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Where's... ... the Ultimate Spy/Agent who can make a weapon out of practically anything and has a really sharp wire in a ring that can be used to stab people?

Probably not openly going to high school :basil:


Actually he was openly going to highschool :basil:

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Where's... the Ultimate Gymnast who is so trained and athletic that they can easily avoid attacks?

That title's been taken.
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So I found a DR character sorter:

http://drsorter.tumblr.com/

I decided to try it and this is what I got

Spoiler: Top 10
1 Gundam Tanaka
2 Chihiro Fujisaki
3 Mikan Tsumiki
4 Fuyuhiko Kuzuryuu
5 Monokuma
6 Kazuichi Souda
7 Monomi
8 Sonia Nevermind
9 Celestia Ludenberg
10 Byakuya Togami


Somewhat accurate. I think I like Monomi more than Monokuma but overall the content of the Top 10 is fine, I guess. Everybody else I'm kind of indifferent about but this is the bottom

Spoiler: Worst
32 Hiyoko Saionji
33 Akane Owari
34 Hifumi Yamada
35 Mukuro Ikusaba
36 Leon Kuwata
37 Yasuhiro Hagakure
38 Junko Enoshima


Komaeda should probably be somewhere on there but I didn't mind his personality that much when he acted normal post-Chapter 1 so....yeah

I also want to say that something that bothered me about Hiyoko was that she kind of feels a little lazily written as a character. It was so clear that the writers just wanted a little girl character but they couldn't have that since the game was about high schoolers. They could've had a girl who skipped grades or a girl who's had to grow up with looking like a little girl but acts like a high schooler cause she is mature...but instead the writers just said, "Fuck it, she's a little girl."
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Difficult for me, majority of those characters I don't like. But it got the Top 3 right.

1. Fukawa Toko
2. Owari Akane
3. Togami Byakuya

And Kirigiri is at the very bottom.

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Kirigiri was next on my worst

You like Akane?
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You like Akane?


Yes. I am in love with Akane Owari.................. 's breasts.
Also like her appearance, it reminds me a bit of Shihna from Symphonia.

But as I said, for me, the only characters who are worth a damn for me are Togami, Fukawa/Genocider and Akane. Chihiro maybe at 4th place... the rest can go die. Especially Hagakure. :ron:

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No love for Gundham? You'll have to explain yourself.
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No love for Gundham? You'll have to explain yourself.


What's to say about him? He's... whacky character design. And Gundam. That's it. I like that he's an animal lover, but other than that, he's as forgettable and easy to ignore as the rest.

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Liking characters like Gundham and Sonia may have to do with their English VA's. Gundham has a great VA

He's not that complex as a character (he's not complex at all actually) but I love his design and in contrast to his talent, it's hilarious. He also has a great name. It sounds like the name of an anime. Plus his voice is just so hammy and over the top. He's pretty great. "THIS IS THE TANAKA EMPIRE!"
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Liking characters like Gundham and Sonia may have to do with their English VA's. Gundham has a great VA

He's not that complex as a character (he's not complex at all actually) but I love his design and in contrast to his talent, it's hilarious. He also has a great name. It sounds like the name of an anime. Plus his voice is just so hammy and over the top. He's pretty great. "THIS IS THE TANAKA EMPIRE!"


Well I never played DR2 in English, so I don't know their English voices.

And it's not "like" an anime, he literally his named after the Gundam series - only the localized version to an H in there to avoid copyright issues.

And the DR troupes just have the issue with me that I have with lots of characters - they are too exaggerated in terms of appearance. It's telling that my favorites are Togami, Fukawa and Akane, three of the more "normal" designed characters. (Genocier's tongue not counting)

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JesusMonroe wrote:
Liking characters like Gundham and Sonia may have to do with their English VA's. Gundham has a great VA

He's not that complex as a character (he's not complex at all actually) but I love his design and in contrast to his talent, it's hilarious. He also has a great name. It sounds like the name of an anime. Plus his voice is just so hammy and over the top. He's pretty great. "THIS IS THE TANAKA EMPIRE!"

Actually, I was playing with the Japanese audio, so his English VA had little to do with it. It was mainly the over-the-top hamminess, reminiscent of Hououin Kyouma (only more occult, less mad scientist), that won me over.

And while he may not be that complex of a character, there's at least one line of dialogue that implies he might understand more about the situation than one might think.

Spoiler: endgame
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It doesn’t matter that your temporary name is Hajime Hinata. Tell me your true name, fiend.


At the very least, he knew there was more to Hajime than met the eye. Perhaps that's why he killed Mechamaru. He didn't believe anyone would be truly killed off for real.

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My top list has a tie for first place to be fair

1.Komaeda and Gundam
2.Sonia
3.Genocider Syo
4.Fukawa and Junko
5.Ibuki.

Top people I hate are
1.Saionji
2.Naegi
3.Souda
4.Mahiru
5.Togami.
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You should probably listen to some of his English VA (maybe free time events?)

Spoiler: Chapter 4
Specifically his confrontation with Mechamaru at the end of the Chapter 4 class trial


I actually don't think I'd like Gundham or Sonia nearly as much if it weren't for there English VA's. I don't know if that says more about me or the characters

Also, I don't know why, but Kazuichi was way more likeable than Hagakure even though they're VERY similar characters

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Spoiler: Chapter 3 Question
During the PTA, Mikan keeps shouting "Draw on me!" I...didn't get it. Is this some kind of translation thing or...?
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During the PTA, Mikan keeps shouting "Draw on me!" I...didn't get it. Is this some kind of translation thing or...?


Um... drawing on her humiliates her and gives her attention?

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Why do so many people hate Togami? Yeah he's an ass, but in that situation it's quite pleasant to have an ass saying honest things.

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Danganronpa 3 is official. Here's the teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OrZxG2Io6A

This teaser really tells us nothing, except maybe we'll see Hope's Peak before the disaster and the game will be coming to the PS4 as well as the Vita (no date). Also, the trials are back.

No new characters are revealed at all right now; it appears that they are saving that for later so, instead, the trailer has various Monokuma variations replacing the characters. So I wouldn't say that Monomi, Shirokuma, or the cigar one are necessarily back, nor that DR3 is about Monokumas on trial.
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I know they're just doing it so they don't reveal the cast, but man, what if it was all Monokumas? I'd be down.

And also, I think that may be a different school entirely. At least it kinda looks like it.
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Danganronpa 3 is official. Here's the teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OrZxG2Io6A

This teaser really tells us nothing, except maybe we'll see Hope's Peak before the disaster and the game will be coming to the PS4 as well as the Vita (no date). Also, the trials are back.

No new characters are revealed at all right now; it appears that they are saving that for later so, instead, the trailer has various Monokuma variations replacing the characters. So I wouldn't say that Monomi, Shirokuma, or the cigar one are necessarily back, nor that DR3 is about Monokumas on trial.


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Here is the full trailer plus the rest of the conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrLqvh8H-z0

I want to know what exactly the final part was.
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Ah, so it is a new school. That's good, since Hope's Peak Academy already seems to be on the verge, if not already, of being overused.

Looks like there's a new game mechanic already announced too, "Discussion Slam". Hard to tell what it is, other than a new way to raise the tension during the trial (come to a conclusion within X minutes otherwise you fall down?).

Some people seem to think that fuzzy image is of Junko. But honestly, I hope that isn't true. In my opinion, she's already overused. Someone else would be more interesting to me.

Spoiler: DR1 and 2 major spoilers
She is kind of dead. And they can't make her a computer program again.


(btw, I haven't gotten through Ultra Despair Girls yet; early in chapter 2 so far. I'll give some impressions about that later)
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This teaser really tells us nothing, except maybe we'll see Hope's Peak before the disaster


If it is, I hope they can finally give me a decent answer on why a school shooting caused the entire world to succumb to despair. (Oh, it likely isn't the school? Ah...)

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Some people seem to think that fuzzy image is of Junko. But honestly, I hope that isn't true. In my opinion, she's already overused.


The problem with Junko isn't that she's overused... it's the fact that she was bland, annoying and kinda boring to begin with, so using her again was a bad idea.

Spoiler: DR General Spoilers
You know, boring for a villain. :javado:


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Spoiler: DR1 and DR2
I guess I'm in a minority then, cause Junko was my favorite part of each game, and if she's not in DR3, I'll be pretty disappointed.


Also holy shit this was a bad thread to come into halfway through UDG. Excited either way though. This was the series that I enjoyed enough that it retroactively made me realize that my favorite game's plot is really not that great in comparison.
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Spoiler: DR1 and DR2
I guess I'm in a minority then, cause Junko was my favorite part of each game, and if she's not in DR3, I'll be pretty disappointed.


Also holy shit this was a bad thread to come into halfway through UDG. Excited either way though. This was the series that I enjoyed enough that it retroactively made me realize that my favorite game's plot is really not that great in comparison.


Spoiler: Problem With Junko
The problem with Junko, particularly as a villain, is that... she's not very interesting. Her gimmick was to imitate the other characters, which... well, considering that the characters can be annoying themselves, having someone who repeatedly switches to and between them over and over... it loses its appeal very fast.

Other than that, what was her character? Her personality? Her reason for doing anything? She had none! She wanted to spread Despair around, as if it was an actual disease people can catch, which it actually isn't. And what she did was not very despair-spreading to me. She didn't make them despair, she made the characters act irrationally by playing up the fact that they are stupid kids.

And the fact that Junko was smooshed to pancakes in the first game just makes me wonder when she was made into a computer virus. Or was it mentioned that it was a precautionary plan, I forget... Either way, she's the same villain as she was in the first game.


The problem with Junko is the same as with having Ganondorf as your villain in every Zelda game. It got boring because Ganondorf had no personality or background left to discover. And no, Wind Waker did a terrible attempt at giving him a sympathetic one and Skyward had a stupid reason that I don't count. Bla bla, curse, bla bla, reincarnation.

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Eh, while I disagree with the overall feeling, those are all very good points and I understand why you see things the way you do.

Spoiler: DR, ZE, and AA
I like her having no reason. It was probably my favorite part of the whole thing. I guess the whole "imitating characters" thing went totally over my head, cause I don't remember that. I remember her having different personalities but that's it.

There was also the fact that the mastermind was not only actually a villain, but their identity totally caught me off guard. I think I need to compare it a bit to ZE, since that's the series it dethroned for me, and AA, because third favorite series and goddamn if I'm not gonna shoe-horn it in here somewhere. Well, everything pre-AJ at least.

In 999, every single piece of dialogue with Akane basically reads as "I'm zero i'm zero i'm zero i'm zero i'm zero", and in AA, the villains are either hilariously obviously evil (Von Karma, Engarde, Tigre, Ini/Mimi) or just kinda... Not villains (Acro, Godot). While I realize that Monokuma=Junko is basically thrown in your face once or twice before the 5th case, I still never noticed until a second playthrough.

So maybe it's less of me loving her character and more of having really fond memories associated with her.


Well, that, and the cosplayers are usually hot, but I don't think that counts.

I was thinking about how much of her motivations / methodologies were revealed in IF/Zero, but it's not fair to say read those. You can't point to supplementary material, even if it does give answers, because it's the game's job to answer those questions in the first place.
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It's pretty obvious that Junko won't be making an appearance any more since she is dead and her AI is gone. Also DR:AE proves it

Spoiler: DR:AE
During the end credits, it is confirmed that Monaca is Junko's successor. Also from the looks of the game. I believe that it will take place in Towa city, which further proves my point
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Also, that's the second time I've just walked into a UDG spoiler. That's totally on me, and I need to get the fuck out of this thread until I finish the game.
Spoil me once, shame on you.
Spoil me twice, I'm a dumbass for clicking everything without thinking. That's actually how I saw my first three Goatses, you know? But after the third time, you stop being grossed out and become fascinated with just how far that man can stretch his asshole.
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Ugh, honestly fuck Junko. I hated her in the first game and the way she was shoehorned in the second was so much worse--pandering to the point where it hurt the story

Spoiler: DR vs. ZE
The writing in the game isn't even comparable to me. Just some examples to throw similarities

-Making Junko the villain is the equivalent of having Zero in 999 be someone outside of the 9 characters. That's a shitty twist in of itself, but to make it shittier, it's like making it Akane's twin sister

-In DR, Alter Ego is stolen, making them conclude that there's a mole for the mastermind. Ok, fine. However, it's revealed that Celeste stole it at the end of the chapter and...the characters still think there's a traitor. Why? Then Sakura is revealed to be the traitor and all the characters feel so betrayed. Why? She didn't betray them. In 999, Zero does shit like installing the hardware on the RED--gives the characters a reason to think there's a traitor

-In DR2, there's another traitor (which I'm assuming roughly 0% of players didn't figure out was Chiaki). Again, the traitor does nothing but the characters feel betrayed by the traitor (the traitor doing nothing makes more sense with the plot, but the characters feeling betrayed by her still makes little sense). Zero doesn't do anything in VLR, which is a huge clue that Zero is Sigma

-Luna vs. Mikan. In VLR, I was so suspicious of Luna because she was too nice. It ended up being because she was a nice person. I liked Mikan, too, and riding off of ZE's coattails, I assumed she'd be nice as well. Nope. Yandere. Of course

-Zero is Sigma/Hajime is Izuru. Sigma is Zero because he's trying to save the world. That makes sense with the Sigma we knew. Hajime apparently admired Hope's Peak so much that he basically killed himself to become a different person and then he became evil

-The endings to both games....don't need to go in depth here

-The characters...don't need to go in depth here

-The world ended. In VLR, it's hinted at VERY strongly the entire game. In DR, it's completely out of nowhere

-Twists. ZE has twists that have the story make sense. DR has twists that make the story fall apart


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I guess the whole "imitating characters" thing went totally over my head, cause I don't remember that. I remember her having different personalities but that's it.


That was the imitating. Cutesy-Pigtails was Asahina, Shroom-Growing was Fukawa, Large Tongue was Genocider (how could you not get this one?) and the Crown-On-Head was Togami.

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You can't point to supplementary material, even if it does give answers, because it's the game's job to answer those questions in the first place.


THANK YOU! THANK YOU, I LOVE YOU! I am SO GLAD that I finally found someone who shares my goddamn opinion on supplementary reading material NOT being taken seriously cause... if it's so freaking, bloody important PUT IT INTO THE GAME! Or, if you honestly could not find a way to force it into the game, put the material in WITH the game, so that I open the box and see "Oh, a mini-novel? It might be important to the story, okay, it says Spoilers so I won't read it until after I finish the game".

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Spoiler: DR:AE
During the end credits, it is confirmed that Monaca is Junko's successor.


Oh god, is she a copy like the mastermind or has a decent personality of her own?

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It's a Dead Herring. :ron:

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During the end credits, it is confirmed that Monaca is Junko's successor.


Oh god, is she a copy like the mastermind or has a decent personality of her own?



Her personality is more dark and sinister compared to Junko. I liked her personality

Spoiler: DR:AE
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During the end credits, it is confirmed that Monaca is Junko's successor.


Oh god, is she a copy like the mastermind or has a decent personality of her own?



Her personality is more dark and sinister compared to Junko. I liked her personality



I ain't clicking video links, use your words. :redd:

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@Cat: Pssh! Too lazy for that shit xP you click, gata.
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@Cat: Pssh! Too lazy for that shit xP you click, gata.


Bitch, don't tell me what to do. :ron:

If you can't explain a character appropriately, it makes the character seem pretty forgettable or bland.

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@Cat: Pssh! Too lazy for that shit xP you click, gata.


Bitch, don't tell me what to do. :ron:

If you can't explain a character appropriately, it makes the character seem pretty forgettable or bland.

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I just did xP

I would explain it, but heading to work at this very moment. Plus I suck at explaining most of the times >.>
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@Cat: Pssh! Too lazy for that shit xP you click, gata.


Bitch, don't tell me what to do. :ron:

If you can't explain a character appropriately, it makes the character seem pretty forgettable or bland.

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I'll answer. She's just as bland and annoying as Junko, except she's a little kid so it's even more stupid
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@Cat: Pssh! Too lazy for that shit xP you click, gata.


Bitch, don't tell me what to do. :ron:

If you can't explain a character appropriately, it makes the character seem pretty forgettable or bland.

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I'll answer. She's just as bland and annoying as Junko, except she's a little kid so it's even more stupid


Stop being biased xP
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I'll answer. She's just as bland and annoying as Junko, except she's a little kid so it's even more stupid


:larry: Why can't people realize that making a kid a villain doesn't automatically make them scarier!?

Ciel is more a villanous protagonist, he definitely does do things (or tells Sebastian to do things) that are considered bad, but there it IS kind of scary. Cause you are told about the torture he went through and why he's pretty fucked up. And considering it takes place in Victorian England, with the idea that such things actually WERE somewhat occuring at the time, just makes it realistically creepy.

And, as pointed out, I have no realistic or ANY reason why Junko is the way she is, so I can't find her creepy.

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I've only seen once child villain done well--Pride in FMAB, and that only worked because he wasn't actually a child. He was a monster
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Sorry, she's a shitty character used to propel a shitty plot
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Stop being biased xP

Sorry, she's a shitty character used to propel a shitty plot


Honestly I didn't see what was wrong with Junko's character or the plot I mean everything seemed to fall into place with DR 2 and DR:AE gave a good explanation of the backstory.

Spoiler: DR:AE ending
Monaca and Towa Group were the reason for all the Monokumas being built from the very beginning while Junko put her plans into action. As for the air becoming toxic, Towa Group was also the reason for that and also the ones who created solution to purify the air.
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Spoiler: My reaction to news of DR3
Whatever.

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Who?
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I've only seen once child villain done well--Pride in FMAB, and that only worked because he wasn't actually a child. He was a monster
Does that still count as a spoiler?
The problem I see with making a child the main villain is that, well, it's a freaking kid. How did they even achieve what they did throughout without someone older than them putting them in their place? If the answer is they outsmarted them, they usually don't display that level of intelligence during the main story. If the answer is they had others do their bidding, those others usually don't have properly justified reasons to do so. And if the answer is they're some genetically enhanced to gain enormous strength, the narrative usually doesn't focus on that and instead focuses on demonizing the government. So what's DR:AE's excuse? How do they justify a kid being the main villain?
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Does that still count as a spoiler?

Probably. But I figured if I said "I've only seen a child villain done well once. FMAB SPOILERS", then it would be the same thing. It's old enough, I guess

Even though Pride isn't technically human, if he was, he'd still probably be the best child villain I've seen because he does fit the criteria you listed. He's NOT the main villain. He still generally submits to Wrath and Kimblee, and he has a personality beyond being evil and...prideful
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How do they justify a kid being the main villain?


The same way they justified Junko being the main villain--they don't
Spoiler: AE
A little girl is so despair-ful that she can convince people to kill themselves, start wars, lead her parents' industry to manufacture killing machines, etc. You get the idea. It's stupid even for Danganronpa

But oooooh, curses! She's so much smarter than she lets on! Damn, isn't she smart and manipulative! Isn't she smart, manipulative, and scary?!?! Do you see the swastikas in her eyes?!?! Isn't it scary? Isn't it evil?!?!?!?!?! *shoves Monaca down sumguy's throat* ISN'T SHE?!?!?!?! ISN'T SHE?!?!?!?!


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JesusMonroe wrote:
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How do they justify a kid being the main villain?

The same way they justified Junko being the main villain--they don't

A little girl is so despair-ful that she can convince people to kill themselves, start wars, lead her parents' industry to manufacture killing machines, etc. You get the idea. It's stupid even for Danganronpa

But oooooh, curses! She's so much smarter than she lets on! Damn, isn't she smart and manipulative! Isn't she smart, manipulative, and scary?!?! Do you see the swastikas in her eyes?!?! Isn't it scary? Isn't it evil?!?!?!?!?! *shoves Monaca down sumguy's throat* ISN'T SHE?!?!?!?! ISN'T SHE?!?!?!?!


Well actually she was the one who built the Monokuma's since she was in charge of that section of the industry. Also put your stuff on spoilers since the game came out recently after all.

Also I doubt the intention was for her eyes to me swastikas. Your biased judgement is leading you to believe that. I thought it was more like a circuit board or something of that extent.
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