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I hate it when the hero is about to get important info for from a guy and he dies.

Although Shrek the third pulls it off pretty well.
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I hate when there are long dramatic scenes with no words, just background scores, that go on forever.
IE: Most of the end of "Close Encounters with the Third Kind"(I think thats the title)
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I hate it when the hero is about to get important info for from a guy and he dies.

Although Shrek the third pulls it off pretty well.


HA!

Shrek the third was one of the worst excuses for a CGI movie i've ever seen (Haven't seen Doogal or happily N'ever after yet, though)

I also hate Movies in which it turns out the bad guy in the whole movie was the main characters split personality

Spoiler: Example
High Tension, Hide and seek and secret window

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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... rimination

Becoming more and more common, and stays just as annoying as ever.

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You know what I hate in movies, and one of the reasons I hate horror movies?

-lol the kid did it i sher dint see that one coming.

It's stupid.
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Well, I have to say I hate movies who have really stupid and vulnerable characters. If your car breaks down in the middle of nowhere, I don't really think it's completely safe to walk around unguarded in an area you have no knowledge about. Especially when it's at night D:

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I also hate Movies in which it turns out the bad guy in the whole movie was the main characters split personality


But you know, Identity pulled off that twist pretty well...
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^Agreed, but...
Spoiler: IDENTITY SPOILERS
It uses my hated cliche: lol the kid did it

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^Agreed, but...
Spoiler: IDENTITY SPOILERS
It uses my hated cliche: lol the kid did it


Hahahaha. That's true though xD
It's like... That movie. What was it called? The Omen, I think. Ugh. I hated that movie >:
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I can usually deal with most cliches (mainly by closing my eyes, sticking my fingers in my ears and screaming, "LALALALALALAA"...I'm not allowed in most theaters anymore) but the ones that really make me annoyed are:

- Girls in high heels doing kung-fu or something equally rediculous. THEY'RE HIGH HEELS, YOU WALK IN THEM AND NOT MUCH ELSE
- Any Bond film
- Stupid kid in a horror film runs off randomly ("This is a perfectly safe dark alley way!")
- Those irritating quips that the lead male and female trade off that are vaugly sexual in nature during the action scene. Then they have sex. Right after the sex there are guns and shooting and more annoying one-liners... At that point I don't just want my money back I want the time of my life I took to watch the movie back.
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Ooh! I just remember a good one: The classic, poorly scripted flick in which a bunch of teenagers set off on a grand quest to find treasure and other shit like that. In the beginning they act in their own interests but by the end they realize that the treasure basically sucked and what really matters most is friendship.
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First off, to comment on the majority of the cliches already mentioned:

Deus ex Machina: This happens so often, it's insane. It happened once in the Blackadder Episode 6: "The Black Seal" where apparently, the two dimwitted characters actually knew about the plan to kill the royal family and intentionally poisoned drinks, which the antagonists consumed. Unfortunately, said dimwitted characters actually poisoned the whole vat, accidentally killing the entire royal family including the main protagonist.

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Orphan. With. A. Fucking. Tragic. Past.


The two main characters of Naruto, anyone? My word, I HATE THIS CLICHE!!

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And not much of a cliche, but I also hate good games/shows being turned into movies. Example is the live-action Super Mario Bros. film. It. must. die.


Woah woah woah! There were some jems in that category! Family Guy Blue Harvest, Blackadder: Back and Forth, Futurama: Bender's Big Score, etc. It depends on who makes the movie, not the basis of the movie.

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I absolutely hate it when a character chooses to sacrifice their lives for the greater good, when there was a perfectly good way to save said character... especially when they draw out the whole scene with "OMG but you're going to die!" "It's ok, this is my decision. This is to save the entire world."NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"


I, too, hate this cliche with a vengeance. Then again, I wouldn't mind if some select characters in Pop Culture used this cliche. Tingle, for example. "KOOLOO LIMPAH!!!!!" *Tingle runs into horde of 500 or so enemies and uses a Tingle Bomb on himself*. That would make me cheer and shout as I go on my merry way.

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1) When the villain straps the hero to a needlessly complicated death machine (that either doesn't work or is easily escaped from), and then tells the hero their entire plan. Why not just shoot him in the head and feed his corpse to sharks or pirahnas?


That reminds me of the entire trilogy of Austin Powers, especially the first movie.

(Note: Dr. Evil's entire plan was revealed before this scene)
Dr. Evil: Scott, I want you to meet daddy's nemesis, Austin Powers
Scott Evil: What? Are you feeding him? Why don't you just kill him?
Dr. Evil: I have an even better idea. I'm going to place him in an easily escapable situation involving an overly elaborate and exotic death.
*a few minutes later*
Dr. Evil: All right guard, begin the unnecessarily slow-moving dipping mechanism.
[guard starts dipping mechanism]
Dr. Evil: Close the tank!
Scott Evil: Wait, aren't you even going to watch them? They could get away!
Dr. Evil: No no no, I'm going to leave them alone and not actually witness them dying, I'm just gonna assume it all went to plan. What?
Scott Evil: I have a gun, in my room, you give me five seconds, I'll get it, I'll come back down here, BOOM, I'll blow their brains out!
Dr. Evil: Scott, you just don't get it, do ya? You don't.

...then the second movie.

Scott: If you've got a time machine, why don't you just go back and kill Austin Powers when he's sitting on the crapper or something?
Dr. Evil: How about, no, Scott? Okay?

...later...

Dr. Evil: As you know, every diabolical scheme I've hatched has been thwarted by Austin Powers. And why is that, ladies and gentlemen?
Scott: Because you never kill him when you get the chance, and you're a dope?

...and the third movie, before Austin is even captured...

Dr. Evil: Using my time machine I shall travel back to 1975, pick up Goldmember and bring him back to the future. And the best part of this plan is... no one can stop me. Not even... Austin Powers.
[All laugh maliciously]
Austin Powers: Not so fast. You're surrounded, Doctor Evil.
Dr. Evil: Shit.

...and to keep proving that this guy is a complete idiot...

Dr. Evil: Our early attempts at a tractor beam went through several preparations. Preparations A through G were a complete failure. But now, ladies and gentlemen, we finally have a working tractor beam, which we shall call... Preparation H.
[Scott snickers]
Dr. Evil: What?
Scott Evil: Why don't you just call it operation ass-cream, you ass.
Dr. Evil: I'm sorry, did you say you want some ice cream?
Scott Evil: Yes, I'd love some chocolate ass-cream.
Dr. Evil: Perhaps later.
Number 2: Dr. Evil, I love your plan.
Dr. Evil: You do?
Frau Farbissina: Yah. It's a really good plan.
Dr. Evil: Yes Frau, on the whole Preparation H feels good.
[Scott resumes snickering]
Dr. Evil: What is it now?
Scott Evil: No, I totally agree with you. Preparation H does feel good... on the hole.

Anyway, enough of that tangent...

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2) When one guy takes down an entire army without getting killed (think Rambo/any Chuck Norris film).


Didn't that happen in Kingdom Hearts 2 as well? Also, it also happened off-screen in Blackadder when Richard IV went into battle by himself vs the entire turkish army and killed them all with a paring knife. For those who don't know, a paring knife is normally used to peel fruit for food prep.

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6) Bombs always have a display so the hero can see how much time they have left. Hero also defuses said bomb with less than 10 seconds remaining.


This was actually parodied upon in "Galaxy Quest". Tim Allen played this actor playing a starship captain on a TV series not unlike Star Trek who was taken aboard a working replica of the set he worked on. Near the end of the movie, he defuses the bomb with 30 or so seconds left on the clock. However, the timer keeps running after they abort the sequence. Assuming the buttom was broken, he and his female co-star start screaming about why the button didn't work. When the timer reaches 00:00:01, the timer stops and the self-destruct sequence is aborted. Then the female co-star slaps Tim's arm and exclaims "It always stops at 1 on the show!".

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In survival horror or action movies or whatever, when someone says, "Don't touch it!" or "Everyone stay together!" or "Don't push that button that says "WARNING: DO NOT PUSH THIS BUTTON" on it!" someone finds a stupid reason to do the opposite of what they were warned not to do.. presumably to advance the plot.


Something similar was in the movie "Men in Black". Will Smith was told never to push the little red button on the top of the gear stick in Tommy Lee Jones's car. Near the end, he is told by Tommy Lee Jones to push the button, in which the car moves at 3x the speed and starts driving on the ceiling of a highway tunnel in Queens.

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-grunts and guards have ungodly terrible aim.


This is more commonly referred to as the "Stormtrooper Effect". Born out of the horrible aim of the Stormtroopers in the original Star Wars Trilogy, several movies have followed suit and gave random henchmen horrid aim. Such movies include "The Matrix" trilogy and "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".

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That's all for now, because I'm tired of writing in this reply. Part II of my analysis of cliches coming soon for those who care.
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You know what I hate in movies, and one of the reasons I hate horror movies?

-lol the kid did it i sher dint see that one coming.

It's stupid.


Oh God, that one sucks too. That cliche is probably one of the worst cliches there are out there next to DEM, Shaky cameras, the movies that turned out to be dreams,the most dark desolate place in thriller movies and the split personality gimmick.
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Saw 2 and the rest of that series.

Horror, gore, violence and blood for NO REASON and NO PLOT. Just nothing but blood, blood and blood. Oh, and creepy music.

I love Saw because of the mind games, though.

Oh, and romance movies that is mostly about this guy and this girl meeting somewhere at some time... and one of them does not turn up oh no! Will the other one wait?! ZOMG!

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I hate the intelligent strong willed humourless female turns sexy tool and falls for the main guy cliche, iRobot did this really badly, but then iRobot was just a Cliche Sea....
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The bad guy falling off a ledge.

High School Musical.
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-Teenagers always the targets in getting killed most of the time.
-Horror films having the targets running upstairs when being chased.
-Black people get killed first. (Not trying to be racist, but it still bothers me.)
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For me its that the hero always wins, and that is especially true in American movies. It just takes all sense of suspense away.

Oh, and the worst when it comes to clichés are romantic comedies. Always the same plot: couple falls apart, comes back together, falls apart again and at the very end start loving each other again.
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Oh I've got another one!

Its not really a cliche.. but the happy moral ending. Especially american TV shows/films ie someone is a bitch/bastard but realises the error of their ways, repents and becomes an all round nice kinda person. All the happiness and cheese makes me metaphorically vomit.
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For me its that the hero always wins, and that is especially true in American movies. It just takes all sense of suspense away.


Seconded with enough emphasis to extinguish the sun.


Also, clean-cut heroes and villains, where we KNOW one is going to win and one is going to lose. I like my villains with believable agendas and redeeming qualities, and my heroes with active prejudices and murkier moralities. Ambiguity, people! It makes it worth watching!

Also, put me down for the Stormtrooper Syndrome. You'd think that people would hire their troops from somewhere OTHER than Cheapy's Mook Palace.

Also, Deus Ex Machina. It's painfully simple to make a logical reason for the antagonist to fall without winding up the God-in-a-Box.

Heh. That's an awesome term. Kudos to Black-Harmonia.

Also, when the final, killing blow on the antagonist is this cinematic, causality-defying and unprecedentally-improbable shot mixed in with a cheesy one-liner. Having a major villain (or even hero) die in a direct or even casual fashion makes it all the more poignant.

Also, NO MORE MARY-SUES. Flaws are entertaining; flawless characters are empty and uninteresting. See 'clean-cut heroes and villains' above.

And that's my rule. :godot:
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Only one. To add to the sacrificed or death of a main character: IT. ALWAYS. RAINS. Dammit, this cliche has been used to often in my opinion (Especially the whole "NOOOOOOOOOO!" Cinematic ending) I hate this to the extreme.
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Also, NO MORE MARY-SUES. Flaws are entertaining; flawless characters are empty and uninteresting. See 'clean-cut heroes and villains' above.


I think you forget what a "Mary Sue" is. It is a character whose life has literally been a living hell, but overcomes his/her dark past over the course of the series/movie/RP.

I hate this stereotype for more reasons than a normal person could state.

First, everyone who begins roleplaying starts out trying the Mary Sue character. Completely unoriginal and shameful.

The second reason is personal, but you get the jist if you're smart enough about why I won't say anything. If you figure it out, please don't say anything.

The third reason is that Mary Sues = Emos. I prefer not to be in a roleplay with a character surrounded with a bunch of angst. It's not fun for me or anyone else as Angst is a rather niche genre that has it's own exclusive audience.
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Only one. To add to the sacrificed or death of a main character: IT. ALWAYS. RAINS. Dammit, this cliche has been used to often in my opinion (Especially the whole "NOOOOOOOOOO!" Cinematic ending) I hate this to the extreme.


Not to mention the downshot as the person cries to the heavens about the injustice and the camera pans upward into the sky lol. Total cheese.
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I KNOW! I hate raining in sad scenes too. IT DRIVES ME INSANE. >:O
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Hakuro de Killer wrote:
Bossmuff wrote:
Also, NO MORE MARY-SUES. Flaws are entertaining; flawless characters are empty and uninteresting. See 'clean-cut heroes and villains' above.


I think you forget what a "Mary Sue" is. It is a character whose life has literally been a living hell, but overcomes his/her dark past over the course of the series/movie/RP.


Actually, that's not the full definition. It can be part of it, but it's not the definitive trait of the Mary Sue.

A Mary Sue is a character who is quintessentially RIGHT, and is so emphasized and exalted by the writer that it's made clear that they are never supposed to fail or be in the wrong. They're essentially either a vehicle for the creator's viewpoints, or a self-insertion fantasy.

These definitions agree:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

And yes, they are annoying in fiction and RPs, because they are not interesting. They WILL always win, WILL do things that make no sense, and will NEVER be wrong regardless of how unbelievably stupid they are.


Also, I agree with rain being overused. Personally, I want to see a sacrifice followed by a psychotic hallucinatory episode as the love interest has a nervous breakdown.

But that's me. :keiko:
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*Continues to kill conversations*

Oh where to start.

Person: You're fired!
Person 2: You can't fire me..BECAUSE I QUIT!

Also the pitiful fact in almost every movie in which the main character is a male, he magically finds a woman and has a staring contest with her for a good 10 minutes. Then in the end they end up together (always.)

Speaking of romance, I also cannot stand the cliche of someone being caught doing something that looks like kissing, when in actuality it is something completely different. Then the person who catches you blows things out of proportion and is all emo about it.
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^That reminded me of a cheesy script I heard in a fairly recent movie (cookie for whoever recognizes it)

Hero up back-to-back with his friend and are in a huge battle with a bunch of monsters.
Hero: I could use a little help over here!
Friend: I'm a little BUSY right now!

I don't know HOW many times I've heard that exchange in a movie/TV show before, but it needs to STOP. COMING. BACK.
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The hero and the ultimate bad guy are locked in a battle to the death. The bad guy has the hero cornered and near dead, yet the hero recovers magically somehow and kicks the bad guy's ass.
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Or magically gets a last-minute power-up. =_=...
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The whole movie being seemingly a dream, then something happens in the real world that disproves it being a dream.

Click, anyone?
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The whole movie being seemingly a dream, then something happens in the real world that disproves it being a dream.

Click, anyone?


Click was more the opposite, really. Everything seems real then it all turns out to be a dream; which is even worse!
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The whole movie being seemingly a dream, then something happens in the real world that disproves it being a dream.

Click, anyone?


Click was more the opposite, really. Everything seems real then it all turns out to be a dream; which is even worse!


Surprisingly, I seem completely impervious to that particular cliche...
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I've always loved a story where the good guy loses. Have I read any or something? Romeo and Juliet must be the only one like... ever. Besides Avatar the Last Airbender's Season 2 finale. Now THAT was epic and awesomesauce.
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As far as romance movies go. A rich boy/girl falls in love with a poor girl/boy. It's ridiculous as hell.
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I hate the "kiss of life" cliche like nothing else. You know, when a person tries to magically bring someone back to life via a kiss.

For some reason, it also bothers me when I see actresses look constantly glamorous, no matter what the situation.

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Like at the end of Rent, when Rosario Dawson's character had an overdose. What the f%^&? NOBODY should look that gorgeous after overdosing on cocaine.


Oh, and somebody already mentioned this, but I hate seeing impossible feats of spectacular grace and dexterity be performed in high heels and skimpy outfits. I'm looking at you, Halle Berry's Catwoman.
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"You'll never catch me, X good guy!"
*jumps off building*
*Appears in helicopter*

would to be great if the villain missed helicopter.
when I herd that my sister was thinking of a name for the new baby I suggested (Vince "vice" Aversa then she looked at me and said "Can you put the DS down and help youre sister the crib out of the attic"
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KeatontheBlackJackal wrote:
Oh, and somebody already mentioned this, but I hate seeing impossible feats of spectacular grace and dexterity be performed in high heels and skimpy outfits. I'm looking at you, Halle Berry's Catwoman.


Oh, I hate that one. That's why all my characters have more appropriate clothing, even though a lot of people complain to me that they're not sexy enough.

I've always hated high heels anyway so whatever.
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Children..going to deep galaxies..with no helmets..and get to Mars in a munite..

People who THINK they're normal, but end up being like, this mystical creature or royalty or something.
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