Hotel Dusk didn't do much for me

Tue May 05, 2009 12:34 am

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Although I will say that :hyde:

is one of the most badass characters ever to walk this earth...if existing in a video game counts as walking on earth....

Anyway, any other text-heavy Ace Attorney-esique visual novels in English?

[yeah I know, I'm sure it's been asked a million times]

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Re: Hotel Dusk didn't do much for me

Tue May 05, 2009 9:39 am

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err, Another Code (or Trace Memory in america)? Not sure about it though. Might just be a puzzle game.

I don't know any for the DS, but if you want a good detective styled point and click game on PC, google "Nick Bounty". It's a flash game that isn't shit. The 2nd game in the series is 20mb.

Re: Hotel Dusk didn't do much for me

Tue May 05, 2009 11:13 am

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Another Code and Time Hollow are good, or so I've heard.

Why didn't you enjoy Hotel Dusk? Just curious.

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Re: Hotel Dusk didn't do much for me

Tue May 05, 2009 1:36 pm

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here be spoilers

Spoiler:

That game wants to avoid the main point. Badly. You get, like, one clue about what we actually care about, Bradley, once every three hours. Furthermore, it's almost pathetic how it just looks for excuses to distract you from the main plot involving Bradley. Hey, take this old lady to the restaurant. Hey, bring this wine label up to the old lady's room. Hey, get me the writer's autograph. Yeah yeah yeah, there's reasoning behind it, but in the end, almost none of the guests stories are related to what's actually on our mind, which is the plot with Bradley. Subplot with Kevin and Iris was really all we needed to hear about. In fact, so much effort was put into the diversions and so little into the main plot that when you finally get the whole picture at the end, it turns out very underwhelming. No deep, dark, conspiracy, no conflict, no nothing. Dunning just reiterates a bunch of stuff you probably already figured out by now, because this game is terrible at keeping secrets. Did I mention that most of the "twists" in it can be seen coming from a mile away? I normally don't have good foresight, and the only thing that caught me off guard was Dunning being the painter. Anyway, in the middle it just tosses you a whole ton of diversions for a very anticlimatic ending, the game's almost AWARE that it's ending is underwhelming, because it tosses 8 hours worth of gameplay of subplotting when the whole main plot would take five minutes to explain. Almost wanted Dunning to hold a knife to Mila's throat or Louis to pull a gun on Hyde or...or just...something more than Kyle learning what he (and we) already knew: Bradley's still gone. Get to the bottom line and that's all your left with. It's almost like Kyle spent a good evening snooping around Hotel Dusk, helping guests and Rosa with random odds and ends, and turning in some shitbag punk *COUGHJEFFCOUGH*, all for nothing. Unless you count picking up Mila and doing it with her after they settle up for the night as something. Yeah, it just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth, left me asking "Is that REALLY all?"

Yeah, that's my rant on it. Hope that made sense.

Appreciate the suggestions, will look into them.

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Re: Hotel Dusk didn't do much for me

Tue May 05, 2009 2:45 pm

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If you didn't like Hotel Dusk, you will not like Time Hollow. Actually I'm surprised anyone likes Time Hollow. >> Avoid it.

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Tue May 05, 2009 2:56 pm

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Regy Rusty wrote:

If you didn't like Hotel Dusk, you will not like Time Hollow. Actually I'm surprised anyone likes Time Hollow. >> Avoid it.

You're joking, right? Time Hollow is arguably the best text adventure game after the Ace Attorney series from the past decade.

Another good text adventure game is theresia.. - Dear Emile -, though note it's rather mature and gory.

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Tue May 05, 2009 8:35 pm

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Bendilin wrote:

Regy Rusty wrote:

If you didn't like Hotel Dusk, you will not like Time Hollow. Actually I'm surprised anyone likes Time Hollow. >> Avoid it.

You're joking, right? Time Hollow is arguably the best text adventure game after the Ace Attorney series from the past decade.

Another good text adventure game is theresia.. - Dear Emile -, though note it's rather mature and gory.

Aye. I loved Time Hollow. It might just be because I'm bad at predicting stuff, but I loved the story x3

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Tue May 05, 2009 8:38 pm

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While I usually hate time travel stories because of how many plotholes the thing itself causes when not done perfectly, but I liked Time Hollow. It's not the best game ever, but it's not bad either. I preferred Shadow of Destiny though.

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Tue May 05, 2009 8:59 pm

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Just be warned that both Trace Memory and Time Hollow are both very short. They are definitely worth a play-through, but not worth a full $30. (I got my Trace Memory for $5 ^_^ I got Time Hollow when it came out, so I dunno how much it costs now.)

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Tue May 05, 2009 9:08 pm

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Bendilin wrote:

You're joking, right? Time Hollow is arguably the best text adventure game after the Ace Attorney series from the past decade.

God knows how surprised I was when I realised I had finished the whole game in a day.

Don't know why no-one seems to talk about it but the DS adaptation Broken Sword: Shadow of the Templars is a pretty solid game so far, and probably the most mature title in a while as well. Although at the same time I can't believe how shocking the humour gets sometimes, honestly this game is hilarious. Especially when the character portraits appear emotionless on the top screen and conversation goes like "Hey, have you seen this red nose somewhere before? "No, whose is it?" "I believe it belongs to an international assassin!" or something like that.

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Tue May 05, 2009 11:31 pm

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Broken Sword DS is great.

Time Hollow was mediocre though. I didn't like the writing really either, and considering it was a fairly restrictive, linear narrative, that kind of saps anything I could like from it. Calling it one of the best text adventure games isn't much of a stretch, considering how thinned out the genre is nowadays.

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Re: Hotel Dusk didn't do much for me

Tue May 05, 2009 11:41 pm

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well i guess there lux pain which is almost a text adventure actually i'm not sure what you consider it but it's probally close. It's a good game if you really like that whole dark mystery/japanese anime style ~~oh and lots of cute yao pairings~~ however be warned it can get very depressing also like a gazillion grammar errors it looks like they hired me for there editor seriously but other than that its fun and worth playing there's a lot of dialog and it pretty to the point the whole time

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Tue May 05, 2009 11:42 pm

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Lux-Pain is without a doubt a game that I would recommend anyone to avoid, all because of how awful it was localized.

For a dialogue-heavy game, that's a killer.

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Wed May 06, 2009 2:41 am

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Holy Hell wrote:

Broken Sword DS is great.

Holy shit a good game from UbiSoft I do not believe you.

Then again the remake is probably from their French studio, which has put out some quality titles. UNLIKE YOU, SHITTY MONTREAL ONE.

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Wed May 06, 2009 2:50 am

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Wrestler Hatman wrote:

Then again the remake is probably from their French studio, which has put out some quality titles.

Go, Beyond Good & Evil!

@Topic: I agree with avoiding Lux-Pain. The horrible localization destroys any atmosphere and suspense this title might have. A shame.

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Wed May 06, 2009 11:39 am

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Nick Bounty on PC. Gameplay is alot like Hotel Dusk. (yes i know, repeat)

Re: Hotel Dusk didn't do much for me

Wed May 06, 2009 8:53 pm

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Time Hollow had quite good visuals, but it was way too short for my taste. Also, Hotel Dusk was OK, I think its better than Time Hollow, but I wish the game was longer & didn't have an anti-climactic ending. I'm with ya all the way BBdoubleB.

Might look into Another Code since the sequels coming out soon & since Broken Sword helped make the Graphic Adventure genre supposedly, I will pick that one up soon too.

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Sun May 24, 2009 8:02 pm

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Re: Hotel Dusk didn't do much for me

Sun May 24, 2009 9:34 pm

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It sounds like you wanted more action, basically. I went into Hotel Dusk expecting the same thing, a really tense plot and some huge conspiratorial plot twist ending. What I got was more of a slow-paced, thoughtful mystery story that focused on character development. It's true that a lot of the story is completely unrelated to the main plot, but it's real purpose is to build on the backstories of it's world and develop the characters-you can learn a lot about Hyde through his interaction with the others. It's not constructed as a tight thriller story, and it's not really meant to be like that-once I realized that the game grew on me a lot. I would recommend trying the game once more, just focusing on the characters and dialogue.

If you want a more tense, gripping thriller though I recommend the SNES remake of super famicom detectice club pt. II. It's a mystery story that has some supernatural elements and an intense plot with some good twists. There was an english-version patch of it made by a translation group called demiforce.

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Mon May 25, 2009 12:17 pm

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Holy Hell wrote:

Time Hollow was mediocre though. I didn't like the writing really either, and considering it was a fairly restrictive, linear narrative, that kind of saps anything I could like from it. Calling it one of the best text adventure games isn't much of a stretch, considering how thinned out the genre is nowadays.

This.

Maybe I'm spoiled on AA, but I thought the characters in Time Hollow were horribly flat (did anyone REALLY care when the waitress who said two lines got into an accident after the time line shifted?) and the story was nowhere near interesting until the main villian showed up, who was in itself a disappointment:

Spoiler: Time Hollow

And yeah, I made the mistake of getting Lux-Pain. I heard the game had issues, but it was on sale for $20 so I got it, thinking it couldn't be THAT bad.

Whoops.

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Mon May 25, 2009 7:34 pm

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Time Hollow was pretty bland. I thought it started out alright, and I liked the music, but the characters were so underdeveloped and the plot so cliche.

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:

Spoiler: Time Hollow

Re: Hotel Dusk didn't do much for me

Tue May 26, 2009 9:30 pm

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There is also Profesor Layton, thoght it focuses on puzzles, leaving the exploration and plot aside. Anyway, its puzzles are great!

Anyway, I liked Time Holow. It is short, true, but it is a good game. Game play is very alike Ace Attorney. By the way, is there any other game for DS with this kind of gameplay? 3-D adventures like Hotel Dusk doesn't work to me... After about two hours I get stucked and can't progress. But thats me. Only me i think. the same happend with Trace Memory (Another Code).

Also, there is a PC Visual Novel in english, named Senior Year. It is for free, so it is worth playing. Google it.
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EDIT: I didn't have the opportunity to play this one yet, but I just found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBKDHgzwXo

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