it's in jewellery shop wrapping then it gives away the contents.
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In which case, they should know that the store's wrapping will likely contain the name of the store on it somewhere. Or, in my store's case, we have the name on the ribbon and the BOXES we put the jewelry in ALSO has the name on it. (Even in embedded latters, so you can feel them) If they want me to use the more inconspicuous silver paper side + pink ribbon that doesn't have anything written on it, they need to TELL ME or my co-workers before I proceed with the wrapping, cause then I know to do so. Waiting until I have spent the minute or so it takes me to wrap and put the ribbon on is not a good idea. Not to mention you'd have no right to complain at that point, since you SAW me put it together and could've mentioned something beforehand.

Presentation is presentation and hygiene is a different matter.
Also, unless you are gifting a, for example, scarf that is not in a box or similar, there is no reason to use wrapping paper. Majority of the gifts in my house are just put into boxes we collect in various sizes and then wrapped. (We also have the thing of putting hints on the card so we can do a guessing game before opening - and even then, just because I take the paper off and it's in a desk lamp box doesn't mean it IS a desk lamp) So technically we can just forgo the paper, use a non-revealing box and open it.
Same type of suspense you are talking about, minus the litter of paper and ribbon.

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In which case, they should know that the store's wrapping will likely contain the name of the store on it somewhere.


Why? They just see free gift wrapping, they don't know it functions as advertising for the shop. It's an assumption that doesn't work. I've seen places do free wrapping without logos before.

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Not to mention you'd have no right to complain at that point, since you SAW me put it together and could've mentioned something beforehand.


Many probably don't complain figuring "Oh well she started already" the folks who do are probably just venting a little misfortune (much like you do) in the hopes the kind staff member will say "Oh don't worry it's no hassle to use the wrapping :kristoph: "

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Presentation is about how something is displayed and presented to people. All senses play into that, smell, sound and sight.

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So technically we can just forgo the paper, use a non-revealing box and open it.
Same type of suspense you are talking about, minus the litter of paper and ribbon.


That sounds like a fun little tradition...for YOUR family. However you just replace the litter of paper and ribbon with that of empty boxes left lumping around the house (which arguably take up MORE space as litter than a roll of wrapping paper).

You can't assume every family operates on your family's box plan and judge them for wanting to use traditional wrapping.
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Actually, we have nice spaces for the boxes. I have my console boxes under my bed. Mom has several sized boxes on top of a bookshelf. And none fall down, unless by force done by a human or cat. It works fine. Yes, we also wrap, but I really am considering just using boxes from now on with the card.
I think the worst wrapping I had was for a woman who told me when I was almost done wrapping (ie, I was about to put the last sellotape piece to hold it together) if I could use a brighter one, since it was "for a little girl"... so I unwrapped it, turned the paper over, reused the sellotape and was gonna grab the ribbon, but no, I should use the pink cause the gift is "for a little girl"... lady, the fucking color doesn't MATTER. You know WHY I have 2 color ribbons and paper? So in case someone buys multiple gifts, I have visual options on making them look distinct from each other! The fucking girl (who was 12 according to her) is not gonna give a crap if the gift is wrapped in dark blue or silver, all she will see is the damn fucking bracelet you put together.

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Actually, we have nice spaces for the boxes. I have my console boxes under my bed. Mom has several sized boxes on top of a bookshelf. And none fall down, unless by force done by a human or cat. It works fine. Yes, we also wrap, but I really am considering just using boxes from now on with the card.
I think the worst wrapping I had was for a woman who told me when I was almost done wrapping (ie, I was about to put the last sellotape piece to hold it together) if I could use a brighter one, since it was "for a little girl"... so I unwrapped it, turned the paper over, reused the sellotape and was gonna grab the ribbon, but no, I should use the pink cause the gift is "for a little girl"... lady, the fucking color doesn't MATTER. You know WHY I have 2 color ribbons and paper? So in case someone buys multiple gifts, I have visual options on making them look distinct from each other! The fucking girl (who was 12 according to her) is not gonna give a crap if the gift is wrapped in dark blue or silver, all she will see is the damn fucking bracelet you put together.

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So she wasn't happy with the alternative colour you had? Perhaps you should have shown a little better customer service and solved the entire problem.

"Oh certainly ma'am, what were you thinking of? I'm afraid we only have dark blue or silver"

"Oh...ah well if you don't have pink it doesn't matter just finish it up then :)"

Bingo.

Still take these complaints to the vent station, or your retail hell site you enjoy. Either way I don't think you'll find much sympathy. Despite what you might believe it's not your job to wrap presents. It's your job to make customers happy and appreciated firstly and foremostly. If you need to take extra time to do that, then all the better, it shows you are going the extra mile.
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Oh don't come with shit like make the customers happy. Customers who abuse this stupid "The customer is always right" bullcrap are the epitome of assholes in the human species. The customer is DEFINITELY right if he DEMANDS I go into the back stock to see if we have something that ISN'T out on the floor when I KNOW that the item is NOT in the entire store anymore, for various reasons. (Sold out, no longer being sold in our store in general) And then they don't listen because Customer is always right. Fuck customers who think that. I am a human person, too, and I WILL curse you out if you behave like an ass to me first. I don't think my job is worth enough to me to lie down and get yelled at by some putz who doesn't know the first thing of how retail works.

And no, my job is NOT to make the customer happy. My job is to SELL something to the customer. I honestly don't care if they're happy with their purchase or if the person they're buying something for will be happy with it. Once they're out of the store, not my business anymore.

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Oh don't come with shit like make the customers happy. Customers who abuse this stupid "The customer is always right" bullcrap are the epitome of assholes in the human species. The customer is DEFINITELY right if he DEMANDS I go into the back stock to see if we have something that ISN'T out on the floor when I KNOW that the item is NOT in the entire store anymore, for various reasons. (Sold out, no longer being sold in our store in general) And then they don't listen because Customer is always right. Fuck customers who think that. I am a human person, too, and I WILL curse you out if you behave like an ass to me first. I don't think my job is worth enough to me to lie down and get yelled at by some putz who doesn't know the first thing of how retail works.

And no, my job is NOT to make the customer happy. My job is to SELL something to the customer. I honestly don't care if they're happy with their purchase or if the person they're buying something for will be happy with it. Once they're out of the store, not my business anymore.

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But we're not talking about "the Customer is always right" nor are the complaints you make about your customers on that scale. So far you complained about someone who showed up 5 minutes from closing, someone who was disappointed that the wrapping indicated where the present came from ruining the surprise, someone who asked if you could use brighter wrapping as it's for a girl.

These aren't horrible people as you seem to make out. They aren't demanding to talk to the manager because you don't have the right wrapping and that you are sacked for it. They didn't pout and shout that they were taking their business elsewhere because the ribbons gave away the location of the gift. Hell the customer who arrived with 5 minutes to go didn't do anything wrong at all.

Yes there are customers who can push the borders of reason and abuse customer service, of that there is no doubt but not all of them are like that and as such your hatred of customers is disproportional. If you don't want the customer to have a good time at your shop or feel it's your job to make their shopping experience happy, pleasant and easy then by god keep your game face on at work because I don't think anyone would hire you if they knew about your attitude to customer service.
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As an interesting addendum to what I posted before, today marks the 100th anniversary of the WWI Christmas Truce.
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As an interesting addendum to what I posted before, today marks the 100th anniversary of the WWI Christmas Truce.


Dear god that thing is REAL? I thought it was just some dumb chocolate's commercial I've been seeing on TV.

I only get really pissy about customers the closer it gets to the end of my shift. Especially if it's a long one.

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As an interesting addendum to what I posted before, today marks the 100th anniversary of the WWI Christmas Truce.


Dear god that thing is REAL? I thought it was just some dumb chocolate's commercial I've been seeing on TV.

I'm feel like posting a link to an article describing the Christmas Truce of 1914 and saying "no shit, Sherlock," but that would be callous. oh wait
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Oh don't come with shit like make the customers happy. Customers who abuse this stupid "The customer is always right" bullcrap are the epitome of assholes in the human species. The customer is DEFINITELY right if he DEMANDS I go into the back stock to see if we have something that ISN'T out on the floor when I KNOW that the item is NOT in the entire store anymore, for various reasons. (Sold out, no longer being sold in our store in general) And then they don't listen because Customer is always right. Fuck customers who think that. I am a human person, too, and I WILL curse you out if you behave like an ass to me first. I don't think my job is worth enough to me to lie down and get yelled at by some putz who doesn't know the first thing of how retail works.

And no, my job is NOT to make the customer happy. My job is to SELL something to the customer. I honestly don't care if they're happy with their purchase or if the person they're buying something for will be happy with it. Once they're out of the store, not my business anymore.

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Cat it IS your job to keep customers happy. If selling stuff was the only factor here then you could be replaced by a vending machine. Especially nowadays when online purchases are becoming more popular the draw of brick stores is shifting to service and/or customer satisfactory.

Customers want to see and feel the products they are going to buy, they want to be helped when they have questions immediately and have those little extra's you won't get in an online shop. That's what a company wants to deliver on with it's employees. The customer is always right does not refer to helping overly obnoxious or unreasonable people, but if you don't give them what they want then they won't buy at your store. Business always comes back to supply and demand.

And if you feel like a customer is overstepping his/her bounds with something you should let your manager/boss solve it. One of the perks of being a part-timer is that you don't have to carry responsibility towards stuff like that.
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Cat it IS your job to keep customers happy.


So THEY are allowed to infuriate me with their indecisiveness on what goddamn fucking glass stone to wear with a bracelet, make me repeat themselves when I tell them information they already know and make me want to scream at them to just pick fucking something already after thirty minutes of "servicing" them as long as it makes THEM. FUCKING. HAPPY!?!? :tigre:

And the only thing that is "extra" in our store that isn't in the online one is you get it immediately. Actually, not even that all the time. Sometimes the online store lists things that aren't in our store's inventory anymore, only in the outlet where out-sorted items are. So, wasted trip. (And that doesn't make them happy~ :larry: )

Also, shove someone onto another worker? Doesn't work. The customer who was one of the reasons why I broke yesterday was originally mine, then a full-timer took over. After thirty minutes of this person still not done deciding what the fuck she wants, she was shoved back onto me. And I, despite hating myself for it, had to shove her onto the other part-timer, otherwise I would've started strangling this fucking woman with the fucking bracelet she was still not done building... after almost an hour of looking!

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Cat it IS your job to keep customers happy.


So THEY are allowed to infuriate me with their indecisiveness on what goddamn fucking glass stone to wear with a bracelet, make me repeat themselves when I tell them information they already know and make me want to scream at them to just pick fucking something already after thirty minutes of "servicing" them as long as it makes THEM. FUCKING. HAPPY!?!? :tigre:


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You work in a jewellery store, jewellery is often bought for special occasions. Often sentimental value or even historical value is attached to pieces of jewellery, the kinda thing that you pass on through generations. For something that might be so momentous...YES they are entitled to take their time choosing carefully.

Also why do you care? Would you get out of work faster if you didn't have to serve the customer? No you're on the clock! You'd just end up fiddling around with something while your superiors wonder why you are slacking off.

Is there a set time limit for folks to browse? No, they can stay there from open to shut if they like looking at one piece and they won't have done anything wrong at all. Just because you have a retail job doesn't mean you can complain like it's one of those retail hell stories you keep posting. Spending almost an hour with a customer? That's nothing for some jobs.
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You guys might want to continue this conversation via PM or a new topic as we're getting off of this one.

Hope everyone had a merry Christmas and I hope you all have a happy new year. :)
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You work in a jewellery store, jewellery is often bought for special occasions. Often sentimental value or even historical value is attached to pieces of jewellery, the kinda thing that you pass on through generations. For something that might be so momentous...YES they are entitled to take their time choosing carefully.


Uh, nope. This isn't the kind of jewelry that gets passed down from generation to generation. This is personal jewelry that has meaning to YOU but not to anyone else. And no, majority of the jewelry? Not bought for special occasions, they just buy it cause "Eh I wanted another charm on my bracelet".
We're not THE jewelry store you go to for that (we sell "regular" stuff, not the big stuff like wedding rings or even piercing ears), we're a smaller store.

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Extra service costs money meaning extra costs. These costs need to be covered trough the generated income.

I hope you didn't sincerely mean that customers should wrap their own stuff Cat, because if you do you're either delusional or incredibly lazy.


Actually, no, in the jewelry store, they aren't paying extra for wrapping.
The wrapping is a free service offered to them. A free, optional service.


Cat, do you even know basic economics? This stuff is standard high-school level material you know.

To wrap something you need: Material for wrapping + manual labor. Materials cost money and manual labor = salary --> costs money. You're not adding value directly to the product itself, but rather the presentation --> extra service.

The company probably compensates with more sales through this service so a raise in overall prices won't be mandatory. It doesn't matter how the company handles their strategy it all comes down to: customers who buy generate the income and our expenses need to be covered through this income.

If you still don't get it I'll use a more concrete example so you can visualize what I just explained:
- You stay in a hotel for €50 a night.
- The next day you leave your room and find out that the hotel next door is exactly the same, but rooms seem to be €30.
- You ask the manager of your hotel why this one seems €20 more expensive
- The manager explains that they have a big relaxation resort underground, which is free to use for all guests
- You explain you didn't use it and you want a €20 refund
- Manager explains: Not my fault you didn't use it. It's included in the price. You're free to use it or not.

Also about the people who say you can wrap stuff up fast and nicely. It's just a compliment or an attempt at small talk. They know it's practice and obviously so do you. I don't see why that would agitate you. Just take the compliment or indulge your customers in their small talk.



I get where your coming from with that as I got first class train few weeks ago and got "free drinks and snacks and food" but then it clicked it was included in the ticket price already so it wasnt free as such haha
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