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A Japanese woman has been arrested for killing her husband’s digital avatar in ‘Maple Story.’ The “virtual murder” was a result of the couple’s sudden divorce.
The 43-year-old woman used her husband’s name and password to access the avatar and kill it off as a way of getting revenge. "I was suddenly divorced, without a word of warning. That made me so angry," she says.
She was arrested and jailed in Japan on charges of hacking into the computer. If convicted, the woman faces up to 5 years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
A Japanese woman has been arrested for killing her husband’s digital avatar in ‘Maple Story.’ The “virtual murder” was a result of the couple’s sudden divorce.
The 43-year-old woman used her husband’s name and password to access the avatar and kill it off as a way of getting revenge. "I was suddenly divorced, without a word of warning. That made me so angry," she says.
She was arrested and jailed in Japan on charges of hacking into the computer. If convicted, the woman faces up to 5 years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
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The fact that this happened to be about MapleStory is just a matter of small to no importance. :D
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Hacking is big business you know. It creates so much frustration and fraud throughout the world, there's no wonder that they crack down hard on hackers, when found.
The fact that this happened to be about MapleStory is just a matter of small to no importance. :D
The fact that this happened to be about MapleStory is just a matter of small to no importance. :D
I would have loved the hear the police call on that crime. I wonder how many times he had to call before anyone took him seriously.
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Although hacking can be a serious crime. I just wonder if she did this because of the game, and not just divorce.
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Blackbird wrote:
I hardly call carelessness with who you give your username and password to "hacking". I hope this woman is found innocent.
I hope she gets found guilty, personally. Not for the crime, but her stupidity of trying to get revenge for a sudden divorce on the internet.
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ButzPuff wrote:
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I hardly call carelessness with who you give your username and password to "hacking". I hope this woman is found innocent.
I hope she gets found guilty, personally. Not for the crime, but her stupidity of trying to get revenge for a sudden divorce on the internet.
That's hardly enough reason to arrest and convict someone of a crime carrying quite the penalty. :/ If stupidity was a crime then the jails and prisons would be even more crowded than they are now.
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Hey since it is a video game character that was murdered
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ButzPuff wrote:
I hope she gets found guilty... [for her stupidity]
Stupidity isn't a crime by itself, and justice is about upholding the law first and personal feelings second. Even if you think what she did is stupid, I don't think that what she did broke the law. She didn't "hack" anything, so the only correct action is that she be found innocent if justice is to be properly served. Now, destruction of property on the other hand, (because digital information can constitute valuable property) they may actually have a case for. But not hacking.
Furthemore, put yourself in her shoes... deleting a digital avatar isn't the worst thing you could do if you are enraged at the sudden betrayal of your loved one. I think the woman deserves at least a little sympathy.
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Fact of the matter is, this woman was trying to be malicious and used one of the man's online accounts to destroy something he directly or indirectly spent a lot of time and money on.
An issue here is that people don't give things value unless they can appreciate a physical form of it. It's why digital property is held in such little regard despite how much time and effort went into it. Look at the following two examples;
1. A woman has access to a her ex husband's online gaming account. Using his name and password, she goes into the account and deletes everything her ex husband worked on.
2. A woman has access to her ex husband's home. Using his spare house key, she goes into his home and destroys a single video game.
Two extremely similar scenarios, and yet the second one would be held as more criminal than the first one, which is wrong. They're both equally malicious attacks done out of spite which violates the man's possessions and destroys something that mattered to him which he also spent time and money on. Why the hell isn't the first scenario equally as illegal? Because it's easier to do?
What she did was, in fact, criminal. It's only amusing if you ignorantly believe digital products hold less value than physical ones.
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As another analogy, imagine if you gave a stranger the password to your email account, and then were surprised when your inbox was deleted. Your account was not hacked; you practically invited calamity on your files. It's a lack of common sense. The only difference here is that instead of a stranger, the husband gave his password to someone close to him, his wife (who would ordinarily be trustworthy).
For what it's worth, I do believe that digital information is worth less than tangible assets, with obvious exceptions. As an example, much of digital information is much more easily replacable than real objects. You could delete my copy of "Superunknown" from my music folder, and although that would be annoying, I could always reupload the album to my computer from my CD of the album. The only damage in this case, is annoyance and the lost time it would take me to upload the album. On the other hand, if you physically snapped my CD of "Superunknown" then I would not be able to repair or otherwise recover my CD or it's information; it's permanently lost to me, and I would have no choice but to pay the damages if I wanted to replace the CD.
Of course, -irreplaceable- digital information, such as information that was only collected one time, or important information for which there is no backup or copy anywhere, should be valued much higher. Digital artwork for which there is only one copy of the file comes to mind. Also of consideration are large volumes of data that, while it might be replaceable, would require considerable expense in time to do so, or the loss of the information's availability would result in lost profits (hacked website, anyone?).
I don't think it's as cut-and-dry as physical crimes like vandalism, theft, and arson.
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That woman got F*cking pwned. And she deserved it. I would be so pissed if my account were to get hacked. Go japanese legal system! FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
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The article says nothing of the sort. :D It just says she USED it. So, if she used it, and he didn't tell her it, then she must've found it out by either guessing it, or stealing it. Both ways are illegal, funnily enough.
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Bendilin wrote:
Because it's easier to do?
Because it's easier to undo. Do some research and you'll figure out what I mean. Those two scenarios are similar. NOT the same.
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Bendilin wrote:
Because it's easier to do?
Because it's easier to undo. Do some research and you'll figure out what I mean. Those two scenarios are similar. NOT the same.
Information deleted off of an account (or the account itself) will not, and the vast majority of the time, can not be "undone." Once something is deleted it is gone for good, and I'll literally pay you $10 if you can find me any business that will restore your deleted information to the way it was after a user with access to your account deleted it. Fuck, most places won't restore your account or content even when THEY delete it by mistake themselves, simply telling you to start over again/recreate it. It doesn't matter what it's for either. A video game, email account, online art community, dating profile, you very own website. If something's gone, it's gone, and the host will just tell you, "Tough shit, start again."
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fact 1: they were married in maplestory
fact 2: he gave her his password while they were 'married'
fact 3: they have never met in person, so she logged into his account from her computer
this was entirely digital. i don't see how she can be convicted of "hacking" if all she did was log into his account and delete something, which he apparently voluntarily destroyed the security to
i also don't see why the repercussions should spill into the real world, unless monetary goods were involved
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Bendilin wrote:
Information deleted off of an account (or the account itself) will not, and the vast majority of the time, can not be "undone." Once something is deleted it is gone for good, and I'll literally pay you $10 if you can find me any business that will restore your deleted information to the way it was after a user with access to your account deleted it.
Here's an article describing how to recover files that have been deleted off a hard drive. I've skipped ahead to the most directly relevant page there, but the whole article is good. Recovering files. It's not a sure thing, because the information can be written over once it's been marked deleted(especially in a server setting where lots of info is being written and copied). Still, if you could access the hard drive where your information was stored, there is a chance you could retrieve your deleted info if it hasn't already been written over. You could do this yourself, and most competent computer repair shops offer this service as well. Of course, knowing that and being able to convince the company storing your account to allow you to go through their server's hard drives to try to recover your information is another thing. In either case, you owe me ten bucks =).
@Gozu thanks for digging up some more facts on this case. As I suspected, he gave her the password voluntarily, and compromised the security of his own account. I'm glad at least one other person here understands that this isn't hacking =P.
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Gozu wrote:
everyone get the facts first.
fact 1: they were married in maplestory
fact 2: he gave her his password while they were 'married'
fact 3: they have never met in person, so she logged into his account from her computer
this was entirely digital. i don't see how she can be convicted of "hacking" if all she did was log into his account and delete something, which he apparently voluntarily destroyed the security to
i also don't see why the repercussions should spill into the real world, unless monetary goods were involved
fact 1: they were married in maplestory
fact 2: he gave her his password while they were 'married'
fact 3: they have never met in person, so she logged into his account from her computer
this was entirely digital. i don't see how she can be convicted of "hacking" if all she did was log into his account and delete something, which he apparently voluntarily destroyed the security to
i also don't see why the repercussions should spill into the real world, unless monetary goods were involved
I was about to facepalm but seeing this article has made me decide that a facedesk would be more appropriate.
*facedesk*
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Blackbird wrote:
Bendilin wrote:
Information deleted off of an account (or the account itself) will not, and the vast majority of the time, can not be "undone." Once something is deleted it is gone for good, and I'll literally pay you $10 if you can find me any business that will restore your deleted information to the way it was after a user with access to your account deleted it.
Here's an article describing how to recover files that have been deleted off a hard drive. I've skipped ahead to the most directly relevant page there, but the whole article is good. Recovering files. It's not a sure thing, because the information can be written over once it's been marked deleted(especially in a server setting where lots of info is being written and copied). Still, if you could access the hard drive where your information was stored, there is a chance you could retrieve your deleted info if it hasn't already been written over. You could do this yourself, and most competent computer repair shops offer this service as well. Of course, knowing that and being able to convince the company storing your account to allow you to go through their server's hard drives to try to recover your information is another thing. In either case, you owe me ten bucks =).
@Gozu thanks for digging up some more facts on this case. As I suspected, he gave her the password voluntarily, and compromised the security of his own account. I'm glad at least one other person here understands that this isn't hacking =P.
Considering that we're talking about MMORPGs, by the time you've realized that your character has been deleted, you've contacted the company, explained to them how to do it, and then have them do it, wouldn't the info most probably have been overwritten by all the other players doing stuff with their characters?
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Blackbird wrote:
Bendilin wrote:
Information deleted off of an account (or the account itself) will not, and the vast majority of the time, can not be "undone." Once something is deleted it is gone for good, and I'll literally pay you $10 if you can find me any business that will restore your deleted information to the way it was after a user with access to your account deleted it.
Here's an article describing how to recover files that have been deleted off a hard drive. I've skipped ahead to the most directly relevant page there, but the whole article is good. Recovering files. It's not a sure thing, because the information can be written over once it's been marked deleted(especially in a server setting where lots of info is being written and copied). Still, if you could access the hard drive where your information was stored, there is a chance you could retrieve your deleted info if it hasn't already been written over. You could do this yourself, and most competent computer repair shops offer this service as well. Of course, knowing that and being able to convince the company storing your account to allow you to go through their server's hard drives to try to recover your information is another thing. In either case, you owe me ten bucks =).
All I owe you is lulz for your terrible understanding of things.
On top of that, read the challenge again; I will pay $10 if a company is found that will fully restore data that a user has deleted from an account they had access to. You've completely failed to do that, so you have no fucking right to ask for the prize.
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Bendilin wrote:
Once something is deleted it is gone for good
Once Drive data is Low-Level Formatted it is gone for good.
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I'll literally pay you $10 if you can find me any business that will restore your deleted information to the way it was after a user with access to your account deleted it.
You keep waving my flag around like that, I just might do that for you.
Only two problems with this point:
Workstation/Domain? (Network issue)
Admin account or another used? (Group Policy issue)
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wouldn't the info most probably have been overwritten by all the other players doing stuff with their characters?
Depends on the server it's on.
I have a nasty habit of preventing the account issue by forcing new accounts as valid logons. Basically, anyone that registers on one of my broadcast sites, servers or maintenance pages can login to this machine remotely. For this I just move everyone into a group that puts restrictions on this. Isn't life complicated?
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Of course, knowing that and being able to convince the company storing your account to allow you to go through their server's hard drives to try to recover your information is another thing. In either case, you owe me ten bucks =).
Y helo thar $10 buddy.
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Bendilin wrote:
Blackbird wrote:
You could do this yourself, and most competent computer repair shops offer this service as well.
All I owe you is lulz for your terrible understanding of things.
On top of that, read the challenge again; I will pay $10 if a company is found that will fully restore data that a user has deleted from an account they had access to. You've completely failed to do that, so you have no fucking right to ask for the prize.
If you're going to rip me a new one for lacking reading comprehension, then first ensure that you do so as well. I did cite companies that will restore deleted information: Most competent computer repair stores and services. It's so widespread and simple to do, that all I really needed to prove is that it is fundamentally possible. As an analogy, it would be like demanding to know of a specific mechanic that knows how to change motor oil. But since you've decided to laugh at me rather than investigate yourself, here are a few pages to prove to you how widespread this service is: "Data Retrieval Services" on Google, first page result: http://www.drivesavers.com/company-info/about-us.html
Here's another one. This one is on Geek Squad.com, a widespread computer repair service located in almost any Best Buy. They can also recover deleted or corrupted data off hard drives.
http://www.geeksquad.com/services/conte ... enu_id=317
Seriously, you owe me ten bucks.
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DaemonForce wrote:
Bendilin wrote:
Once something is deleted it is gone for good
Once Drive data is Low-Level Formatted it is gone for good.
Bendilin wrote:
I'll literally pay you $10 if you can find me any business that will restore your deleted information to the way it was after a user with access to your account deleted it.
You keep waving my flag around like that, I just might do that for you.
Only two problems with this point:
Workstation/Domain? (Network issue)
Admin account or another used? (Group Policy issue)
Thank you for neglecting the point. It seems you have yet to realize that "can" and "will" are two critically different things. There's not a single business on this planet that's going to restore anything a user had erased from an account they had access to.
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If you're going to rip me a new one for lacking reading comprehension, then first ensure that you do so as well.
Reread what you just said there, please. You seriously need to learn the fine art of "proof reading what the fuck you just typed before clicking reply."
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I did cite companies that will restore deleted information: Most competent computer repair stores and services. It's so widespread and simple to do, that all I really needed to prove is that it is fundamentally possible. As an analogy, it would be like demanding to know of a specific mechanic that knows how to change motor oil. But since you've decided to laugh at me rather than investigate yourself, here are a few pages to prove to you how widespread this service is: "Data Retrieval Services" on Google, first page result: http://www.drivesavers.com/company-info/about-us.html
Here's another one. This one is on Geek Squad.com, a widespread computer repair service located in almost any Best Buy. They can also recover deleted or corrupted data off hard drives.
http://www.geeksquad.com/services/conte ... enu_id=317
Seriously, you owe me ten bucks.
Here's another one. This one is on Geek Squad.com, a widespread computer repair service located in almost any Best Buy. They can also recover deleted or corrupted data off hard drives.
http://www.geeksquad.com/services/conte ... enu_id=317
Seriously, you owe me ten bucks.
Okay, you go to Geek Squad and ask them to get back your MapleStory character after your online wife deleted him from Wizet's server. You can come back after they've laughed their asses off at you and you have something to contribute other than straw men arguments.
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Bendilin wrote:
Okay, you go to Geek Squad and ask them to get back your MapleStory character after your online wife deleted him from Wizet's server. You can come back after they've laughed their asses off at you and you have something to contribute other than straw men arguments.
Ah, but that's not the requirement you laid out for me. The objective was not to see if a data restoration company will actually replace a lost Maple story character. Quoting the rules of the challenge again, laid out by you:
"I'll literally pay you $10 if you can find me any business that will restore your deleted information to the way it was after a user with access to your account deleted it."
Nothing is mentioned in your rule about replacing a character. Instead, you suggested that I find a business that will restore "deleted information... [in an account]". Furthermore, nothing is said in those rules about a server/storage situation where you don't personally own your files in your rules either. Your rules could just as easily apply to a situation where a user with access to your Windows admin account deletes files on your personal/home computer. In that situation, replacing the lost files would be very easy, realistic, and practical with the services I've mentioned. All I needed to satisfy the challenge, as you have laid it out, was to prove that companies replace lost information in accounts, and I feel I've done that.
If you don't want "straw man" arguments or other vagueness, then perhaps you should first narrow the rules of your challenge to a scope that doesn't allow broad generalizations, or restricts the valid responses to the question you had in mind? In other words, if you don't like the answer, ask a better question.
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Blackbird wrote:
Bendilin wrote:
Okay, you go to Geek Squad and ask them to get back your MapleStory character after your online wife deleted him from Wizet's server. You can come back after they've laughed their asses off at you and you have something to contribute other than straw men arguments.
Ah, but that's not the requirement you laid out for me.
Actually, that's exactly the requirement I laid out for you.
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The objective was not to see if a data restoration company will actually replace a lost Maple story character.
The objective had absolutely nothing to do with a data restoration company at all, specifically there's shit all they can do about the situation. Reading the rest of the post; "Fuck, most places won't restore your account or content even when THEY delete it by mistake themselves, simply telling you to start over again/recreate it. It doesn't matter what it's for either. A video game, email account, online art community, dating profile, you very own website. If something's gone, it's gone, and the host will just tell you, 'Tough shit, start again.'" Hmmm...I OBVIOUSLY was talking about Windows user accounts!
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Quoting the rules of the challenge again, laid out by you:
"I'll literally pay you $10 if you can find me any business that will restore your deleted information to the way it was after a user with access to your account deleted it."
Nothing is mentioned in your rule about replacing a character. Instead, you suggested that I find a business that will restore "deleted information... [in an account]". Furthermore, nothing is said in those rules about a server/storage situation where you don't personally own your files in your rules either. Your rules could just as easily apply to a situation where a user with access to your Windows admin account deletes files on your personal/home computer. In that situation, replacing the lost files would be very easy, realistic, and practical with the services I've mentioned. All I needed to satisfy the challenge, as you have laid it out, was to prove that companies replace lost information in accounts, and I feel I've done that.
"I'll literally pay you $10 if you can find me any business that will restore your deleted information to the way it was after a user with access to your account deleted it."
Nothing is mentioned in your rule about replacing a character. Instead, you suggested that I find a business that will restore "deleted information... [in an account]". Furthermore, nothing is said in those rules about a server/storage situation where you don't personally own your files in your rules either. Your rules could just as easily apply to a situation where a user with access to your Windows admin account deletes files on your personal/home computer. In that situation, replacing the lost files would be very easy, realistic, and practical with the services I've mentioned. All I needed to satisfy the challenge, as you have laid it out, was to prove that companies replace lost information in accounts, and I feel I've done that.
I'm sorry, but when you're in a topic specifically about deleting account information from a company's server, it's retarded to assume that's not what people are going to be talking about. Tell me, have you ever waltzed into a Home Hardware, asked for a screw, then belittled the people there because they led you to the nail and screw aisle instead of presenting you a prostitute? Lord.
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If you don't want "straw man" arguments or other vagueness, then perhaps you should first narrow the rules of your challenge to a scope that doesn't allow broad generalizations, or restricts the valid responses to the question you had in mind? In other words, if you don't like the answer, ask a better question.
Oh, because when everyone here was on the subject of a MapleStory character being deleted, I randomly decided to be different by bringing up the subject of Windows user accounts. Or, just maybe, you actually do need to do something about tyour reading comprehension issue to prevent such juvenile mistakes from happening again.
Re: Woman arrested for killing off Husband's AVI in Maple Story
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Gozu wrote:
everyone get the facts first.
fact 1: they were married in maplestory
fact 2: he gave her his password while they were 'married'
fact 3: they have never met in person, so she logged into his account from her computer
this was entirely digital. i don't see how she can be convicted of "hacking" if all she did was log into his account and delete something, which he apparently voluntarily destroyed the security to
i also don't see why the repercussions should spill into the real world, unless monetary goods were involved
fact 1: they were married in maplestory
fact 2: he gave her his password while they were 'married'
fact 3: they have never met in person, so she logged into his account from her computer
this was entirely digital. i don't see how she can be convicted of "hacking" if all she did was log into his account and delete something, which he apparently voluntarily destroyed the security to
i also don't see why the repercussions should spill into the real world, unless monetary goods were involved
THIS. Thank you, Gozu. That's what I was looking for, I know I had seen a version that said that the guy gave his password to the girl, and the girl used that information. That's not hacking. Although if she should have been convicted of anything, it should have been destruction of digital data.
Even then, I don't think she should have been arrested. It's stupid.
Also, the rest of you who are arguing over who will restore deleted data, honestly, take it to PMs, because it's not the point of the topic. It's not going to change what happened to the girl, or what could have happened, because if she were to be convicted for destruction of digital data, it wouldn't amount to shit whether it could be restored or not.
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Re: Woman arrested for killing off Husband's AVI in Maple Story
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Re: Woman arrested for killing off Husband's AVI in Maple Story
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