But at the same time you paid full price and got the same generation.

---

Indeed I did!... Plus 18 hours of solid playtime. And the ability to catch freaking Riolu in the beginning of the game. Not to mention the ability to battle my friends who also own B/W 2. Fun times all around, really.

---

I'm guessing Pokemon fans think differently since the time I played.

---

IGN gave it a 9.6. IGN is supposed to hate Pokemon.

"Best Pokemon game ever!" has been going around a lot too. :3


Um no, it's pretty different. Even though it is from the same generation it is still vastly different from the first Black and White games. Just to list off a few changes: there are a bunch of new places, 154 more Pokemon available, an achievement system, the PWT which lets you challenge all the old gym leaders and champions ever, move tutors, the Kyurem formes, a function in the PC box that lets you select multiple Pokemon at a time, the ability to change difficulties between Easy, Normal, and Hard modes, the Pokestar Studios, and the option to use another Repel when one runs out instead of having to go back to the bag. Not to mention that all the aesthetics are much cleaner and polished and that the story is a direct continuation of the previous BW games which means it's got a different narrative.

Okay now on the flip side of things, between the 3rd and 6th gyms things SORT OF get redundant but the beginning and the end of the main story is absolutely worth it for how much a brand new experience it is.

---

Alright and any of our 3DS wielders out there care to explain what the Dream Radar is?

---

I played it near the end of the summer and stopped around... the 5th or 6th gym (I stopped shortly after the flying gym)

It's fun and all, but I always had this desire for new new pokemon instead of new old pokemon whenever playing :(


...I'll pick it back up and finish it eventually

---

idk. I've been a Pokéfan (lol) since GSC and I think (objectively-speaking) the series gets better which each new generation.

---

...You read no serebii at all? :P
- http://www.serebii.net/dreamradar/
- http://www.serebii.net/dreamradar/modes.shtml
- http://www.serebii.net/dreamradar/pokemon.shtml
- http://www.serebii.net/dreamradar/items.shtml
- http://www.serebii.net/dreamradar/powerup.shtml
- http://www.serebii.net/dreamradar/genivpokemon.shtml
- http://www.serebii.net/dreamradar/capture.shtml

Sorry P, I would have answered better, since I do have also the 3DS,
but the thing is I'm still waiting for my copy of the game to arrive.
Dawmn weekends...!!

EDIT; It's here!!! It's hereeee!!!!!

---

About this...What people expect from Pokémon -thnig...Meh...To me the new pok´s and changes to test them counts most too, like ya BP.
It's fun to go through the story and all but...It's always the same thing really. Forget the second layer story like; separating people from pokémons, using the power of legendary to expnd certain species living areas or creating a better world with distortion dragon...
...Take those away and what you get? More or less; Here ya go son; take you first lv 5 Pokémon, now go get all gym badges, defeat the league trainers and BTW, you need to save the world while doing so. ...Didn't I do this already?
Don't take me wrong here; I still lke playing these, just saying it's never changed too much. Good or bad thing, you decide.

Now...So far I actually enjoyed the story of B/W most. I might be looking this way too deep, but it kinda is about stopping the end of the world.
As we know; Humans and pokémons have lived together for a long time, so separating them would mean the end to the world as we know it (in PKN games; I mean)
Like I said; I might have looked it way too deeply, but I liked it much.
...Which is why I bought both; black AND White. White was my first, but...I kept it as my main game, while black is for restarts.
I'll probably buy the Black 2 too eventually, for restarts (and to get items easily, like more masterballs etc) But...First I'm gonna enjoy this White 2.

Anyway; Me and Tepig; Here we go! On our "first" journey!! Tan-tan-taaaa!!!

---

If you have the previous games, I recommend using the Memory Link feature. That's where all the dialogue starts to get really DEEP.

---

Yeah but I barely understand it anyway

Plus I usually don't understand the instructions at all

And then there's the question of whether Memory Link and stuff is compatible over different regions >.<

---

I'm so addicted to Black 2 and White 2, I'm at the fourth gym and I just can't stop even though I have a lot of work... why must Pokémon be so addictive ?

---

D/P/Pt was all kinds of bad all the way around.

---

Yeah but HG/SS more than makes up for it

---

You couldn't get me to disagree more if you were freaking Hitler.

I mean, DPPt brought back Gyarados from the brink of mediocrity (thanks to the Phys/Special split within Types). That's enough to make it legendary.

---

I just couldn't get into it much. The story was horrible, the games moved so so slow, they pretty much made legendaries a common occurance, and I could have really cared less for the villain. I think what really got me though is that this game felt like it wanted to try so hard to have such an epic story but it failed so hard. Honestly, it's the weakest out of the series for me. I give it credit for having good music and a few pokes I liked, but overall, I really can't stand it.

Would you kill me if I said I was more of a Vaporeon/Lapras guy myself?

---

I take it your copy's in Japanese? I had a Japanese White 2, but I was only able to get through the main story and the PWT. :(

I don't know about different regions but it is compatible over different versions. My White fit perfectly with my Black 2 to my surprise.


I like it because it's what really got me back on the Pokemon bandwagon. I admit DP is not very fun to play through but I had a much better experience with Platinum simply because two of my favorite Pokemon (Gliscor and Gardevoir) were available early in the game. Also Giratina's new forme was badass.

---

Cyrus was IIRC the first time they tried to flesh out the villain with a backstory of sorts, which I appreciated..you're entitled to your opinion, I guess, but I do really think incremental improvements have been made to the Pokemon formula throughout the last decade or so.

...actually, no; Vaporeon is pretty badass too. <3

---

I'm currently flipping my shit because the only goddamn game I brought with me on vacation was platinum, and I'm wracking my brains to try and figure out how to get the national pokedex, AND IT TELLS ME I NEED TO SEE ALL 210 POKEMON, ONE OF WHICH I NEED POKEMON RANGERS FOR!

Fuck that generation.

---

You can actually view a picture of Manaphy in Cynthia's hometown. I forget the name, but yeah, it's dumb.

---

If you don't have Ranger, you can see Manaphy by going to the Trophy Mansion and reading a book. Reading is good for children even in the Pokemon world.

---

Well that simplifies things, but now I need to find 4 more.

---

You've skipped battling few trainers then.
If you battle everyone and take a look of that photo, yu should have seen all pokés you can.
Out of curiosity...What 4 are ya missing?
With easy ones you can level some Pokés up to evolve them, or just go look for those in grass to get it done.

---

Beat the first two gyms in Black 2. Thoughts:

Wow, even considering it was the first gym and Normal types, Cheren was all kinds of disappointing. Gym Leaders shouldn't spend most of the match using Tackle and Leer. I liked how the trainers outside the entrance tell you where you can get a Riolu, and how if you don't have a Fighting type, you'll have to brute force a win with your starter. Problem is, Riolu doesnt learn a Fighting type attack until Level 15 (Counter doesn't really count), at which point you can easily brute force your way through anyway. sigh

Roxie was a lot better. I'm used to hitting a Leader's weakness so I always went to Psychics or Ground types to deal with Poison before. I pretty much forgot Steels are immune to Poison. So my Magnemite didn't learn anything to hit her weaknesses, but there wasn't much anything she could do to it so yeah. Even easier battle than Cheren, but a lot more satisfying imo, plus I used a Poke I've pretty much never bothered trying out ever, which was nice.

---

Meh...Might as well post my own thoughts too.
Got my fifth badge few days ago in my W2 and gonna continue tonight.
(It's fun and all, but...you know...Can't play PN, when there's double IP on LoL)

Anyway...I picked the male player, Natsu, and chose Tepig.
I've really taken my time this time, like I said I've just beaten the fifth gym and I'm already 21h+ in.
Dunno...I like to explore this new unova more, and that new thing with the pokedex...the habitat thing...
...it just calls you to explore every area you go and catch everything! It's not a big thing they added, but sure is fun and I like it. So far I've seen 98 pokes, and obtained 69.
Also, thanks to that memory thing I did at the beginning...Hunting for N's pokemons...Just fun. I like it.
And I also like all these references to previous game. I actually felt it really deep inside me when I got that flashback of N reminiscencing my W1 main character.
The moment the game actually called him by name, Shinko, I....I had chills on my back.

Anyway, this is also the first time I've also tried to keep my pokes around the same levels and actually spent some time leveling this time.
My team...Well...I kinda like it, kinda not. I still only have four pokes and now comes the unexpected part; I STILL HAVE NO WATER TYPE.
I'm serious, as you guys might know; water is my favorite type and there's at least one water poke on my party every time.
It's just that I like Tepig most of Unova starters, and I think Samurott fits the rival more, so I didn't choose Oshawott.
But now that I can use surf...I'm gonna get my water type soon, hopefully.
But but but...I was suposed to write down my team.
- Nabuta / Emboar - 36 - Flame Charge, Arm Thrust, Ember, Tackle
- Nayoomoo / Ampharos - 34 - Volt Switch, Thundershock, Charge, Take Down
- Nakoomori / Crobat - 30 - Fly, Cross Poison, Return, Bite
- Nagator / Krokorok - 34 - Dig, Crunch, Rock Tomb, Bite
I don't know...somehow I always find myself using Crobat these days. Easy to get, just MURDERS everything early game and works really well at end game too. The reason I picked Mareep...well...don't get me wrong, Amphy is strong and everything but...It's not Galvantula! ;_;
The reason I didn't want to pick Galvantula is because I try to not use that many pokes from my original white team.
I had Samurott, Krookodile, Galvantula, Ferrothorn, Darmanitan and Scolipede (replaced with Crobat after E4)
Also the reason why I picked Tepig over Osha. Then I'd already have fire type, so no Darmanitan.
Early game I also had Sewaddle, but...I leveled it to 10 lv so I'd have Oshawott counter, but then I got also Mareep and kept thinking;
I had Leavanny on Black and even though it had some shining moments, it was pretty useless later in the game...Thus; I kicked it out.


I had this other way around though. Though I had...Worst of luck really...
All that fliching from Bites...And guess what; I SWEAR that Lillipup used somekinda Critical Hit code...!!
Heck; I had a Pignite, Flaafy, Sewaddle and random Psyduck, Lillipup and Dunsparce and it was still THIS close I won...Trust me, it was not pretty...not at all...
Roxie, on the other hand was no problem at all, which was kinda dissapointing since she used those bulky Pokes Koffing and Whirlipede.
Oay, I confess it was because I was really over leveled and used Pignite and Ember, special ATK to save the day, but still...
...Meh...Maybe I'll have trouble with her on B2, once I buy it someday? Hopefully....

...Aww whatta heck; I talk of other gym leaders too.

Burgh also didn't give that much challenge really...Okay, that's because I had, daddada-daa, Pignite and it's fire moves, but still...
Then again he wasn't that bad in previous games either. Just that...His Leavanny is a fast son of a tarantula,
but once you take that out...No prob at all.
...Though I must tell his Dwebble was kinda annoying with its high def stat and rock moves.

Elesa wasn't that big of a deal either this time, though that was because she didn't have two of those fast Emolgas...!
Beat her Emolga with my Ampharos, and rest of team with Krokorok.
She managed to crit my Pignite though, but still not a big deal.

Clay on the other hand was pretty though. Krokorok was no prob against my own, but that Sandslash was pretty bulky and hit back with Crush Claw...
And after that, the god damn mole comes in to kill everything with it's speed and atk...I needed to sacrifice my Emboar to beat it,
first send him in to Arm Thrust and then he dies on next turn, leaving mole with around half HP. Then in comes Krokorok, survives Excadrills attack and uses dig to beat it down. But it still was a close match.
You guys should have seen my face when I just wanted to SE hit them to death, but had no way to do it lol...And of course Crobat didn't get his Air Slash's crits at all either....

About the upcoming leaders, Skyla, Drayden and Marlon, I'm excited for those.
Skylas gonna be my Amphys fest for sure, but Drayden...No idea how to do that...
Marlon...Well, I guess Amphy rocks there too, but I'll figure a backup plan just in case.

---

In terms of HMs, like in BW1, you don't really need them as much, at least not to get through the game. I kinda get the feeling that they always wanted you to have a full 6-Pokemon team of non HM-dumps. That said, only 4 HMs are available anyway (Surf, Fly, Cut, Strength) and most of them are pretty useful enough. In BW2, you don't really need Surf at all until after beating the 8th gym anyway so you have plenty of time to get a water type.

---

has anyone noticed how outclassed the starters are in this game? I started out my run of Black 2 with oshawott and ended up replacing him with swanna as my water type. I started White 2 with Tepig and replaced him with Arcanine

like they seem pretty useless ingame compared to the other options

---

I do that but more because the typing than anything. Blaziken and Typhlosion were the only 2 starters I ever fought the Elite Four with.

Blaziken had a decent speed (not as good as Infernape) and Typhlosion is the best Fire starter that has Sp At as their highest.

(Charizard has a double weakness to rock,)

---

This can easily be explained by the sheer diversity there is in this game. In the first Black and White games there were actually very few water types you could obtain in the during the main game other than the starter. Your only other options were the monkey, tympole, ducklett, and frillish lines. Similarly in Diamond and Pearl Chimchar was a good option because there were no other fire types available except for Ponyta. For an older example, both Cyndaquil and Totodile end up outclassing most other options available in Gold/Silver/Crystal/HeartGold/SoulSilver so you're kind of stuck with them.

In BW2 on the other hand, right away from the first few routes you already have easy access to Sewaddle, Growlithe, and Azurill which would surpass most starters of their type. It doesn't stop from there.

---

Yeah, noticed, but I still managed to get the last two pokés on my team ASAP.
I ended up going with Staryu and Haxorus. And in the end I didn't need the water type that much at all...
Even in PKN league...My H.o.Fame has Staryu instead of Starmie...Didn't bother looking for Water Stone much and then got it on the first route accessible in the game lol.
But yeah; didn't need it much but still nice to have it. Like I said; water is my favorite type which always ends to my team; but there wasn't really need for it this time really...


Couldn't agree more...Even now it feels like my team doesn't really need the Emboar at all...
I could have easily replaced it with either Darumakka (didn't feel like waiting) or Magby (didn't feel like trading for Magmortar, though ultimately this would have been better choice really...)
And it's just like you said.
In gen III it there sure was pokes to replace your Swampert, but ultimately it always had ways to stay in your party and remain useful. And Blaziken...Need I say? Not many fire types and this rooster has earned it's crown so many times already.
Same with G-IV. You were pretty much screwed with fire types if your pick wasn't Chimchar and Piplup evolved into special tank. And ofcourse Turtwigs ine were great too, though I changed mine to Gliscor few times.
And I also agree with Totodile and Cyndaquil here. Those guys were not easily outclassed by anything in the game really.

The original W and B...The starters were far more useful. I didn't even think of replacing them with other pokés.
Emboar was a beast and Samurott was the great surf user, not that you needed it much then either. But he was just great asset to team.
But in these games...Snivy, Tepig & Oshawott...So easily outclassed...If I pick Tepig; I think of using either Lucario, Arcanine or Magmortar at some point to replace it.
If I take Oshawott...Marill, Vaporeon, Starmie or Floatzel come to mind. And with Snivy...Leavanny is a great one...

Meh...

---

About the starters:
Yeah, they suck hairy balls, their stats are just UGH, so are their move pools.
Kicked my Tepig for a badass Arcanine.
Besides that, I got:
Vaporeon
Umbreon
Vibrava
Stoutland
Magnezone

---