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Coming to ramble here to release caffeine steam and because I loved both these gamesss

Didn't read back much because the thread is huge and I finished the game late because I only recently got a 3DS for Christmas, buuuut

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I'm about 95% sure about that one theory that people have been coming up with about Alice becoming ALLICE via time travel/freezing pod being true. It just makes so much sense, considering the things that have popped up in the series. Like there was that whole thing with the books in the archives, the first referring to how the morphogenetic fields were used in the first game, then the second about VLR, and the third most likely hinting at the main plot point behind the third game. I think it was either something about time travel or transferring psyches or something. Then Alice says something about how maybe she actually is ALLICE but doesn't remember it, and maybe she doesn't remember it because it hasn't actually happened to her yet and it creates some bizarre time loop like how VLR is with what Sigma's trying to accomplish. But anyway, I'm not convinced that Ice-9 was brought up for no reason in 999. Because, really, it didn't add much to that game, and it was barely mentioned in VLR, but it was treated as if it was super important, and I assume it's so that when it comes back in the third game, it'll feel like a big twist or something. It's kind of hard to connect it to Radical-6, but hey, they both have numbers so that's something, right? ... Right? Well, the game's creator seems pretty good at connecting things that don't seem to make sense at first glance, so who knows. If Alice actually does end up frozen and sent back to before the first game I will flip, but considering how the past two games have played out, all predictions are probably going to be wrong and they're going to pull something off that is going to surprise everyone.


... I'm really sorry if that didn't make any sense. My brain is just all over the place at the moment.
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I really need to buy a 3DS. Just hate the whole region lock thing so don't know what to do.


You should get one anyway. I hate the region block with a bloody passion (because, really, it's pointless and doesn't help anyone), but there are at least 5 really good games on it at the moment, and like 7 more that are confirmed to come out in the near future. It's doing ten times better than the Vita. Plus, I'm sure hackers will eventually find a way to break the region lock. Really, I've never seen so many people actually supporting hackers and piraters until Nintendo decided to be stupid and go "HERPDERP, LET'S MAKE PEOPLE MAD WITH REGION BLOCK". And as soon as there's a way around the region block (and I'm almost certain that day will come) I'm hopping onto it.
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I imagine Junpei thought there were more important things to worry about, such as figuring out where the Number 9 door is. He will need to get his priorities straight. :yogi:


More important things than the suspicious emotionally unbalanced person getting hold of a weapon?

Anyway I got....the submarine ending...

WHAT'S GOING ON?!?!
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Is there anyone who played both 999 and Virtue's Last Reward and could answer one question of mine?

I played 999 and got all the endings, but I have to say that.. that I was really disappointed.
Spoiler: ending
At first I loved the game, and expected everything to be very... well... logical. But when the paranormal stuff appeared, and the morphogenetic fields were explained in detail, I started disliking the game. The idea maybe wasn't that bad, but I honestly dislike logic with parallel worlds and things like that.


My question is, how much is Virtue's Last Reward "logic" similar to the one in 999? Will a person like me, that was like "oh god, no" at the 999 endings be able to play, like and finish this game?
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Well, you know about the timeline mechanic in VLR? It's not just there for convenience. I won't spoil more than that.

But, unlike 999, there aren't random theories thrown out there that seem to be pointless as you go along in VLR. Like Ice-9: it was hinting that the morphogenetic field had affected it, but you didn't know anything about the field at the time so it was kind of a "so what" situation. Such things don't happen in VLR, which I think is a good thing.

Not to say that strange things don't get mentioned, but they're mostly not paranormal at all.

The ending to VLR is a lot more confusing than 999, but if you think it through it makes sense.

By the way, even though the morphogenetic field is very much fictional, it still operates under logic. If you want me to explain further, I can.

Also, if you didn't read the official Q&A for 999, you might want to do so here: http://www.aksysgames.com/999/answers
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Well, I do understand the 999 endings, I know they do make sense...
Spoiler: I really have to write something here to make the spoiler work? xD Yea, I'm new here
I just expected something different when I started playing (I haven't read any spoilers before playing) and was disappointed by the way it developed from something that looked a bit like psychological thriller/criminal story into a "oh god, my poor brain" story with paranormal elements.

Does VLR have really strange paranormal things like "solve a sudoku to give the info about it to a girl in the past that actually probably died because of not solving it herself"?
If there are only some theories then I'm ok with it as long as they are not used in a strange manner like this one.

Timeline mechanic? Well, I just googled it xD Looks like a really good and helpful thing, makes me want to go get the game :o
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Well, in a sense VLR has something like that. However, the reason VLR's nonary game exists makes perfect sense, even if understanding why can be confusing. I'll just say that the game doesn't just benefit an individual this time.

And yes, VLR would be extremely difficult to get through without the timeline mechanic. It's quite a bit bigger than 999.
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Hm... well, I have to say this game got me interested but I'm not sure if I will like it enough to pay for it. The things that I didn't like are still present form what you told me, so I don't feel like buying it now >.>

I guess that I will wait some time and hope that one of my friends gets it so I can borrow it then xD
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Don't get me wrong, I really do like VLR. I'm just having a hard time expressing it well because I'm trying to avoid spoilers. I'm sure you'll enjoy it more than 999.

The things you disliked are still there because it's part of the series, but I'd say they aren't so prominent as to ruin your experience. Also, those paranormal things you mentioned feel more like sci-fi in VLR.

By the way, there's only one save slot, just like 999. And because of the timeline, you need to start on a clean save. Otherwise you'll see too much on the timeline, some things that shouldn't happen on a clean save will happen, and you can get past story locks you shouldn't be able to get past. So unless one of your friends is ok with that, you should get your own copy. If you're still concerned, there's always pre-owned.
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Well, getting this game pre-owned or not is a bit hard and expensive for me for two reasons:
Firstly: It's a really recently released game.
Secondly: It's non existent in my country (srsly, no one distributes it here, it isn't in any local store, or even online store, or even our biggest auction site, no games like this in Poland).

So I really have to choose wisely how to use my money here. There is even no guarantee that this game will get cheaper as time passes, 999 still costs a lot (at least everywhere where it's available for me).

Anyway, one of my friends is getting it and he said that... I can play it with him xD
I will have a 2 week winter holiday in a month so I guess that I will just... stalk him >.>
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Ah, that sounds like a good plan! Just remember, the game is around 30 hours long, IIRC.
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Pierre wrote:
blahmoomoo wrote:
I imagine Junpei thought there were more important things to worry about, such as figuring out where the Number 9 door is. He will need to get his priorities straight. :yogi:


More important things than the suspicious emotionally unbalanced person getting hold of a weapon?

Anyway I got....the submarine ending...

WHAT'S GOING ON?!?!


Mwahahahahaha. Mwahahahahaha. Mwahahahahaha.

My favorite ending in 999. Puzzled me so much !

I'm putting a small spoiler than really isn't a spoiler....
Spoiler: Sub ending
Well, it's never really explained in the game. Not even in VLR


I've just thought of something....

Spoiler: Sub ending + entire VLR story
I've been thinking... what if the sub ending was explained in the 3rd game? What if the person killing you is actually someone from FTS? The things is, everybody gets killed during that ending, and maybe that's because someone wanted to avoid the Nonary Game to happen (and Junpei to access the morphogeneti field...). We know that Junpei will be in the 3rd game, and he already appeared in the two first games. That makes him a pretty central character, doesn't it?

Maybe that ending is actually a split timeline, similar to VLR's timelines?
What if that ending was actually part of Akane's plan? And remember how Akane tells Junpei he's already traveled to the past at the end of VLR(iirc)? Do you think she's talking about that ending ?


Well, I know I'm sorta grasping at straws here, but I'd really love to have that ending

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Spoiler: 999 ending spoilers
Ace is the one who killed everybody in Sub. Ace was just pretending to be dead. Also, Lotus' bracelet was missing. 1+8+9 = 18 = 9. Ace wanted to get out. I'm certain he's also the one who killed you in Knife, since he also killed Lotus in that ending.

See answer 22 here for the Word of God: http://www.aksysgames.com/999/answers


Pierre: there is an explanation for Submarine explained in the official Q&A and in the spoiler above. Don't read what's above until you finish 999!
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Oh. Really now. Ugh... I used to love that ending, but now I'm just disappointed. Why you break my heart, you writer?! :sadshoe:

Anyway, really interesting link. Will read the rest later, but it does contain some rather interesting information. :bellboy:
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Hehe...I was gonna point that one out before Moomoo, but...Meh... :P

So we're talking of from the original 999 now too, eh?
Well...My favorite, non true or safe ending would have to beeeeeee...
Well I guess I'll need to pick the submarine too.

Spoiler: Just in case
It was kinda freaky one since I got it after the knife one and the characters give theories that there may be someone else "on the board" too.
...Sooooo...I was kinda like who where what -if you know what I mean.
Naturally I suspected the 9th man at some point, but...meh...

And not to forget this ending has that nice Junkane moment, or what ever the Akapei pairing is called...
It was just cute. In sad we're all dead kinda way.


And not to forget I literally screamed out loud for the first time in my life "GOD DANG IT!" once I realized I got another bad ending in a row.
...Granted, was only my 2nd ine, but...you know... :P
I'm pretty sure we all got either knife or sub at first, then tried to evade our previous mistakes on the next play in hopes of beating it this time.
...I can't be the only one...(?)... ;_;
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Personally, I got Knife first, then went in all the opposite doors just to be hit by an Axe (har har).

After that I grabbed the GameFAQs diagram for how to get the endings and followed that, but I purposely got Sub first anyway. Trying to figure it out on my own would have been a real pain; even with the text skipping and quick puzzle solving it can take over 30 minutes to see if you went the right way.
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I found Axe creepy as fuck, and that was the first ending I ever got :o
IMO Axe was the scariest bad ending.
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I found Axe creepy as fuck, and that was the first ending I ever got :o
IMO Axe was the scariest bad ending.


Woulda been better if you didn't see it coming 10 miles away and think "THIS WAS SO PREVENTAABLLLEEEE!" the whole time XD
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Well, all those discussions about 999 made me realise something...

For some reason, I really loved the bad endings in 999. Yeah, probably as much as the true ending, they felt really great. They add a lot of tension, and they were pretty much unexpected for the most part. They takes you by surprise, and make you feel all weird like.... damn.

Spoiler: Axe ending
Oh, and that smugh on Clover's face.... just priceless. I'll never forget that deadly smug. Never. Which is one of the reasons I didn't like her that much in VLR. They didn't keep the best part of her personality :p

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Oh, and not really a spoiler, but...

Spoiler:
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Can't say the same about all the VLR bad endings... well, quite a few of them were great, like the one where you discover

Spoiler: All VLR bad endings
who's behind K's mask, or the Luna bad ending where she escapes with Quark (where you chose to betray her in the last AB Game of the leftmost timeline... man, I wanted to punch the writer for making me do something so despicable :()


@Pierre : well, about that Axe ending.... you'll see. Just keep playing and you'll realise what you're complaining about doesn't make that much sense ;)
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I'm just replaying 999 (VLR still isnt here) and just realised something...

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When June gets her fever thats her past self burning right? Why does she get the fever and start crying when the 9th Man dies? Is she acting or wasnt he supposed to die?
I found Axe (999) just really scary because I was going through exactly the same series of emotions as Junpei and couldnt believe it - "Oh shiiiit, this can't be true" sort of thing :o

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Well, according to the official FAQ blahmoomoo linked a few messages ago, those fever 'fits' happen as you get closer to 'a past that couldn't exist'

And my guess is that she's really acting. I mean, she REALLY wanted him dead (again, read the FAQ linked above), so I doubt she was actually crying. If she looked happy, other participants might get suspicious.


And where did you order VLR for it to take THAT long to arrive? :adrian:
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I ordered it from Amazon UK on December 27, 2012 but it said "Usually desptached in 1-3 weeks" (!) :(
I dont want VLR to end, I want to make it last as the wait for ZE3 (if it comes here) will be torture :D
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Thoughts:
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I dont think she and Santa are acting when theyre freaked out by a dead body though, TBH, also I think June genuinely had warm feelings for Junpei and liked him (and he liked her) :) The ending where she says she was "really happy" to see him again was so sad and cute! :(
In the part where Santa threatens to shoot June, I think thats probably acting (based on what you said about crying) but it also requires extreme trust on Santa and June's part, they have to trust each other its just acting, but I was pretty scared at that bit at first.

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So stayed up far later than I should last night to get my next ending.

Well we opened the safe.

It was so amazing....
I'm a little sad as now with the Axe, Submarine and this one I reckon there's probably only bad endings to go.
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So you think there's no way to escape the ship?
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Meh...In the end it's...Kiiiiinda true in a way though.
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grim_tales wrote:
I'm just replaying 999 (VLR still isnt here) and just realised something...

Spoiler:
When June gets her fever thats her past self burning right? Why does she get the fever and start crying when the 9th Man dies? Is she acting or wasnt he supposed to die?

Spoiler:
9th Man was supposed to die, but June probably wasn't as prepared as she thought to see his guts splattered all over the hallway. Really, how DO you prepare yourself for something like that?

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I was kinda thinking that too.
Spoiler:
She might have been acting the crying bit, but I still think she was genuinely scared by seeing how he died, when she screamed

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That's precisely what I was going to say.

Spoiler:
It also applies to that Craddle Pharmaceutical guy Ace killed in the shower room, thinking it was Snake. Santa and Akane did put Snake's clothes on him, but that doesn't mean he wasn't genuine when you discover the 'body' and he starts throwing up (or at least looks really ill).

So yeah, I DO think Akane was acting when she was crying, but not about feeling ill when discovering 9th's body and that Craddle Pharmaceutical guy.


Oh, and I'm really happy right now. Logged in my Club Nintendo account, and I discovered I could fill two surveys for Virtue's Last Reward : one for registering the game (250 stars), another one for the 'post-play survey' (50 stars). So I just got myself 300 additional stars... thanks Nintendo and Rising Star Games!

I thought I couldn't get those, since 1) bought it on the Irish eShop, and game wasn't made available in France until January the 3rd. 2) it didn't appear in my Club Nintendo account 2) I thought there was no stars for Virtue's Last Reward.

So, it's pretty cool :shoe:

By the way grim_tales, what about that NeoGAF registration? Don't think I've seen you there yet. :adrian:
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Not only that,

Spoiler: 999 true ending spoilers
Akane freaks out even more when you forcibly enter door 3, since you are definitely going toward a bad ending. She even makes motions to escape the room, as she was trying to escape the incinerator in the past. *shudder*
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L~A wrote:
That's precisely what I was going to say.

Spoiler:
It also applies to that Craddle Pharmaceutical guy Ace killed in the shower room, thinking it was Snake. Santa and Akane did put Snake's clothes on him, but that doesn't mean he wasn't genuine when you discover the 'body' and he starts throwing up (or at least looks really ill).

So yeah, I DO think Akane was acting when she was crying, but not about feeling ill when discovering 9th's body and that Craddle Pharmaceutical guy.


By the way grim_tales, what about that NeoGAF registration? Don't think I've seen you there yet. :adrian:


Hey,
I havent checked my O2 email in a while (since before Xmas) - I'll log back in tomorrow and check and see if I recieved an email.
The main reason I was confused was
Spoiler:
June gets the fever mainly when and because you encounter "a past that couldnt exsist" according to the FAQ and yet 9th dies in every path (even the true ending).
Maybe she also gets it when she feels scared/ill too. Its understandable she'd freak out over it.

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Spoiler:
Yeah, that's a sort-of plot hole in 999. I think it may have been addressed in the question/answer thing on the 999 website, but I don't feel like looking through all those questions again to check xP

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I just noticed my account was activated yesterday - yay! :D STILL no VLR though, perhaps its not safe to post in that thread yet.
But I'll come and introduce myself if theres such a thread for newbies there :D
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blahmoomoo wrote:
Not only that,

Spoiler: 999 true ending spoilers
Akane freaks out even more when you forcibly enter door 3, since you are definitely going toward a bad ending. She even makes motions to escape the room, as she was trying to escape the incinerator in the past. *shudder*


Spoiler: Door 3
Hmmm... what's behind Door 3 already? It's been a while since I've played 999, and after playing VLR, my memory of 999 is fuzzy at best.


By the way, about the opening of the safe

Spoiler: Spoilahz
Isn't opening the safe part of the path leading to the true ending? Or is it the normal ending?


@ Pierre : don't read spoiler above, and tell me more about the ending you got (with the safe). I don't remember 999 too well, so could you please describe what's happening in it? Oh, and I've probably already told you that, but I believe you'll enjoy the normal/true endings much more if you get all the bad endings first. Don't hesitate to use a non-spoiler walkthrough to get them :phoenix:

@ Bad Player :

Spoiler:
Yup, it's explained in the official FAQ (Akane's headaches, I mean.) I believe I put a link a few messages back. Have to admit, kinda funny the amount of stuff the writer left up to the players interpretation... (not a criticism, actually).


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I just noticed my account was activated yesterday - yay! :D STILL no VLR though, perhaps its not safe to post in that thread yet.
But I'll come and introduce myself if theres such a thread for newbies there :D


Lol, really? Are you sure it was only yesterday? I did register several days after you, and I got my message last Friday.

Spoiler:
Registration rejected. No explanation :larry:


ps: I'll have more stuff to discuss about VLR a bit later :shoe:
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title

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Spoiler: Door 3
Door 3 lead to the shower room, where they found Snake exploded. Because you forced your way in there (abandoning the others, who then couldn't enter doors 7 and 8), you only found the key that leads to door 2 (the keys that lead to doors 1 and 6 are behind doors 7 and 8, which you never end up investigating because you were a jerk).

Door 2 always leads to Sub, so going through Door 3 forces you to get Sub. So the game basically says "good riddance, you jerk". :edgeworth:


Spoiler: Not Pierre-safe Safe spoilers
Safe is required to get to the true ending, otherwise you hit the Coffin non-ending. Safe is a good ending of sorts, except you fail to save Akane and the last thing that happens is getting knocked out with gas. A lot of questions are answered (pretty sure that Ace comes out as the bad guy and you incinerate him), but many are still unanswered, like what's happening to Akane.

Look here for a simple flowchart of how you get to the endings.


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See answer #19 in the official Q&A: http://www.aksysgames.com/999/answers#19
Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title

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@ L-A, yeah I'm sure it was yesterday, the date on my message said 15/1/13 (15 January).
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blahmoomoo wrote:
Spoiler: Not Pierre-safe Safe spoilers
Safe is required to get to the true ending, otherwise you hit the Coffin non-ending. Safe is a good ending of sorts, except you fail to save Akane and the last thing that happens is getting knocked out with gas. A lot of questions are answered (pretty sure that Ace comes out as the bad guy and you incinerate him), but many are still unanswered, like what's happening to Akane.

Look here for a simple flowchart of how you get to the endings.


Spoiler: Safe/True ending spoilers
I'm pretty sure everyone dies in Safe ending, that's not very "good". Ace, Snake, and Clover are definately dead, Akane fades out of existance or whatever, Santa is MIA (probably playing Zero at the end), and Junpei gets gassed. So unless Seven and Lotus manage to find whatever secret passage Santa and June used in the True end, they're screwed anyway since they can't open the q door.

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Spoiler: 999 ending spoilers
My pet theory has always been that Santa just dumped Junpei, Seven, and Lotus outside after he gassed them. The Nonary Game is over (with this result being simultaneously a success and a failure), so he really has no idea to keep them locked up or kill them.

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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
blahmoomoo wrote:
Spoiler: Not Pierre-safe Safe spoilers
Safe is required to get to the true ending, otherwise you hit the Coffin non-ending. Safe is a good ending of sorts, except you fail to save Akane and the last thing that happens is getting knocked out with gas. A lot of questions are answered (pretty sure that Ace comes out as the bad guy and you incinerate him), but many are still unanswered, like what's happening to Akane.

Look here for a simple flowchart of how you get to the endings.


Spoiler: Safe/True ending spoilers
I'm pretty sure everyone dies in Safe ending, that's not very "good". Ace, Snake, and Clover are definately dead, Akane fades out of existance or whatever, Santa is MIA (probably playing Zero at the end), and Junpei gets gassed. So unless Seven and Lotus manage to find whatever secret passage Santa and June used in the True end, they're screwed anyway since they can't open the q door.


Spoiler:
...oh yeah. Kinda forgot all about the deaths that still happened in Safe. It's been a while. So yeah, definitely not a good ending. Better than "everybody dies for some (at the time) unexplained reason or because Clover went crazy," but still bad.


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Spoiler: all the spoils
Success in the fact that Akane learned what she needed to know for True, but failure for all the other reasons. Woo!

I highly doubt Santa would have killed them. I bet that Akane would have instructed him to let them out, in any case. She didn't plant unnecessary bombs, after all.
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The Safe ending was the saddest ending for me, some elements even bettered the True Ending (I think, cant remember it all).
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