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HORROR MOVIES CLICHES:
1: A crazy wacko finds some reason for revenge. And starts hacking at some teenagers friends.
2: A haunted house full of demons.
3: Creatures that are ghosts and somehow are able to kill people.
4: Children being able to contact the demons/ghosts
5: Being killed in some over the top gore scene that doesn't make the movie any better!
6: Repeat this scene except with the dead person's girlfriend/boyfriend.
7: The Black guy ALWAYS dies first (no, I'm not being rascist, I've seen way too many movies where this has happened)
8: Some hot blonde chick with large breasts, somehow miraculously survives, covered in blood with her already skimpy outfit torn somewhat.
9: A The End??? At the end of the movie
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I really, really hope you're in for a long rant. Otherwise, please skip my post.

Horror Films Specifically
• Torture films. Sick blights on our society that promote gruesome violence and torture. They are not needed, not wanted, and are nothing but ugly, sinful messages of hate and pain. There is no point to them except to feed those who like carnage.
• Urban and mystical legends always being true. Just once, could a legend not be true?
• The "You deserve to die if you" message. It's so stupid how they promote that young people deserve to die if you drink, smoke, swear, and/or have sex.
• Loud blaring music accompanied with pop-out. A pop-out should be scary on it's own.
• Music during tense moments. It'd be more tense if there WAS no music to make it more realistic; there's no music in real-life.
• Serial killers know where they are hiding, running to, where the weapons are stored, and how to control their breathing if they're hiding in the shadows.
• No one ever runs so much they simply cannot move anymore or throw up. Especially not serial killers.
• Serial killers, murderous creatures, and the like don't die. So they can murder over ten or twenty people, but they continue to live? How fair is that?
* This is most annoying for Jason, Freddy, and the like. They murder and kill and massacre, but the moral of the story is that they deserve to live and murder more? Sheesh.
• Nerds are always socially awkward, usually with glasses. Why is intellect a bad thing?
• Serial killers being philosophical. No no no, look up history's most notorious serial killers, they are all psychotic with major mental problems.
• Worst upon worst of all, sympathy for the murderers or killers. "I pity that poor monster/man, even though he gutted my brother, my best friend, and tried to kill me."
* Or if the film tries to sympathize for the killer.

Romance Films, and I'm a romantic, don't get me wrong.
• Sex is a reward for any action men take in a relationship. It's like a chick flick's way to appeal to men.
• Men are always wrong. Look at the The Break-Up.
• When women have to physically get "prettier" for men to notice them.
• Any lie, no matter how big or small or worst of all to prevent the other from being hurt, triggers a, "You lied to me," scene. *sighs*
• Men are always insensitive.
• Increased profanity in romantic films. You know people, Cary Grant and Audrey Hepburn didn't curse, we don't need f-word and a-word and s-word in romantic films.
• Romance films always situated in a normal, real-life setting. Why can't we have sci-fi or fantasy movies primarly on romance instead of wars and fighting bugs/goblins/bug-like goblins?
• Men are also really slow.
• If the couple really hits it off, the writers just have to throw in an argument scene. Especially if they have just had sex.
• Men who are so stupid that when they are in a great relationship with a great women, they are pulled towards any other female in the universe, or an ex who treated them badly.
• Finally, premarital sex. Can't ANY couple wait? Seriously, they're lucky they're not in a horror film.

Comedies, my favorite!
• Sad scenes in comedies. No no NO! I don't want sadness, depression, angst, or tension in my comedies! I want comedy, pure comedy!
• The 'she's sexy I must do as she says' is so overdone. And how come women never go like this over men?

Action/Adventure
• Cars. Do NOT. Blow up. (Except Pintos, thank you Top Secret! :) )
• In fact, most stuff would not blow up if shot at or crashed.
• Especially if it's in space.
• Extra especially if anything blows up, except for the ship that the hero is on when it crash-lands.
• Most people, believe it or not, do not die instantly when shot. Besides the heart and brain, and even then, most do not die instantly. Shock takes a while too.
• Speaking of shock, no one goes into it when seriously injured, attacked by monsters, alien invasion, loved one killed in front of you, giant animal attack, etc.. Not even when the person is NOT expecting such a thing to happen (like monsters suddenly appearing in real life).
* Oh, and if someone actually DOES go into shock, they're portrayed as useless.
• Villians with exceptionally good aim miss the hero.
• In fact, anyone with exceptionally good aim missing someone in a hallway or out in the open.
• Soldiers, our finest, army and air force and navy and marines, being USELESS.
• Why do villains want to destroy the world? What do they gain from it? They must have some reason for wanting to destroy the world, otherwise the movie up until the end is pointless bickering! (And it better not be a secret!)
• Concussions are serious things. People can die from concussions, and those that wake up usually suffer mental slowness for a while, dizziness, and take time to recover, they don't just jump up.

Children
• If kids get power in movies, they are facists that rival Stalin (minus killing). They are upstarts who immediate grate the nerves of anyone over 12. And the worst part of it is, give a good kid power in a movie, he becomes a dictator five minutes later, even in movies that aren't comedies.
• Being a brat = cute and endearing? No no no. Being huffy, uncontrollable, unreasonable, insulting, and worst of all, holier-than-thou, are all traits we don't like in kids. If you had the misfortune to see Zoom, you know what I mean.
• Kids who are not known for lying or being dishonest not being believed. Especially if very strange things are happening.
• Kids being useless and/or setbacks in movies. Just once, I'd like to see a kid who can take care of himself (and not be a brat).

Political, though I gotta warn ya, you won't like it if you're really leftist.
• Over-the-top preachiness on liberal policies. American Dreamz, The Day After Tomorrow, Runaway Jury, anything by Michael Moore, all perfect examples. It's so one-sided, it's disgraceful, and you rarely see anything for the other side in major movies and documentaries.
• Christians and Catholics being portrayed as hate mongers, intolerant, preachy, and sometimes homicidal. Last time I checked, the religion that slaughters people over things like beliefs and cartoons wasn't Christianity but God (oops) forbid we are negative to them.
• No black villains in movies that aren't predominately black. There are white, asian, hispanic, british, russian, german, even canadian, but not black.
• Movies that incorrectly tell history. Pearl Harbor is at the top. Good Night and Good Luck comes in close, especially since they show people who were historically being interrogated as supposed communists, then fail to mention that they WERE communists.
• Criminals, like gangsters, pimps, career robbers, and especially murderers being sympathized for and even shown as good people.

Other
• I want intermissions back. Movies are about 2 hours long average nowadays, a bathroom break would be nice.
• When you have token characters that the movie is based on but do not appear until half-way into the film. Like say, Transformers.
• Arrogant heroes who the whole world revolves around.
• Comic relief characters portrayed as annoying and/or useless. Just once, couldn't the funny guy be just as helpful and loved as, say, the love interest? (And not get killed? Comedy is my life, I support my comedy-in-arms comrades.)
• Heroes that trust the villain's word over those they care about. This ticks me off, especially when the liar doesn't even show proof of what he/she is saying, but the hero believes him/her anyway.
• When side characters are more interesting than main characters.
• Heroes that spare the villain's life, then turn their back to them. You just KNOW the villain is going to try to murder them the moment their back is turned.
• Villains who torture, murder, mass murder, rape, dictate, destroy, and slowly mutilate innocent people... get a quick death.
• Anyone who plays video games is portrayed as a nerd, and quite negatively too. (We all say BOO! to that, don't we? :) )
• Blond woman is smart and/or stern if she's wearing... (DUN-DUN-DUUUUUN)... glasses!
• On the flip side, dark-haired women with glasses are always portrayed as 'ugly' and 'socially inept'.
• Californians are stupid and stoners. Lay off my state!
• Foreigners always speak English, even if you're in their country.
• Bosses, especially police chiefs, being more of a hassle to the hero than the villain is.
• The villain never having any strife, no falling-out with his followers, no problems right until he loses to the hero. (Like it or not, Employee of the Month did a good job counterattacking this cliché.)
• A movie that can only progress if the character does something REALLY stupid.
• Trainers who are too strong and completely unlikable, even hateful (like Kill Bill 2; I swear, that movie, though not bad, would have been twice as good if she showed that arrogant, racist, sexist jerk).
• Movie titles that contradict the movie, like Alone in the Dark and John Tucker Must Die (I had such high hopes for that movie, and they end up fighting over him and APOLOGIZE to him, sigh).
• Not enough zombie movies.
• No Phoenix Wright movie yet.

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And worst of all, that we don't have Mystery Science Theater 3000 anymore to take care of the bad films. Least there is Rifftrax. :)

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• Any lie, no matter how big or small or worst of all to prevent the other from being hurt, triggers a, "You lied to me," scene. *sighs*



A-MEN! I always find that sort of plot device to be extremely overdone and melodramatic. I hates it. :<
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Only one. To add to the sacrificed or death of a main character: IT. ALWAYS. RAINS. Dammit, this cliche has been used to often in my opinion (Especially the whole "NOOOOOOOOOO!" Cinematic ending) I hate this to the extreme.


Not to mention the downshot as the person cries to the heavens about the injustice and the camera pans upward into the sky lol. Total cheese.


awoeihfweojfwlkzx I can't believe what I just saw:
Spoiler: Final Fantasy Crisis Core wtf
I was playing Crisis Core and one of Zack's friends died and this EXACT CLICHE HAPPENED. It started out great, Zack was all sad and emotional (at least he wasn't holding his friend in his arms), and holding his friend's treasured sword (a very meaningful one at that)... and I was feeling all sad, and then all of a sudden... IT RAINED. AND THEN IT DID THAT CHEESY CAMERA OVERHEAD SHOT. It ruined a perfectly fine death scene! Come on Squenix, enough with the cliches! :chinami:

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Also, I hate when the oldest person is always this kung-fu ninja person and is super strong. I don't find it funny after about the 20th time.

Why must the black guy not get featured in the video game? (Ghostbusters anyone?)

The black guy is always the one with the most problems

The black guy is always Will Smith or Tyler Perry in the good movies

Death is following them and wanting to kill them (Once I see it twice, I get annoyed by it, unless it's a sequel)

The country girl is always wearing that really small bandanna-like thing, have bad teeth, and have braids. (I've seen it more than once I'm pretty sure)

The main character having to die at the end of the movie for some reason.

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WHY MUST GOOD ALWAYS WIN???

There needs to be a movie where bad rips good a new asshole. That would make me sadistically satisfied.
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Romance Films, and I'm a romantic, don't get me wrong.
• Sex is a reward for any action men take in a relationship. It's like a chick flick's way to appeal to men.
• Men are always wrong. Look at the The Break-Up.
• When women have to physically get "prettier" for men to notice them.
• Any lie, no matter how big or small or worst of all to prevent the other from being hurt, triggers a, "You lied to me," scene. *sighs*
• Men are always insensitive.
• Increased profanity in romantic films. You know people, Cary Grant and Audrey Hepburn didn't curse, we don't need f-word and a-word and s-word in romantic films.
• Romance films always situated in a normal, real-life setting. Why can't we have sci-fi or fantasy movies primarly on romance instead of wars and fighting bugs/goblins/bug-like goblins?
• Men are also really slow.
• If the couple really hits it off, the writers just have to throw in an argument scene. Especially if they have just had sex.
• Men who are so stupid that when they are in a great relationship with a great women, they are pulled towards any other female in the universe, or an ex who treated them badly.
• Finally, premarital sex. Can't ANY couple wait? Seriously, they're lucky they're not in a horror film.

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WHY MUST GOOD ALWAYS WIN???

There needs to be a movie where bad rips good a new asshole. That would make me sadistically satisfied.


Hehe, you should see some of the movies on Mystery Science Theater 3000. There are several movies that evil wins. Like:
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• Pod People. Evil Trumpy survives!
• Stranded in Space. Hero fails to escape the bad planet.
• Rocketship XM. All main characters die.
• Tormented. Evil ghost lady gets her revenge.
• Monster A-Go-Go. No one wins. No one, so evil wins.
• Manos: The Hands of Fate. The worst movie ever, evil wins flat-out.
• Mitchell. Mitchell won!
• The Brain That Wouldn't Die. You know, I'm pretty sure that the bad people won there.
• Zombie Nightmare. See above.
• The Creeping Terror. Earth is doomed. Doh.
• Skydivers. Not a happy ending.
• High School Big Shot. Darkest... ending... ever.

I could go on. :)


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Movies that combine animation with real life, and outline the basis for a large helping of pure suck.
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I hate those scenes when they catch some guy doing something bad like cheating at poker or whatever and beat the crap out of him while he's tied to a chair. And they make it really loud and all you hear is some guy yelling at him and the guy screaming, and they do close ups of the guy's face and stuff. It's really disturbing, and it's in a lot of action movies.

I also really hate when something happens to a main character, like they get shot or stabbed or something, and it looks like there's no way to save them and then they get miraculously healed somehow just so the story can have a happy ending.
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Enter The Jaws Theme wrote:
WHY MUST GOOD ALWAYS WIN???

There needs to be a movie where bad rips good a new asshole. That would make me sadistically satisfied.


I agree with this. I prefer a story where the hero fails now and again, because it's unrealistic that a certain character type should ALWAYS succeed. Plus I love villains in general, and like to see them win now and again, so that the show doesn't seem rigged. :gant:

The funny thing is, you could do this and not make it feel unrewarding. Especially if you're not afraid of a tragic ending. It's even easier if the villain is sympathetic, too.

Off-topic examples below:

Spoiler: Movies with the Antagonist Winning
The Ring ended with the heroes losing, if I remember correctly. She went through the entire task of trying to save herself and her son by helping the ghost...only to discover that it didn't make any difference. :gant:

Silent Hill (the movie) ended with the bad guy winning and managing to not only take her revenge on everyone, but trapped and corrupted the surviving protagonists. Noteworthy because the ending was the only really good part of the entire movie, and made up for the rest of the poorly-connected scenes.

It's not a movie (though there are movies based on parts of it) but Romance of the Three Kingdoms ends with the 'bad guy' conquering all of China. I use the term loosely, because I don't consider Wei a villain myself, and the book is a biased work based on actual history.

Also, Camelot (and the King Arthur myths in general) end with the death of the Round Table and Arthur and the advent of lawlessness and chaos, though it's really the mutual destruction of the hero and the villain in the end.

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Disney rehashing old disney movies every year and titling it with "This is the last time this movie will be seen and then we are locking it away in the Disney vault!!"

Every year a new remastered Beauty and The Beast and then the tag line of suck....Then they make new age sequels for old movies with perfect endings..
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Disney rehashing old disney movies every year and titling it with "This is the last time this movie will be seen and then we are locking it away in the Disney vault!!"

Every year a new remastered Beauty and The Beast and then the tag line of suck....Then they make new age sequels for old movies with perfect endings..

Ahh I totally agree! Disney is getting so annoying, they can't stop relying on their old movies, it's been years since they've actually made anything new. And that "Enchanted" movie? I wouldn't watch that if you paid me.
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I liked Enchanted...

Anyway, here's one I hate.

-Character's birthday-
Hooray! it's my birthday!
-Everyone ignores him/her-
*emo* All my best friends and family have forgotten my birthday! *emo*
*SURPRISE PARTY*
Aw, you really did remember!! :D

I want to kill it with a spork.
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Last time I checked there was little to no racial diversity in romantic movies, romance movies are always between a white guy and a white girl.

However, I remember seeing a live action Cinderella movie where the prince was Asian and Cinderella was African American, it was pretty cute, but since I happen to be mixed raced myself, I find mixed raced couples adorable. ROMANCE MOVIES, Y U NO DO THIS?
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For me, what really ruins a scene is a Big "NO!"
Okay, sometimes, it can be done right. But the actors/actresses usually say it in a way that makes it impossible to not laugh at.

And horror films in general. You see one, you've seen them all, know exactly where the killer is hiding, when the scared minor character screams, the list goes on.
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And horror films in general. You see one, you've seen them all, know exactly where the killer is hiding, when the scared minor character screams, the list goes on.


This is why I am not a fan of the horror genre. Most horror movies I've seen are about stupid arrogant people causing their own demise.
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Enter The Jaws Theme wrote:
WHY MUST GOOD ALWAYS WIN???

There needs to be a movie where bad rips good a new asshole. That would make me sadistically satisfied.


FF XIII-2
Okay it's a game and not a movie, but it sure has a great ending - at least in my opinion. We end up with an unfixable situation. If they manage to fix it in XIII-3: Lightning Returns, I will be so disappointed....

Idiotic cliches in movies

* Sex-Scenes - plain and simple, they generally have no point or any good reason to have sex scenes in a movie unless it's somehow vital to the storyline or influences the plot in a really big way. Seriously, I don't watch movies to see people have sex - if I want to see that, I look up hentai and not "normal" movies.

* The Misunderstandings - any romance flick will have this Misunderstanding. A and B are a couple, friend C listens to a conversation between A (or B) with D and misinterpret something and tell B (or A) about it. A and B will have a fight and "break up" because they think the other did wrong. It's a simple case of Lack of Communications which wouldn't happen if couples would fucking talk to each other openly!
I also count this for other things, like a character lying and saying, "I totally slept/made out with your lover" and the other believes it...

* The Bitch Being A Poor Girl - there's always this bitchy character that has no other purpose in her everyday life than to be mean to the main heroine, torture or humiliate her in any way. And then, when all other good friends of the heroine have abandoned her, she goes to the bitch that made her life living hell... and it turns out the bitch is only such a bitch because of the following reasons...
A) Mommy and/or Daddy work too much so she's so lonely
B) She got hurt by somebody and decides to hurt others so she won't hurt anymore
C) Abusive relationship, whether emotionally or physically
D) Parents expect too much of her and she decides to hurt others because she can't fulfill the expectations
E) All of the above

* Childhoodfriend Confessions - I hate childhoodfriends. And I especially hate it when they become lovers. And I hate it even more if they say that they "loved them since childhood". Goddammit, if you're 6 years old, you have no idea of the concept of Love so how can you know that?

* The Lie Revealed - typically, if there is a character in the story who lied about something - what he did, who he is, etc - it's always revealed. And the people in the movies just harp on about it, "How could you?" and "Why made you think you could get away with it?" and stuff like that. They just harp on and on and on about it and nobody believes him anymore... Just stop it. He lied, big whoop. End of story. They don't need to make this such a big drama.

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I almost forgot, and this doesn't just apply to movies.

I am really tired of the all cheerleaders are evil/slutty/whores/etc. stereotype, because in real life, that stereotype isn't completely true. Sure I ran into my share of real life "evil" cheerleaders, but at the same time, I use to have a friend who is a cheerleader, she was very nice and thoughtful, and another cheerleader once helped me when some seniors pranked me.
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Anything involving eggs in science fiction-genre films. Anything.

I have many pet peeves revolving around oviparity, but the top two: the "walking into a room full of eggs, which promptly hatch in the presence of the protagonists" cliche, which makes me want to take a chainsaw to the film director, and egg-laying sapient alien races, which are complete bullshit. An egg cannot possibly hold enough energy to supply the brain development of a creature with human-level intelligence or greater. Not even close. An ostrich egg contains 2000 calories, yet human fetuses use roughly 100,000 calories in-utero (pregnant women need an extra 300-500 calories a day, for ~30 days a month, for 9 months. Do the math), and are STILL born in a practically fetal state because almost all of that energy goes to the brain. This is well outside of any reasonable margin of "well, maybe the yolk is denser, or bigger". Viviparity is required for high intelligence. Whatever happened to the "science" in "science fiction"?
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Anything involving eggs in science fiction-genre films. Anything.

I have many pet peeves revolving around oviparity, but the top two: the "walking into a room full of eggs, which promptly hatch in the presence of the protagonists" cliche, which makes me want to take a chainsaw to the film director, and egg-laying sapient alien races, which are complete bullshit. An egg cannot possibly hold enough energy to supply the brain development of a creature with human-level intelligence or greater. Not even close. An ostrich egg contains 2000 calories, yet human fetuses use roughly 100,000 calories in-utero (pregnant women need an extra 300-500 calories a day, for ~30 days a month, for 9 months. Do the math), and are STILL born in a practically fetal state because almost all of that energy goes to the brain. This is well outside of any reasonable margin of "well, maybe the yolk is denser, or bigger". Viviparity is required for high intelligence. Whatever happened to the "science" in "science fiction"?


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Anything involving eggs in science fiction-genre films. Anything.

I have many pet peeves revolving around oviparity, but the top two: the "walking into a room full of eggs, which promptly hatch in the presence of the protagonists" cliche, which makes me want to take a chainsaw to the film director, and egg-laying sapient alien races, which are complete bullshit. An egg cannot possibly hold enough energy to supply the brain development of a creature with human-level intelligence or greater. Not even close. An ostrich egg contains 2000 calories, yet human fetuses use roughly 100,000 calories in-utero (pregnant women need an extra 300-500 calories a day, for ~30 days a month, for 9 months. Do the math), and are STILL born in a practically fetal state because almost all of that energy goes to the brain. This is well outside of any reasonable margin of "well, maybe the yolk is denser, or bigger". Viviparity is required for high intelligence. Whatever happened to the "science" in "science fiction"?


This...makes me wonder if you're too smart to enjoy action films. :lana:
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Anything involving eggs in science fiction-genre films. Anything.

I have many pet peeves revolving around oviparity, but the top two: the "walking into a room full of eggs, which promptly hatch in the presence of the protagonists" cliche, which makes me want to take a chainsaw to the film director, and egg-laying sapient alien races, which are complete bullshit. An egg cannot possibly hold enough energy to supply the brain development of a creature with human-level intelligence or greater. Not even close. An ostrich egg contains 2000 calories, yet human fetuses use roughly 100,000 calories in-utero (pregnant women need an extra 300-500 calories a day, for ~30 days a month, for 9 months. Do the math), and are STILL born in a practically fetal state because almost all of that energy goes to the brain. This is well outside of any reasonable margin of "well, maybe the yolk is denser, or bigger". Viviparity is required for high intelligence. Whatever happened to the "science" in "science fiction"?


This...makes me wonder if you're too smart to enjoy action films. :lana:


I don't think her argument flies, I think it's thrown the second she brings aliens into it. We don't know anything in detail about their biology, who's to say Alien eggs don't have some biochemical power source, who's to say they operate using the exact same periodic table we do and don't have SPACE CHEMICALS which have a massive calorie content.

For my most hated Cliche.

Gentle guy with acoustic guitar as the love interest, it's just too Gary Sue.
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Gentle guy with acoustic guitar as the love interest, it's just too Gary Sue.


The type of guy a lot of girls wish to meet in real life but seems non-existant. v_v;
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Well...I actually like...the cliches...a lot...yeeeeaah...
Buuuuuuut there are some I think are WAY OVERUSED and...just don't work anymore.

...like one of the main characters falls off a cliff to his "death" or "dies" in some other way for half of the movie to magically and totally unexpectedly come back again later.
It's just....it's just that these days I'm more surprised when a character ACTUALLY STAYS DEAD...You know; when things stay realistic.
Oh noes; Optimus Prime died...I guess there's no hope le- *optimus plays Jesus's* WHAAAAAT?! OMG SO AWESOME!!!11!!!...yeeeeah...

Other thing I hate...well...not hate; more like...I'm tired of seeing...are...characters that have hard time doing the right thing.
You know....Those characters in the main group that leave the party at some point, then we see a scene where he/she has a change of heart and comes back to help in the critical moment.
Oh geeeeeeeeee...Didn't see that one coming.

One more thing I'm tired of seeing is...general A-holes and bi***y bi*** characters.
Yes; I get it, there needs to be those too, but at least do something to make them more original...
Far too many are just...like...from the basic of these. I like stories because of characters, so...it's tiresome to see the same whiner character over and over again. Okay; granted I like to see the same characters again.
Face it; the main gang in Avatar and Naruto and others...what's the difference? It's just that the chemistries work.
...With these a-holes and whiners...they don't...or it's really rare.
Speaking of Avatar, Azula is one of these a-hole whiners I actually like. Sure, most of the series she was like just the big miss bady baddy, but the mental thing in S3 was actually...kinda made her interesting.
...Shame they didn't show it until the end of S3, since it would have helped IMO.
......yyyyyeeeeeaaaaahhhh....

About the rain in sad scenes...Yes it's over used, but I still love it. It works.
And I don't really have any problems with the movie being a dream either.
...Lie I said; it's because I still like cliches and I've grown to expect them.
...It's just that they need to work and not feel totally random.
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Well the Cliff Deaths are perfect for bringing a character back because, generally, you don't see the dead body and seeing is believing for human beings in general. So with no bloody corpse around, they can just say they managed to hold onto something or fell onto an outcrop and survived. Hence why I don't believe Cliff Deaths. Strangling, gunshots or stabbing wounds, those are more likely to be 'permanent'.

The Backstabbing (Best) Friend
Whether it's in a movie or a TV Series, the longer it runs, the more likely it seems that we will end up with the, generally best, friend of the heroine backstabbing her. Doing something terrible and revealing that they hate the heroine. And have hated her for a very long time, if not from the very beginning of their meeting.
Why is this added?
I am already very confused if people stay close to others that they absolutely despise. If you hate them, why hang out with them and use up your time and precious energy pretending to be nice and good? It's not a very dramatic thing... at least not to me, since I wouldn't give two shits if somebody told me they hated me.

The Kid from the Future
Yeah, Sailor Moon did it and Dragonball and other movies and series had it happen. At some point, time travel will be possible or will occur and the hero and heroine's child from the future will arrive. First, nobody knows who the kid is and then, when we find out, first reaction: :bellboy:
This of course means that the two whose kid it is are absolutely destined to be together. They will have kids and get married, hopefully in that order...! And now that they know they'll have this kid, they'll stick together even more.
I would like to see an occurence where the kid arrives, we find out the parents.... and despite this walking 'evidence' they break up and the kid ceases to exist. That'd be cool. That'd be a great message, like, "the future isn't set in stone".

Time Travel in General
Time Travel is a dream everybody has at some point, but it's actually a very complicated matter!
Whenever somebody goes into the future or past, they do something and it has barely any consequences in their original time. You stopped an evil in the future? The past is just fine. You went to the past and saved your parent from dying? Hey, your life is absolutely perfect in the 'new' future and nothing bad has come from it.
Nobody seems to think of possible consequences - and I am not talking about the hilarious, "Smash a mosquito and you have doomed the future" stuff. If the heroine goes to the future and sees how things worked out.... who's to say she will do the exact same steps that led to that future? Perhaps she saw the future and decides to do something else.

Real life example, if somebody says they'd go back in time to kill Hitler before he ever got power... guess what, you most likely caused an entire generation of people to cease to exist!

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Well the Cliff Deaths are perfect for bringing a character back because, generally, you don't see the dead body and seeing is believing for human beings in general. So with no bloody corpse around, they can just say they managed to hold onto something or fell onto an outcrop and survived. Hence why I don't believe Cliff Deaths. Strangling, gunshots or stabbing wounds, those are more likely to be 'permanent'.

The Backstabbing (Best) Friend
Whether it's in a movie or a TV Series, the longer it runs, the more likely it seems that we will end up with the, generally best, friend of the heroine backstabbing her. Doing something terrible and revealing that they hate the heroine. And have hated her for a very long time, if not from the very beginning of their meeting.
Why is this added?
I am already very confused if people stay close to others that they absolutely despise. If you hate them, why hang out with them and use up your time and precious energy pretending to be nice and good? It's not a very dramatic thing... at least not to me, since I wouldn't give two shits if somebody told me they hated me.

The Kid from the Future
Yeah, Sailor Moon did it and Dragonball and other movies and series had it happen. At some point, time travel will be possible or will occur and the hero and heroine's child from the future will arrive. First, nobody knows who the kid is and then, when we find out, first reaction: :bellboy:
This of course means that the two whose kid it is are absolutely destined to be together. They will have kids and get married, hopefully in that order...! And now that they know they'll have this kid, they'll stick together even more.
I would like to see an occurence where the kid arrives, we find out the parents.... and despite this walking 'evidence' they break up and the kid ceases to exist. That'd be cool. That'd be a great message, like, "the future isn't set in stone".

Time Travel in General
Time Travel is a dream everybody has at some point, but it's actually a very complicated matter!
Whenever somebody goes into the future or past, they do something and it has barely any consequences in their original time. You stopped an evil in the future? The past is just fine. You went to the past and saved your parent from dying? Hey, your life is absolutely perfect in the 'new' future and nothing bad has come from it.
Nobody seems to think of possible consequences - and I am not talking about the hilarious, "Smash a mosquito and you have doomed the future" stuff. If the heroine goes to the future and sees how things worked out.... who's to say she will do the exact same steps that led to that future? Perhaps she saw the future and decides to do something else.

Real life example, if somebody says they'd go back in time to kill Hitler before he ever got power... guess what, you most likely caused an entire generation of people to cease to exist!

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I think Hitler had the Autobahn built in Germany too and regained a lot of land that 'was' Germany's before going into all out war. I think it's argued a lot of the other countries (cept France) felt they'd been too hard on Germany post WWI and felt they were entitled to taking a little land back hence why they turned a blind eye at first.

Though the problem with your Kid from the Future subvertion is that it's awfully cruel. I imagine the characters aren't heartless enough to doom this character who has some deep personal connection to them. Like Trunks in Dragonball Z for example: Vegeta probably could let it slide but the second Trunks has a spasm of non-existance pain I can't see Bulma being heartless enough to just let him fade away and would probably argue they should at least "give it a go" and thus Trunks is back on the path to existing.

The characters involved would have to watch the slow/instantaneous disappearence of the time traveller though it may be depicted painfully or simply disappearing plus the time traveller would probably plead with the characters once he caught wind of the plan. Plus let's not forget moreoften than not the time traveller comes back to give some helpful advice to people possibly avoiding a death or other severe incident and so the characters feel indebted to the traveller. Let's also consider the scenario that if the traveller DID save the lives of the parents in someway or another then the parents may need to get together in order to eventually create the traveller so the future where he goes back to warn them is still possible thus closing the time loop. If the parent's are aware of this then there's a chance they may do it anyway and see it as a guarantee on their own lives.

It's all very dependent on what the rules of time travel are for the setting but they are pretty rigid rules, and if the characters don't create the traveller they may very well see it as dooming themselves so it is more something they have to do, whether the relationship turns out happy or not is unknown.

How about a compromise where they have the child but lets say via IVF or something so they don't need to be together in any way. Would that please you in fiction?
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I know my ideas and fantasies are cruel.
Well okay, how about this?
The Kid appears and does the thing needed to be done - warn them of impending threat, come back to get something that doesn't exist in their time, etc - and then one of the parents does something or says something that results in the kid not being born. And it's completely by accident - perhaps there was a night she was supposed to spend with the guy, but she didn't go because of some trivial reason.

That isn't to say that it would be impossible for the kid to still be born. Maybe going over to spend the night still ends with her getting pregnant with said child, but with slightly different circumstances, resulting in a parallel 'dimension' version of them?

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I know my ideas and fantasies are cruel.
Well okay, how about this?
The Kid appears and does the thing needed to be done - warn them of impending threat, come back to get something that doesn't exist in their time, etc - and then one of the parents does something or says something that results in the kid not being born. And it's completely by accident - perhaps there was a night she was supposed to spend with the guy, but she didn't go because of some trivial reason.

That isn't to say that it would be impossible for the kid to still be born. Maybe going over to spend the night still ends with her getting pregnant with said child, but with slightly different circumstances, resulting in a parallel 'dimension' version of them?

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Again depends on how strict the rules are, whether situations need to be more or less exact "Ala back-to-the-future" or whether it only matters that the person exists. Though I imagine in some circumstances curiosity would get the better of one of the parents and they'd ask for information about when they got together.
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How about if movies stop putting good and evil labels on characters since in reality, good and bad are just labels.

If protagonists and antagonists were more realistic and human......I would actually like more antagonists.

I usually prefer protagonists over antagonists, antagonists don't catch my attention. The worst case would have to be the three evil witches from Winx Club. (Yes, I like this show.) The three of them are the worst antagonists ever, they're just evil for the sake of being evil and never get a backstory since Winx Club seems to focus more on shiny stuff rather than character development and plot. (Hey, I said I liked the show, I never said it was flawless. In fact when I became a teenager I started to notice that there were so many flaws that I could make a list.)
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How about if movies stop putting good and evil labels on characters since in reality, good and bad are just labels.

If protagonists and antagonists were more realistic and human......I would actually like more antagonists.

(Hey, I said I liked the show, I never said it was flawless. In fact when I became a teenager I started to notice that there were so many flaws that I could make a list.)


I guess that's a reason why Magic Knight Rayearth was kind of cool - because, basically, there was no real Evil or Good. It all varied on perspective of the person, what the other was doing and how it seemed to them.

I don't get why people always think that, just because you like something, they automatically assume you believe the thing to be flawless. No, it just means you like it despite flaws.

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How about if movies stop putting good and evil labels on characters since in reality, good and bad are just labels.

If protagonists and antagonists were more realistic and human......I would actually like more antagonists.

(Hey, I said I liked the show, I never said it was flawless. In fact when I became a teenager I started to notice that there were so many flaws that I could make a list.)


I guess that's a reason why Magic Knight Rayearth was kind of cool - because, basically, there was no real Evil or Good. It all varied on perspective of the person, what the other was doing and how it seemed to them.

I don't get why people always think that, just because you like something, they automatically assume you believe the thing to be flawless. No, it just means you like it despite flaws.

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I love Princess Mononoke and other Studio Ghibli films because there are no "good" characters or "evil" characters, all characters are human.

Funny thing is, my favorite things happen to have flaws and I'm not afraid to mention them. xD (Most of the time anyway.)
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How about if movies stop putting good and evil labels on characters since in reality, good and bad are just labels.

If protagonists and antagonists were more realistic and human......I would actually like more antagonists.

(Hey, I said I liked the show, I never said it was flawless. In fact when I became a teenager I started to notice that there were so many flaws that I could make a list.)


I guess that's a reason why Magic Knight Rayearth was kind of cool - because, basically, there was no real Evil or Good. It all varied on perspective of the person, what the other was doing and how it seemed to them.

I don't get why people always think that, just because you like something, they automatically assume you believe the thing to be flawless. No, it just means you like it despite flaws.

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I love Princess Mononoke and other Studio Ghibli films because there are no "good" characters or "evil" characters, all characters are human.

Funny thing is, my favorite things happen to have flaws and I'm not afraid to mention them. xD (Most of the time anyway.)


While I don't think Good and Evil archetypes are something that is going to go away anytime soon. I think there's a trend away from that, it's getting rare to see a purely evil character to the point when there is one it's a thing to be celebrated.

Here's looking at you Kefka
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Not sure if this falls in the category but for me it is movies that has very dark lighting with high contrast. It hurts my eyes and lately I keep seeing this everywhere, usually to make the shot look "cool"...

Also adding weapons and fighting in everything. *Looks at the fairy tales movies and other similar adaptations*
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Not sure if this falls in the category but for me it is movies that has very dark lighting with high contrast. It hurts my eyes and lately I keep seeing this everywhere, usually to make the shot look "cool"...

Also adding weapons and fighting in everything. *Looks at the fairy tales movies and other similar adaptations*


I think adding fighting to everything makes male audiences interested in movies that would be considered only pleasing to females. Like say, Tangled, it was written in a way that guys would also be interested to watch, but still, I wish Disney would stop trying so hard to make their entertainment enjoyable for guys. I know some boys who indeed like disney, and who knows, there are guys who like girl shows and girls who like boy shows.

I should know, me and my ex boyfriend used to talk about when we were both younger, we watched and liked shows that were meant to be liked by the opposite sex, but we both hid it because we both didn't want to be branded as weird. (Oh elementary school, why have you be so painful?)
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soreveil wrote:
Not sure if this falls in the category but for me it is movies that has very dark lighting with high contrast. It hurts my eyes and lately I keep seeing this everywhere, usually to make the shot look "cool"...

Also adding weapons and fighting in everything. *Looks at the fairy tales movies and other similar adaptations*


I think adding fighting to everything makes male audiences interested in movies that would be considered only pleasing to females. Like say, Tangled, it was written in a way that guys would also be interested to watch, but still, I wish Disney would stop trying so hard to make their entertainment enjoyable for guys. I know some boys who indeed like disney, and who knows, there are guys who like girl shows and girls who like boy shows.

I should know, me and my ex boyfriend used to talk about when we were both younger, we watched and liked shows that were meant to be liked by the opposite sex, but we both hid it because we both didn't want to be branded as weird. (Oh elementary school, why have you be so painful?)


Ok granted I don't recall much about the original Rapunzel tale but a lot of these stories originally do have violence. In Rapunzel, the girl is cast out from the tower when the witch discovers she is pregnant with the Princes child. Then when the Prince next comes to visit she pushed him from the tower into a bed of thorns blinding him.

I think Disney balances it's action and that pretty well, besides there's hardly too much fighting in Tangled it's largely just another vessel for comedy and excitement. Besides it means things build to a climax and a sense of danger is a good way to build that.

In the case of Hansel and Gretel, it's not a Disney film and it's just dumb in it's execution. I don't think it's the norm.
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I know some boys who indeed like disney, and who knows, there are guys who like girl shows and girls who like boy shows.


Of course girls watched boys' shows! Like Dragonball!
That show was so cool to watch for girls with all the... um...

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Yeah, that!! :redd:

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*nosebleed* O.O

I watch One Piece for the awesome storyline and character development, but at the same time I end up drooling over Ace, Zoro, Sanji...and a strange part of me is attracted to Luffy ._. *punches myself*

Fun fact: Last night when I called my grandfather he told me that his new favorite movie is Tangled. :3
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In the case of Hansel and Gretel, it's not a Disney film and it's just dumb in it's execution. I don't think it's the norm.


I was particularly thinking of this when I made the other post. There was also other not so great movies like the new Snow White one, Abraham Lincoln and vampires(???) etc... I don't mind action when it makes sense and doesn't look like desperate added clips to try to save the plot from falling down any further.
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In the case of Hansel and Gretel, it's not a Disney film and it's just dumb in it's execution. I don't think it's the norm.


I was particularly thinking of this when I made the other post. There was also other not so great movies like the new Snow White one, Abraham Lincoln and vampires(???) etc... I don't mind action when it makes sense and doesn't look like desperate added clips to try to save the plot from falling down any further.


What's the new Snow White one?

I actually though the Abraham Lincoln one wasn't so bad, but that's because it's not the kinda film to butcher my childhood, plus Abraham Lincoln has been the source of silly superpowers/rumors before.

Granted I never saw it but I didn't look at it with the same disdain as I looked at Hansel and Gretel.
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