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Not to say that the game is guaranteed to be super awesome amazing, but it seemed kinda silly to me to discount everything shown so far just on a minorly irritating point.
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What irritates me is that the friend code system is bare-bones. It's like they threw that in to protect themselves, but won't expand on it and offer options to the gamers who'd like to fight with the same online opponents if they don't already know them from outside the web.
Hell, just hosting a friend code repertory would help!
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This isn't a pure character addition.
This one is obvious; standard Samus was in both previous games.
Rather, under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit. Whoa! That's a woman under there!
I think this is a reference to what happens in Metroid: Zero Mission. Not how she will work in Brawl.
Naturally, Zero Suit Samus loses power and stamina, so she should fight using the speed she gains instead.
This is just a contrast to Samus WITH her power suit.
Also, her gun transforms and can be used as a whip. Of the two, one might consider the whip to be her main weapon.
And don't worry—you'll still be able to play as standard Samus, too.
This seems to imply that you can play as either, not that standard Samus changes into Zero Suit Samus.
As for the transformation in the movie, I'm putting that down to dramatic effect. After all, we see Metaknight and Pit enter without their super attacks, why suddenly use Samus's? Also, Mario's Link's and Kirby's attacks all looked like they could be directly from gameplay (albeit with more dramatic camera angles) while Samus's blast was CLEARLY not (All gameplay takes place in a two dimensional plane. It would not be possible for her to fire Pit and Metaknight at that angle!)
I would also like to point out that I feel that it would be detrimental to gameplay to have a permanent transformation. If a character prefers standard Samus over Zero Suit Samus, that player is at a disadvantage, as he or she has to either forgo super attacks or play with a disliked character.
In light of all this, I think it far more likely that both standard Samus and Zero Suit Samus will be regular characters, selectable at the character select screen.
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Sakurai wrote:
This isn't a pure character addition.
Rather, under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit. Whoa! That's a woman under there!
Naturally, Zero Suit Samus loses power and stamina, so she should fight using the speed she gains instead.
Also, her gun transforms and can be used as a whip. Of the two, one might consider the whip to be her main weapon.
Rather, under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit. Whoa! That's a woman under there!
Naturally, Zero Suit Samus loses power and stamina, so she should fight using the speed she gains instead.
Also, her gun transforms and can be used as a whip. Of the two, one might consider the whip to be her main weapon.
If she was being considered a seperate character, They wouldn't have used such phrases that describe an in-game transformation/alteration on such a repetitive scale. Maybe once or twice, to describe that they're both the same character at the core, but the way it's done certainly describes that they're really one-in-the-same in the game.
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And don't worry—you'll still be able to play as standard Samus, too.
This seems to imply that you can play as either, not that standard Samus changes into Zero Suit Samus.
This seems to imply that you can play as either, not that standard Samus changes into Zero Suit Samus.
As for this line, it seems more like reassurance that the original Samus wouldn't be thrown out altogether, or that there may be a way to reverse a Samus-to-ZSS transformation.
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As for the transformation in the movie, I'm putting that down to dramatic effect. After all, we see Metaknight and Pit enter without their super attacks, why suddenly use Samus's? Also, Mario's Link's and Kirby's attacks all looked like they could be directly from gameplay (albeit with more dramatic camera angles) while Samus's blast was CLEARLY not (All gameplay takes place in a two dimensional plane. It would not be possible for her to fire Pit and Metaknight at that angle!)
This one is hard to peg down, but given the fact that this game adds several new options to gameplay, what's to say that Samus's Smash attack (and those of select others, where applicable) won't jump to another location, perform their attack, then rejoin the fight? We know that characters can exist on different planes from where the fight is taking place (such as when a character is K.O.ed in an upward direction, to which they'll either hit the background or the screen), so it isn't impossible to consider that they could use such programming for some smash attacks.
Or maybe, the trailer merely exaggurated Samus's location for dramatic effect, much like the camera angles, to give her a more threatening introduction. She is a bounty hunter, after all, so a sneak attack wouldn't be entirely out of character for someone like her.
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I would also like to point out that I feel that it would be detrimental to gameplay to have a permanent transformation. If a character prefers standard Samus over Zero Suit Samus, that player is at a disadvantage, as he or she has to either forgo super attacks or play with a disliked character.
Consider it like Zelda and Sheik from Melee. If a player doesn't like one, B+Down is a useless combination to them. Likewise, if someone doesn't like Samus or ZSS, simply avoiding the Smash Coins is a simple matter. Sure, it limits their gameplay to an extent, but it's really no different than Sheik/Zelda was, though on a slightly larger scale.
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In light of all this, I think it far more likely that both standard Samus and Zero Suit Samus will be regular characters, selectable at the character select screen.
Samus is a definate. Zero Suit Samus, not so much, especially if they go the route of Zelda/Sheik, as stated above.
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It would make sense.
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Mario: Giant Fireball
Link: Triforce-slashy attack
Kirby: Cook power
Wario: Wario Waft
Samus: Giant Beam o' death
Metaknight: ???
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
That might've been true, if not for some rather obvious contradictions to your thoughts. I'll point out what I mean, exactly.
If she was being considered a seperate character, They wouldn't have used such phrases that describe an in-game transformation/alteration on such a repetitive scale. Maybe once or twice, to describe that they're both the same character at the core, but the way it's done certainly describes that they're really one-in-the-same in the game.
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This isn't a pure character addition.
Rather, under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit. Whoa! That's a woman under there!
Naturally, Zero Suit Samus loses power and stamina, so she should fight using the speed she gains instead.
Also, her gun transforms and can be used as a whip. Of the two, one might consider the whip to be her main weapon.
Rather, under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit. Whoa! That's a woman under there!
Naturally, Zero Suit Samus loses power and stamina, so she should fight using the speed she gains instead.
Also, her gun transforms and can be used as a whip. Of the two, one might consider the whip to be her main weapon.
If she was being considered a seperate character, They wouldn't have used such phrases that describe an in-game transformation/alteration on such a repetitive scale. Maybe once or twice, to describe that they're both the same character at the core, but the way it's done certainly describes that they're really one-in-the-same in the game.
First of all, all of the character pages include some background info on the character before the information on how they will work in Brawl. This seems to be what the first two statements comprise. As for the gun transformation, how does that have anything to do with anything? The gun referenced here is not the arm cannon. It's the gun that we see ZSS holding in the screenshots, and the one she wields in Zero Mission (although that one didn't turn into a whip). I'll concede the point about "loses power and stamina" and "gains speed," but I still don't think it's impossible that this is just a contrast to standard Samus.
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As for the transformation in the movie, I'm putting that down to dramatic effect. After all, we see Metaknight and Pit enter without their super attacks, why suddenly use Samus's? Also, Mario's Link's and Kirby's attacks all looked like they could be directly from gameplay (albeit with more dramatic camera angles) while Samus's blast was CLEARLY not (All gameplay takes place in a two dimensional plane. It would not be possible for her to fire Pit and Metaknight at that angle!)
This one is hard to peg down, but given the fact that this game adds several new options to gameplay, what's to say that Samus's Smash attack (and those of select others, where applicable) won't jump to another location, perform their attack, then rejoin the fight? We know that characters can exist on different planes from where the fight is taking place (such as when a character is K.O.ed in an upward direction, to which they'll either hit the background or the screen), so it isn't impossible to consider that they could use such programming for some smash attacks.
Or maybe, the trailer merely exaggurated Samus's location for dramatic effect, much like the camera angles, to give her a more threatening introduction. She is a bounty hunter, after all, so a sneak attack wouldn't be entirely out of character for someone like her.
Another thing that I would like to point out: None of the other character entries are realistic. Will Metaknight have extra controll over the Halberd? Almost certainly not. Will Pit be able to hover and shoot at the same time? Possible, but unlikely. Will Wario get to ride his motorcycle into battle? Probably not. Therefore, I must conclude that ZSS's entry was more for drama than as a preview for a game mechanic.
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I would also like to point out that I feel that it would be detrimental to gameplay to have a permanent transformation. If a character prefers standard Samus over Zero Suit Samus, that player is at a disadvantage, as he or she has to either forgo super attacks or play with a disliked character.
Consider it like Zelda and Sheik from Melee. If a player doesn't like one, B+Down is a useless combination to them. Likewise, if someone doesn't like Samus or ZSS, simply avoiding the Smash Coins is a simple matter. Sure, it limits their gameplay to an extent, but it's really no different than Sheik/Zelda was, though on a slightly larger scale.
Here, you fail to take into account one thing that Zelda/Sheik has that the proposed Samus would not: versitility. Zelda/Sheik gives up power (no down-B attack) in exchange for versitility (ability to switch characters on the fly). The switching ability would cause Samus to lose consistency, but what would she gain?
I would also like to point out that the transformation just seems arbitrary. Why just have Samus transform? If it was a mechanic shared by several characters, it would make more sense, but we have no evidence of that. Besides, if they did have just one character transform upon using their smash attack, why choose Samus? We only play as ZSS once, in Zero Mission. Why not choose Link, who has multiple transformations across several games? We could see Wolf Link, Young Link, or any of the Majora's Mask transformations (Fierce Deity Link would be AWESOME). There's even Bunny Link from Link to the Past.
It's unlikely that we'll see eye to eye on this matter (although I do love a friendly debate). I guess we'll just have to wait for the game. (For the record, I think the transformation could be pretty cool, but only if it's done well.)
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Now, as for Samus, here's my thing: Super Smash Attacks seem to have different kinds of effects. For instance, Mario's takes up a specific area of the stage in front of him. Link's and Kirby's only affect one character, however. What's to say that Samus's doesn't affect a certain area in the middle of the stage by jumping into the background? It could be extremely powerful, with the strange side effect of destroying the armor temporarily. Maybe you even have to pick the pieces back up before you can transform back! Who knows?
The Wario Waft, actually, I think that's a regular B move. But I could be wrong.
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I'd have to argue otherwise. If that were the case, then every character in SSBM would have clones a la Roy Marth, would team up Ice Climbers Style, and Transform Zelda Sheik style.
I think it's perfectly fine to have a mechanic that's unique to a particular character.
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Interesting. I think it's unlikely that Samus will jump into the background for her attack, because that means that every stage would have to always have a place in the background for her to jump to. This has been discounted already, as the video shows portions of the Halberd level in which there is nowhere for her to stand.
There's always a way around such limitations. For example, Samus could summon that orange ship of hers, and use it as a stand when there isn't anything to stand on in the background.
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Interesting. I think it's unlikely that Samus will jump into the background for her attack, because that means that every stage would have to always have a place in the background for her to jump to. This has been discounted already, as the video shows portions of the Halberd level in which there is nowhere for her to stand.
There's always a way around such limitations. For example, Samus could summon that orange ship of hers, and use it as a stand when there isn't anything to stand on in the background.
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I think that more characters will transform in one way or another. It's just that it was such a popular mechanic in Brawl, and allows for more complexity with the transforming character. Honestly, though, it feels kinda like getting cheated out of something.
It's gonna be hard for Nintendo to really include all the popular characters, and I really wouldn't be surprised if someone like Link was relegated to his current moveset, instead of being given a much bigger range, as would be appropriate.
That being said, a good character for transformation would be Megaman (here's hoping the Blue Bomber is included). Down and B would make him change the weapon he's using (maybe even to a random weapon), thus influencing a different B move, or even all of his B moves. If Kirby eats him, he only gets the one Megaman is currently using, and a helmet color to match.
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It's very difficult to make him into a playable character, but what about a powerup?
Now I've never played any of the Super Smash Bros games, and I've only seen the two trailers of SSBB, but perhaps Phoenix could be a collectible item on the battlefield, a coin with his face on or something. When the coin is taken, then whenever someone uses one of those really powerful attacks (like Mario had his fireball wall, Zelda had the Triforce slash and Kirby cooked the opponents), the player could then use the coin to shout out "Objection!" and stop the really powerful move.
That probably made no sense, so I'll try and make some pictures to explain what I'm talking about.
This would be the item. The item randomly appears somewhere in the arena.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c154/ ... hibitA.png
And in this picture, Link has used that Triforce move that traps Mario. Lets say Mario previously collected an Attorney's Badge. Mario would use that item during the special move, and this would happen.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c154/ ... hibitB.png
The special attack immediately ends, and any damage made during the special attack is ignored, and the game continues as normal.
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But have a random selection between Phoenix Edgey Karma(from GS1) and Payne.
Except Paynes objection fails miserably making the item useless.
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the two i'd most like to see on SSBB are
Shelly de Killer
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they've both prob been mentioned before though.
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Regarding Samus: Everything that was shown in the first trailer reflected actual gameplay elements (Pit separating his bow, MetaKnight's inviso-cloak, the Wario Waft, etc), so why would Samus' transformation be the one thing to break this trend? They sure as hell didn't throw in that massive cannon blast just for cinematic effect. It's up in the air whether that shot was her "Brawl Attack" (for lack of a better term), but it showed quite clearly that ZSS emerges from the regular power suit. This in addition to Sakurai's comments on the smash bros page (He already admitted that ZSS was not a "new character addition") all points to Samus having two forms in the same selectable character. How you switch between the two still isn't known, and we'll have to wait for new information before the answer to that question comes around.
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Pit can separate the halves of his bow, which gives him two completely different fighting styles.
Actually, it seems to me that Pit seperates the halves of his bow and uses the twin blades most of the time, only combining them for special moves, like of course, firing the bow. So really, that's only 2 who have distinct fighting styles. Plus we still don't even know if Zelda/Shiek will return. They probably will, but still.
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Anders wrote:
Pit can separate the halves of his bow, which gives him two completely different fighting styles.
Actually, it seems to me that Pit seperates the halves of his bow and uses the twin blades most of the time, only combining them for special moves, like of course, firing the bow. So really, that's only 2 who have distinct fighting styles. Plus we still don't even know if Zelda/Shiek will return. They probably will, but still.
Agreed, if you watch Pit in battle the bow goes into 'Bow' mode while he's running, but when he starts slashing it goes into blade mode, not transition or nothing.
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I agree: simplicity is the name of the game. Of course, people will discover ways of making it complex, but until then, it's a Hell of a lot easier than playing most other fighting games. Actually, that's why I think Ryu would make an awful addition. It goes against both games' principles.
But that's just what I think.
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I don't know who half of them are...
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Megaman and Sonic? XD
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it sounds like rubbish
though the character selection screen i saw looks official
they are all the characters i saw
*i don't see how tom nook will be able to fight...
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Have you taken a close look? Like at the text etc? Are you sure none of it looks like it's been edited?
EDIT: To me, the text doesn't look right. Take a look at Link Wind Waker. Would the official game really put the Link part on top of the picture because it doesn't fit? Plus the quality of the pictures and text looks different to the bottom half of the screenshot, the part which shows what characters have been selected.
EDIT 2: On closer inspection, I can see the spaces for selected characters (don't know the actual name) on the bottom half of the page, and it's just one of them pasted four times right next to each other. Look at the bottom right corner of each one. There's a light blue right angled triangle, and the pattern doesn't connect with the others.
EDIT 3: This is pretty much an expansion of Edit 2. The fourth box is slightly lower than the other three. Now why would that be? Perhaps because it was edited? I've tried editing with paint lots of times, and the occasional little slip has made me place pieces a pixel or two off.
That seems a
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Yeah, It'd definitely make 100 man/15 minute melee a little more interesting at least :3
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i did not fake any screenshot
also
i see what you mean...
i don't know who half those people were,
and Tom Nook fighting is something I can not see happening
honestly
anyway
Miis fighting wud b kl
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Not even mentioning the extremely bad copy/paste job on most of the "unknown" characters. Dixie Kong's mugshot is the same mugshot they used for DKC3.
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it does look terrible, and i didn't look carefully enough
also, Marth looks like the same Marth from SSBM
(for brawl, i would expect more detail)
But!
I didn't make it, or even give it a second glance
i hope marth does return though...
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Ultra, you can stop apologizing. Plenty of people fall for these kinds of things all the time, but now you're wiser for the wear, right?
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