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New Lincoln movie? What, the one with Daniel Day-Lewis?
How does Lincoln have anything to do with Disney....?
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I know another cliche is when all the characters are saved, but that doesn't mean they all have to die. Surely there is a way out of it. It's just so plain and unoriginal. It can really turn what seems to be a good movie into a mediocre, straight to DVD movie that you're never going to watch again.
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Lucy wrote:
I really hate it when, at the end of a horror movie, all the characters die. It's usually either that or the whole world is destroyed. Why can't they think of an original ending? It is possible, yet they just think they can cut the movie off by killing everyone, even though they've all had character development.
I know another cliche is when all the characters are saved, but that doesn't mean they all have to die. Surely there is a way out of it. It's just so plain and unoriginal. It can really turn what seems to be a good movie into a mediocre, straight to DVD movie that you're never going to watch again.
I know another cliche is when all the characters are saved, but that doesn't mean they all have to die. Surely there is a way out of it. It's just so plain and unoriginal. It can really turn what seems to be a good movie into a mediocre, straight to DVD movie that you're never going to watch again.
I remember asking my horror movie loving friend, "I wonder if there's ever going to be a horror movie where nobody dies."
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Emiko Gale wrote:
Lucy wrote:
I really hate it when, at the end of a horror movie, all the characters die. It's usually either that or the whole world is destroyed. Why can't they think of an original ending? It is possible, yet they just think they can cut the movie off by killing everyone, even though they've all had character development.
I know another cliche is when all the characters are saved, but that doesn't mean they all have to die. Surely there is a way out of it. It's just so plain and unoriginal. It can really turn what seems to be a good movie into a mediocre, straight to DVD movie that you're never going to watch again.
I know another cliche is when all the characters are saved, but that doesn't mean they all have to die. Surely there is a way out of it. It's just so plain and unoriginal. It can really turn what seems to be a good movie into a mediocre, straight to DVD movie that you're never going to watch again.
I remember asking my horror movie loving friend, "I wonder if there's ever going to be a horror movie where nobody dies."
Maybe the main character was actually dreaming or their friend set the whole thing up as a joke.
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CatMuto wrote:
I think he meant "Snow White & the Huntsman"
New Lincoln movie? What, the one with Daniel Day-Lewis?
How does Lincoln have anything to do with Disney....?
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New Lincoln movie? What, the one with Daniel Day-Lewis?
How does Lincoln have anything to do with Disney....?
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We'd moved on from Disney it was just about movies that didn't need extra added violence, like Snow White and Hansel and Gretel.
Though that brings up another point for me.
I hate adding deep adult romances to things that don't need them. Case in point: Snow White and the Huntsman, The Huntsman plays a small but significant role, oh wait....no it goes full blown love triangle. The Huntsman is actually elevated to main character and love interest.
It was made infinitely worse when I found out Bella Swan was the protagonist, just doing the whole Girl-Gruff Individual-Noble Individual love triangle again where everyone fights over her and she is worthless.
Bloody riled me up.
Another one that did it was Red Riding Hood (2011) another modern issue where Red is a full grown woman and is wrapped in a romance torn between the wolf (now a werewolf) and her huntsman boyfriend. I mean I know the story CAN be interpreted as being about sexual maturity and growing up and everything but it's not overt, the power is lost when you make it a bloody dumb three-way love triangle.
Also done by the person who directed twilight....so I shouldn't be surprised there's a dumb love triangle.
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soreveil wrote:
Emiko Gale wrote:
Lucy wrote:
I really hate it when, at the end of a horror movie, all the characters die. It's usually either that or the whole world is destroyed. Why can't they think of an original ending? It is possible, yet they just think they can cut the movie off by killing everyone, even though they've all had character development.
I know another cliche is when all the characters are saved, but that doesn't mean they all have to die. Surely there is a way out of it. It's just so plain and unoriginal. It can really turn what seems to be a good movie into a mediocre, straight to DVD movie that you're never going to watch again.
I know another cliche is when all the characters are saved, but that doesn't mean they all have to die. Surely there is a way out of it. It's just so plain and unoriginal. It can really turn what seems to be a good movie into a mediocre, straight to DVD movie that you're never going to watch again.
I remember asking my horror movie loving friend, "I wonder if there's ever going to be a horror movie where nobody dies."
Maybe the main character was actually dreaming or their friend set the whole thing up as a joke.
The latter could be kind of funny, I guess. But the whole "wake up to find it was only a dream" thing should never be done. It would be just as annoying as if all the characters died. Fortunately, I have yet to see an ending like that.
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Pierre wrote:
Another one that did it was Red Riding Hood (2011) another modern issue where Red is a full grown woman and is wrapped in a romance torn between the wolf (now a werewolf) and her huntsman boyfriend. I mean I know the story CAN be interpreted as being about sexual maturity and growing up and everything but it's not overt, the power is lost when you make it a bloody dumb three-way love triangle.
Also done by the person who directed twilight....so I shouldn't be surprised there's a dumb love triangle.
Also done by the person who directed twilight....so I shouldn't be surprised there's a dumb love triangle.
Oooh, I think I remember that one!
Well, the Bum Review from That Guy With The Glasses on that movie. They also made constant references to, "Are you sure this isn't Twilight Part 4?" I'm not sure how the story can be interpreted about sexual maturity.... I always thought it was just one of those cautoniary tales you tell kids. "Don't talk to strangers. Don't stray from the path to your goal." That sort of thing.
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The latter could be kind of funny, I guess. But the whole "wake up to find it was only a dream" thing should never be done. It would be just as annoying as if all the characters died. Fortunately, I have yet to see an ending like that.
North does it. Then again, that movie is so full of racistical stereotypes, it's a surprise the entire movie ever got greenlighted. Although, I'm not a person who cares if somebody is being a racist....
Actually, several movies use the "It was all a Dream" plot twist at the end. Even Alice in Wonderland.
I guess, at times, it can be done well. Mostly, though, it can be used as a way to "Reset" things, especially if a sequel is planned or is being made.
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CatMuto wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Another one that did it was Red Riding Hood (2011) another modern issue where Red is a full grown woman and is wrapped in a romance torn between the wolf (now a werewolf) and her huntsman boyfriend. I mean I know the story CAN be interpreted as being about sexual maturity and growing up and everything but it's not overt, the power is lost when you make it a bloody dumb three-way love triangle.
Also done by the person who directed twilight....so I shouldn't be surprised there's a dumb love triangle.
Also done by the person who directed twilight....so I shouldn't be surprised there's a dumb love triangle.
Oooh, I think I remember that one!
Well, the Bum Review from That Guy With The Glasses on that movie. They also made constant references to, "Are you sure this isn't Twilight Part 4?" I'm not sure how the story can be interpreted about sexual maturity.... I always thought it was just one of those cautoniary tales you tell kids. "Don't talk to strangers. Don't stray from the path to your goal." That sort of thing.
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Yeah I did as well, apparently Wikipedia disagrees.
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Doesn't matter what franchise they put this in, be it in a videogame, manga, anime, movie, play, etc. I just hate seeing this happen. They try to make the villain look sympathetic to the audience, to make us feel bad for disliking him previously. For some reason, they suddenly show parts of the villain's backstory, have some of the characters have a discussion revealing previously unknown parts of the villain or flat-out give us a random scene at the end that is supposed to make us feel bad for the villain.
Why can't a villain just do things because he's evil or he simply enjoys creating chaos? No, now everybody needs a terribly sad, obvious bad backstory and we're supposed to just take it. And most of the backstories that result in being the 'reason' for the villain's are so boring and barely explain anything, they put it in and don't even explain it well. Bad Childhood. Betrayal by friends. Lost lover. Basically, that's all the backstory we get and that supposedly explains everything.
Spoiler: Example of terrible Sympathetic Villains
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Sympathetic Villains
Doesn't matter what franchise they put this in, be it in a videogame, manga, anime, movie, play, etc. I just hate seeing this happen. They try to make the villain look sympathetic to the audience, to make us feel bad for disliking him previously. For some reason, they suddenly show parts of the villain's backstory, have some of the characters have a discussion revealing previously unknown parts of the villain or flat-out give us a random scene at the end that is supposed to make us feel bad for the villain.
Why can't a villain just do things because he's evil or he simply enjoys creating chaos? No, now everybody needs a terribly sad, obvious bad backstory and we're supposed to just take it. And most of the backstories that result in being the 'reason' for the villain's are so boring and barely explain anything, they put it in and don't even explain it well. Bad Childhood. Betrayal by friends. Lost lover. Basically, that's all the backstory we get and that supposedly explains everything.
I somehow have this feeling like I've done this post before
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Doesn't matter what franchise they put this in, be it in a videogame, manga, anime, movie, play, etc. I just hate seeing this happen. They try to make the villain look sympathetic to the audience, to make us feel bad for disliking him previously. For some reason, they suddenly show parts of the villain's backstory, have some of the characters have a discussion revealing previously unknown parts of the villain or flat-out give us a random scene at the end that is supposed to make us feel bad for the villain.
Why can't a villain just do things because he's evil or he simply enjoys creating chaos? No, now everybody needs a terribly sad, obvious bad backstory and we're supposed to just take it. And most of the backstories that result in being the 'reason' for the villain's are so boring and barely explain anything, they put it in and don't even explain it well. Bad Childhood. Betrayal by friends. Lost lover. Basically, that's all the backstory we get and that supposedly explains everything.
Spoiler: Example of terrible Sympathetic Villains
I somehow have this feeling like I've done this post before
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I actually really like this one. I'm a fan of not entirely black and white morality in fictional mediums as I feel it better reflects reality how no one is purely evil or purely good.
An the alternative to this is to have the emo/psycho/villain protagonist, granted that CAN be done brilliantly (see Devil's Attorney) but I much prefer a well done sympathetic villain to a Shadow the Hedgehog or Sasuke.
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Pierre wrote:
I actually really like this one. I'm a fan of not entirely black and white morality in fictional mediums as I feel it better reflects reality how no one is purely evil or purely good.
An the alternative to this is to have the emo/psycho/villain protagonist, granted that CAN be done brilliantly (see Devil's Attorney) but I much prefer a well done sympathetic villain to a Shadow the Hedgehog or Sasuke.
An the alternative to this is to have the emo/psycho/villain protagonist, granted that CAN be done brilliantly (see Devil's Attorney) but I much prefer a well done sympathetic villain to a Shadow the Hedgehog or Sasuke.
Technically, I think it's a good thing to do. You know, give the villain some depth and all. Just don't make it an all-sad-sob story, it feels forced. After all, a person isn't defined by one tragic or one euphoric moment in their life. It influences the way they are greatly, but it doesn't make it the single thing. I'd like to see a balance of good and bad things in the villain.
Make the villain interesting, but not by simply... giving him a backstory that is supposed to make us feel bad for ever thinking he was a bad guy.
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CatMuto wrote:
Pierre wrote:
I actually really like this one. I'm a fan of not entirely black and white morality in fictional mediums as I feel it better reflects reality how no one is purely evil or purely good.
An the alternative to this is to have the emo/psycho/villain protagonist, granted that CAN be done brilliantly (see Devil's Attorney) but I much prefer a well done sympathetic villain to a Shadow the Hedgehog or Sasuke.
An the alternative to this is to have the emo/psycho/villain protagonist, granted that CAN be done brilliantly (see Devil's Attorney) but I much prefer a well done sympathetic villain to a Shadow the Hedgehog or Sasuke.
Technically, I think it's a good thing to do. You know, give the villain some depth and all. Just don't make it an all-sad-sob story, it feels forced. After all, a person isn't defined by one tragic or one euphoric moment in their life. It influences the way they are greatly, but it doesn't make it the single thing. I'd like to see a balance of good and bad things in the villain.
Make the villain interesting, but not by simply... giving him a backstory that is supposed to make us feel bad for ever thinking he was a bad guy.
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Well that depends on how you think about it.
Here's (what I consider) a successful example of a sympathetic villain.
Magneto
He's had an incredibly tragic past but the events aren't entirely unbelievable (since they are founded in real history) and his story may ring with others. It's easy to see how his childhood skewed his beliefs and views of people in the world. We'd call him deluded and feel bad for what happened but we wouldn't hate him.
A good sympathetic villain in my eyes is one that when it comes to the inevitable conflict and eventual loss you hope they could find another resolution but know that through the strength of the villain's beliefs there is no other way.
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eliska wrote:
re: sympathetic villains, does loki (thor/avengers) fall into that category?
Depends, I don't really think he's THAT sympathetic but I suppose it's a reason for him to be evil.
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