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Tinker is right that opinions don't make facts. Any one person could have an opinion about anything, and the rest of the world won't care. People are selfish and biased, so topics like this lead to flaming, always, unless the people posting in the topic are at least unbiased or objective. I also sign the anti-flame treaty.
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Tinker wrote:
Guess_Who wrote:
Tinker wrote:
According to the average review and/or player, they aren't. Opinions don't make facts. Again.
Let's back it up here.
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Opinions don't make facts.
This is important. The average reviewer and/or player's opinion isn't any more "fact" and therefore doesn't count any more than GOTA's. He can think any game he wants to is shit, and no amount of disagreement will invalidate his opinion.
Urgh. But that isn't what I said - I said that the average reviewer and player's opinion is that those games were good - the fact that they have that opinion. I wasn't trying to persuade Gears in loving a Wii, I was saying why he couldn't use an argument like "Metroid Prime was shit".
He CAN argue that, actually - in the context he used it in.
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And the "core gamers" (XD CORE GAMERS YOU ARE SO PRO) can cry in a corner, touching their Metroid Prime, Zelda, Mario and Brawl game cases.
GOTA wrote:
But the latest installments of the Prime, Zelda and Mario series are shit. D:
His point is that as a "core gamer", he doesn't like the Metroid/Zelda/Mario installments on the Wii, and so your joke there doesn't apply to him.
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If you take it in that way, it's definitely an argument, but it's still a weak one :P
However, let's get back on topic. And remember that adding expletives doesn't get your point across better, only make you sound like an infantile monkey. Thanks.
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Oh, and I am also in the minority that owns a HDTV, so the fact that the Wii doesn't support anything beyond 480p is a big bummer for me. Worst, quite a lot of Wii games don't even support widescreen mode.
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fox334 wrote:
The Wii isn't that bad of a system, but lets just say that after playing the 360 its hard to come back. It just has a very diverse library of games (even if we exclude the FPS), from a good number of J-RPG (Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata and the upcoming Lost Odyssey, just to name the bigger ones) to some great fighting games (VF5, DoA4, the upcoming Soul Calibur IV, etc.). The Wii, meanwhile, has a quite shallow library (Apart from the Mario-Zelda-Metroid, we only have two Trauma Center, Zack & Wiki and SPM). Also, honestly, XBOX Live owns. Seriously. Wii's online makes me cry when I compare it to XBOX Live. Virtually every games worth something support online in some fashion, including Live Arcade games, I experienced few lags, and most peoples I met so far are far from ass-holes (sadly, I did get the few unfortunates exceptions, but the good far outweigh the bad). And, honestly, some of Nintendo's franchises would just be much bether on the XBOX 360, PS3 or the PC that on the Wii (honestly, I would cry in happinesses if they announced a next-gen (not new-gen, mind you) F-ZERO or WaveRace) .
Oh, and I am also in the minority that owns a HDTV, so the fact that the Wii doesn't support anything beyond 480p is a big bummer for me. Worst, quite a lot of Wii games don't even support widescreen mode.
Oh, and I am also in the minority that owns a HDTV, so the fact that the Wii doesn't support anything beyond 480p is a big bummer for me. Worst, quite a lot of Wii games don't even support widescreen mode.
now this is someone i can work with compared to Gears.
you were correct in most of what you said. as for the xbox live business. if i remember correctly, it's been around since november 2002. more than 5 years, where as nintendo's online has existed for only a little more than 3/4 of a year. when xbox first got online, was there all this awesome online stuff, not really, but in time, it grew, which i what many people think the wii will do.
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Virtually every games worth something support online in some fashion, including Live Arcade games
ummm... Bioshock?
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* Zelda
* Metroid
* Mario Galaxy
* Trauma Center
Feel free to correct me, but that's all I can think of. Also, in all the Wii games I've played, the controls are not very good. In Wii boxing, it dosen't even track your movements most of the time! It just senses a jerk of the controller and *wham!* punch!
And, of course, games like Wii Carnival and Wii Playground make me cringe.
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andrx wrote:
now this is someone i can work with compared to Gears.
you were correct in most of what you said. as for the xbox live business. if i remember correctly, it's been around since november 2002. more than 5 years, where as nintendo's online has existed for only a little more than 3/4 of a year. when xbox first got online, was there all this awesome online stuff, not really, but in time, it grew, which i what many people think the wii will do.
you were correct in most of what you said. as for the xbox live business. if i remember correctly, it's been around since november 2002. more than 5 years, where as nintendo's online has existed for only a little more than 3/4 of a year. when xbox first got online, was there all this awesome online stuff, not really, but in time, it grew, which i what many people think the wii will do.
No excuses. Its purely Nintendo's fault it took them so long that they didn't start to get there act together way back when it was still time (read: last generation). And honestly, Wi-Fi Connection is horrible, which ever way you look at it. Even Sony's sketchy PS2 online service was better in nearly all aspects.
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ummm... Bioshock?
I said in some fashion. And, well, technically, Bioshock does support XBOX Live (content download)
But point accepted, lets just say that virtually every decent games that have a multilayer mode are playable online.
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I don't like the Wii that much. Every game for it seems to be a "party game". Right now, it appears that there are only a handful of Wii games that aren't just collections of minigames:
* Zelda
* Metroid
* Mario Galaxy
* Trauma Center
Feel free to correct me, but that's all I can think of. Also, in all the Wii games I've played, the controls are not very good. In Wii boxing, it dosen't even track your movements most of the time! It just senses a jerk of the controller and *wham!* punch!
And, of course, games like Wii Carnival and Wii Playground make me cringe.
* Zelda
* Metroid
* Mario Galaxy
* Trauma Center
Feel free to correct me, but that's all I can think of. Also, in all the Wii games I've played, the controls are not very good. In Wii boxing, it dosen't even track your movements most of the time! It just senses a jerk of the controller and *wham!* punch!
And, of course, games like Wii Carnival and Wii Playground make me cringe.
Zack & Wiki, Super Paper Mario.
And it is true that the Wiimote is far from perfect, altought I did quite enjoy Wii Sports.
And every system has a load of shitty games. Never, and I mean never judge a system by its worst games.
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fox334 wrote:
BigFish wrote:
I don't like the Wii that much. Every game for it seems to be a "party game". Right now, it appears that there are only a handful of Wii games that aren't just collections of minigames:
* Zelda
* Metroid
* Mario Galaxy
* Trauma Center
Feel free to correct me, but that's all I can think of. Also, in all the Wii games I've played, the controls are not very good. In Wii boxing, it dosen't even track your movements most of the time! It just senses a jerk of the controller and *wham!* punch!
And, of course, games like Wii Carnival and Wii Playground make me cringe.
* Zelda
* Metroid
* Mario Galaxy
* Trauma Center
Feel free to correct me, but that's all I can think of. Also, in all the Wii games I've played, the controls are not very good. In Wii boxing, it dosen't even track your movements most of the time! It just senses a jerk of the controller and *wham!* punch!
And, of course, games like Wii Carnival and Wii Playground make me cringe.
Zack & Wiki, Super Paper Mario.
It is true that the Wiimote is far from perfect, altought I did quite enjoy Wii Sports.
Oh, by the way, every system has a load of shitty games. Never, and I mean never judge a system by its worst games.
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Mario Galaxy made me want to pull out my hair and bash my face into a wall in frustrattion over the extreme baby-orientated gameplay. At least, when it doesn't make me want to puke due to poor camera/level-design.
The wii isn't a bad console, but I agree how I'm also annoyed by the lack of decent games. Twilight Princess and Truma Center are the only two games that I currently see as being good games that I personally would play on the wii (that is released here in europe), and both appeared on other consoles - gamecube and DS. I personally think the DS is a pretty damn good hand-held console, and that alot of excelent games get released on it. The wii, on the other hand, hasn't been as awesome as I could have hoped for. And why are there so many excelent games for the DS when there isn't nearly as many for the wii? It makes no sence. It tries to go back to classic games, but end up actually getting further away from this point simply because alot of the old game remakes end up being released not on the wii but on the x-box 360. One of the reasons I bought the wii was that I could also play gamecube games. The wii alone is pretty lousy at the moment.
The wii isn't a bad console, but I agree how I'm also annoyed by the lack of decent games. Twilight Princess and Truma Center are the only two games that I currently see as being good games that I personally would play on the wii (that is released here in europe), and both appeared on other consoles - gamecube and DS. I personally think the DS is a pretty damn good hand-held console, and that alot of excelent games get released on it. The wii, on the other hand, hasn't been as awesome as I could have hoped for. And why are there so many excelent games for the DS when there isn't nearly as many for the wii? It makes no sence. It tries to go back to classic games, but end up actually getting further away from this point simply because alot of the old game remakes end up being released not on the wii but on the x-box 360. One of the reasons I bought the wii was that I could also play gamecube games. The wii alone is pretty lousy at the moment.
Now why exactly was this post ignored?
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Ah. But that's easy to counter - I, as a "core gamer" did like those games.
This is the part where I call into question your right to consider yourself a 'core gamer', and we spend the next 2 pages attempting to define it, GO GO GO!
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I don't like the Wii that much. Every game for it seems to be a "party game". Right now, it appears that there are only a handful of Wii games that aren't just collections of minigames:
* Zelda
* Metroid
* Mario Galaxy
* Trauma Center
* Zelda
* Metroid
* Mario Galaxy
* Trauma Center
Since you didn't say that the games have to be good...
Endless Ocean
Necro-Nesia(Escape From Bug Island)
Soul Calibur Legends
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Super Paper Mario
Batallion Wars II(BWii)
Mario Strikers Charged
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Dewy's Adventure
Excite Truck
Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire
Ghost Squad
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Red Steel
Medal of Honour Heroes: 2
Ninjabread Man
Just to name a few.
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Since you didn't say that the games have to be good...
Endless Ocean
Necro-Nesia(Escape From Bug Island)
Soul Calibur Legends
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Super Paper Mario
Batallion Wars II(BWii)
Mario Strikers Charged
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Dewy's Adventure
Excite Truck
Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire
Ghost Squad
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Red Steel
Medal of Honour Heroes: 2
Ninjabread Man
Just to name a few.
Endless Ocean
Necro-Nesia(Escape From Bug Island)
Soul Calibur Legends
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Super Paper Mario
Batallion Wars II(BWii)
Mario Strikers Charged
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Dewy's Adventure
Excite Truck
Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire
Ghost Squad
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Red Steel
Medal of Honour Heroes: 2
Ninjabread Man
Just to name a few.
NOOOOOOOoooooOooooOOoooooo.....
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The Wii is as Someone (I forgot the name) stated, a "Party Game". A majority of Popular and good games, are of course, Mini-Game Mash-ups. Yeah, Wario Ware is decent, but other than that, why nintendo, why do you let these companys sell us this crap. I honestly wish I had a 360, as I have Wi-fi internet in my home, and XBLive is worth the money.
The only thing about the Wii that tops the 360 is that the Wii has an internet browser, yet you have to pay for it.
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GearsoftheApparatus wrote:
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Zack and Wiki was good. Link's crossbow training kinda sucked IMHO. It was too short and I expect more from a Zelda game. I don't care if it's a spinoff. Tingles game was more entertaining and the game was repetitive and predictable. Galaxy was dumbed down from the other Mario titles. Still, I like it more than Sunshine.
and one last argument
Look this whole game gen kinda sucks. PS3 doesn't have too many exclusives, not that many people use Blu-ray, It's the most costy if you want the Backwards capability. Nintendo is dumbing down some of the games, so that more people can have fun than Gamers. I think more non-Gamers play the Wii than anyone. My dad himself is the one who uses the Wii the most, and that is mainly for Wii sports. Xbox 360, I use it the most but I still just don't care for it. Microsofts sickens me with some of it's gimmicks and the fact they keep milking Halo. and people keep buying it. It's just an average FPS that can go online, nothing special.
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The only thing about the Wii that tops the 360 is that the Wii has an internet browser
I still don't know why the 360 doesn't have a browser, actually. There's no real reason to not have one. :S
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Endless Ocean- Somewhere, beyond the sea... lies a intriguing game
Zak and Wiki- It's got some terrific reviews and it looks brilliant
Super Paper Mario- fun to play, although a little disappointing.
BWii- Looks great, good reviews
Mario Strikers- Fun, and pretty hard. Online play can be annoying though.
Excite Truck- Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow! I think it's great.
So thats 5 from your list of 17, and some of the others I just didn't pick because I don't like the genre (RE:UC for example, counting those makes it about 10) Add to that the fact I like Galaxy, MP3, DBZ:T2, and Guitar Hero 3 (and more), that I'm looking forward to Brawl (and others) and that I use the Virtual Console and Internet Channel lots; it leads me to the conclusion that the Wii is not crap.
Saying that though, it isn't doing as well as I want it to though. We can sorta forgive that since it's it's first year, but it'll not have that excuse this time round. The third party developers need to get their brains in gear, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE MINI-GAMES! (Or games like Ninjabread Men for that matter... urk)
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GearsoftheApparatus wrote:
I still don't know why the 360 doesn't have a browser, actually. There's no real reason to not have one. :S
Do I HAVE to make a rant about Microsoft? DO I??
Aaaaanyways, according to an old X-Play question (which was the same thing as this one), they believe that Microsoft, being a huge enough computer-based corporation, doesn't think they need to make a browser for the XBOX 360, since people could just as easily use their computers. However, according to X-Play, they have word that Microsoft is making a keyboard attachment for the 360, and that "maybe it's a sign?".
But then again, it's X-Play, and I don't think I have to rant about them...
GearsoftheApparatus wrote:
Pokemon Battle Revolution
I played it, and didn't MIND it... but I had a Pokemon Diamond pack as well, so that probably steered me of 2 of the issues:
1. There's only battling... nothing else... battling, and customizing the battler. No minigames, no walking around, No plot, nothing.
2. If you don't have a Pokemon Diamond or Pearl game, it destroys a lot of the "coolness" of it. And considering that it's a Pokemon video game, there's barely any to begin with.
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"You just have to adapt to the game's standards." Isn't that right, Gears?
Also, the Wii has only been out for about a year. Give it a few more and we may have a few good core game for it. All hope isn't gone, yet.
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There are no rules to that game.
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It's not anyone's fault that you suck at Mario Galaxy, except for yourself. Gears would know. After all, he's the one claiming that any game is playable even if the controls and camera suck.
"You just have to adapt to the game's standards." Isn't that right, Gears?
Also, the Wii has only been out for about a year. Give it a few more and we may have a few good core game for it. All hope isn't gone, yet.
"You just have to adapt to the game's standards." Isn't that right, Gears?
Also, the Wii has only been out for about a year. Give it a few more and we may have a few good core game for it. All hope isn't gone, yet.
There's no denying that Super Mario Galaxy's camera is awful, but even with that, it's one of the easiest games I've played in the last year or two *inb4purplecoinchallengesandbouldergeist*
The PS3 has been out for the same length of time, and has a much better variety. The DS had a much better variety in its first year, as well. All hope, is lost. Unless No More Heroes sells like hotcakes.
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I'm still standing by my believe that there's still hope for the Wii. Even if it doesn't grind 360 or PS3 underneath its heel I'll still buy game for it if they appeal to me.
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Purple coins-meh.
It's all about adapting though, right?
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It's INTENDED to be upside down.
"It's not a bug, it's a feature."
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I honestly felt like the game had gone somewhat back to the form it took with Super Mario 64... well, until I found that a spin-attack and Jump were your only attacks. Then I thought it stepped into Crash Bandicoot.
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As much as I know this'll be criticized...
I honestly felt like the game had gone somewhat back to the form it took with Super Mario 64... well, until I found that a spin-attack and Jump were your only attacks. Then I thought it stepped into Crash Bandicoot.
I honestly felt like the game had gone somewhat back to the form it took with Super Mario 64... well, until I found that a spin-attack and Jump were your only attacks. Then I thought it stepped into Crash Bandicoot.
I agree. I liked SMG's star bits thing, were you can Shoot enemies and such with it,
and It's a nice 2 player addition for younger players who can't really play.
but when you can only spin, and THE CAMERA SUCKS. I don't care what X-play or any gaming magazine
says, SMG is sup-par. It's a decent game. I know I will be shot for this, but
Sunshine was MUCH better. *shot*
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GearsoftheApparatus wrote:
There's no denying that Super Mario Galaxy's camera is awful
NO, sonic the hedgehog games' cameras are aweful
galaxy's was bearable
i also have to unfortunately ask, are we saying that wii is just shit, or shit compared to 360. if you say wii doesn't have as many good games as 360, list the good games for 360 that were out within the first year of it's release.
example: presently i'm taller than my brother, but when i was his age, i was 2 inches shorter than his hight at that age. does that mean by brother is short, no he will in fact be taller than me.
discuss, now!
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but as Andrx said, The Next Gen Sonic's camera was WORSE.
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It's INTENDED to be upside down.
"It's not a bug, it's a feature."
Source or no argument.
SMG's camera is fine. You're the one who sucks and shouldn't play it if you can't flow with the changes throughout the game.
Did I say I wouldn't support the "adapt or suck at it" argument? I partially lied, to be honest.
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Walkie Talkie Man wrote:
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It's INTENDED to be upside down.
"It's not a bug, it's a feature."
Source or no argument.
SMG's camera is fine. You're the one who sucks and shouldn't play it if you can't flow with the changes throughout the game.
Did I say I wouldn't support the "adapt or suck at it" argument? I partially lied, to be honest.
exactly. if people didn't like/adapt change or varying elements in videogames, we would have a console filled with only one type of genre,
by the way, how are halo 3, COD4, bioshock, and the orange box sales doing on 360?
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i also have to unfortunately ask, are we saying that wii is just shit, or shit compared to 360. if you say wii doesn't have as many good games as 360, list the good games for 360 that were out within the first year of it's release.
It's not really being compared to anything, except perhaps the DS.
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by the way, how are halo 3, COD4, bioshock, and the orange box sales doing on 360?
Halo 3 - 6.27 Million
Call Of Duty 4 - 2.80 Million
BioShock - 1.43 Million
Orange Box - 580,000 approx.
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360 has:
Eternal Sonata
Mass Effect
Lost Planet: Extreme Condition
Gears of War
Dead Rising
The Orange Box(Yes, I know it's on PS3 as well, but that version is shit)
BioShock
Forza Motorsport 2
Project Gotham Racing 3/4
Beautiful Katamari
Virtua Fighter 5 Online
Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation
Halo 3
... Naruto: Rise of a Ninja >_>
And I'm sure I've posted the lists for the other systems somewhere else in this topic.
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Re: Does the Wii truly Suck? Are Video-Games too mainstream?
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Re: Does the Wii truly Suck? Are Video-Games too mainstream?
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Meh. The problem with the 360 is that in my opinion all games that seem to make it worthwhile to buy the thing are also available for PC. It has a great working online (lol Wii), BUT it's paid for - and not "free", like on your computer. That's why I'm refraining from buying the Xbox.
One thing, champ. Only 4 of the games I listed are available on PC, and one of those games plays like arse on the PC(Gears of War).
That, and PC gaming is dead. Games don't sell on PC, and every decent PC game is heading towards consoles now.
Also, lol, my 360 just RRoD'd. It booted up fine after, and I'm wondering whether or not it could have simply been a result of the power cord being nudged(I was fucking around with the powerboard it was attached to at the time)... so I'll leave it off for an hour, then fire up BioShock again. Hopefully, it will happen again so I can get a new unit... I wants me a Falcon chip. :S
EDIT: Yeah, it was just a power surge thingy. I should've realised it sooner, after all. Bad things don't happen to good people. :)
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GearsoftheApparatus wrote:
Tinker wrote:
Meh. The problem with the 360 is that in my opinion all games that seem to make it worthwhile to buy the thing are also available for PC. It has a great working online (lol Wii), BUT it's paid for - and not "free", like on your computer. That's why I'm refraining from buying the Xbox.
One thing, champ. Only 4 of the games I listed are available on PC, and one of those games plays like arse on the PC(Gears of War).
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I wasn't talking about that list. I was talking about my own preferences. There are only one or two games on the 360 that I'd really like to play, and that doesn't make it worthwhile :3
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The problem with computers is that you have to spend hundreds of dollars to keep updating them when you could simply shell out $350 for a system that will last you a good six to seven years in decent working condition. Compare that to every one or two years of upgrading your PC and think of the money you'll save.
Eh yeah, this PC is currently 5 years old and I haven't had to upgrade a thing. Maybe if I'd want to play Crysis, but the Orange Box and most other stuff works really smoothly. Plus, a PC isn't only for games ;)
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