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Okay, I can admit it: I am a Saw fan. And as a Saw fan, I'd like to say that VI is probably one of the best of the franchise. Is that even possible 6 films in!? I don't know, but I squirmed, I cheered, and said "OH SHIT" out loud no less than three times. I know after IV and V a lot of people were skeptical about Hoffman's new role in the series, but after VI I think he's proven he's a badass.

Of course if you haven't watched all 5 before watching VI you'll be totally in the dark and won't understand any of the very enlightening flashbacks! But you will get to see people slaughtered in increasingly messy and gooey ways! There's even a Gant moment.

Spoiler: Saw VI and 1-5
Ok for anyone who's seen the movie, did anyone else think of Gant when Hoffman went freaking nuts on the FBI and then waltzed out of the crime lab, covered in blood, and no one noticed? And then he went back and set the whole place on fire, and still no one noticed!? I loled.


Anyone else see it!? I know we're not talking milestone of modern cinema here, but I thought it was a lot of fun.
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I love the Saw films.

I won't get to see this one till it's out on DVD though .__. So I'm going to be spoiling myself to death.

I'm hoping for tons more gore <3
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I don't know, but I squirmed, I cheered, and said "OH SHIT" out loud no less than three times. I know after IV and V a lot of people were skeptical about Hoffman's new role in the series, but after VI I think he's proven he's a badass.


I agree, the 6th installment really fucking delivered in terms of Hoffman's characterisation. Costas Mandylor really pulled out all the stops in his performance this time around. I was also pleased to see a Saw III-style twist of having an assumption through the film that is totally proven wrong by the ending, which had me on the edge of my seat for the entire last ten minutes of the film (according to my friend, I looked as if I'd fallen in love XD). I'm sad to see that Kevin Greutert isn't going to be directing the prospective 7th installment. :(

My three favourite twists were in order:

Spoiler: Major Saw VI spoilers, obviously
3. Perez surviving Billy exploding in her face, wtf.
2. Pamela being William's sister, and the woman and son being related to a guy who Will denied insurance earlier on instead of him. And his totally disgusting death. XD
1. Hoffman getting put in the reverse bear trap AND surviving.


Oh and PIRAHNA is easily the best Jigsaw line ever.

The only thing I didn't really like in this film was the pit fall trap where William had to choose whether to save his secretary or his file clerk. It just didn't feel very Saw, more like something out of Final Destination. But the rest of the traps, especially the carousel, were very tense and well done. I found myself holding my breath during the oxygen crusher trap, lol.
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I found myself holding my breath during the oxygen crusher trap, lol.


Me too! I felt pretty silly for it afterwards but I couldn't help it! The traps were much better done than the ones in V, I thought. I've seen a lot of people complain about the opening trap for being a Se7en ripoff, but I thought of it as more of an homage, considering that movie did a lot to inspire Saw in the first place.

Best parts for me:

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Hoffman stabbing the crap out of Perez. Even one or two stabs would have been enough but he really let her have it! We've seen Jigsaw create some horrific traps for people, but seeing Hoffman snap and attack her and Erikson so brutally was a shock. The whole scene leading up to it was so tense ("You must feel helpless...!!") it made the attack that much more powerful.

The fucking bear trap. I thought I was gonna fall out of my chair! Not just the reveal but how he got out was one whole HOLY SHIT moment. I know a lot of people were rooting for him to die (and apparently they filmed such an ending--damn better be on the DVD) but the way he saved himself was so startling I'm thrilled they went with it as the canon ending. Plus it means he'll be back for VII, fantastic.


The rumor right now is that VII is going to be 3D. Ugh, I really hope they change their minds about that.
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The rumor right now is that VII is going to be 3D. Ugh, I really hope they change their minds about that.


Well, Tobin Bell himself isn't fond of the idea, so it goes to show that if the star of the franchise doesn't want the franchise in 3D, it's a fucking bad idea. It's also an extremely unpopular idea within the Saw fandom, but who listens to fans when there's money to be had.

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Jill fucking nailed that Game Over though.


I agree with you in terms of the traps being better than the ones in V. The Bathtub was the most retarded test out of the entire series (although the Saw Box was fucking epic). They were all really tense, especially the Carousel. Steam Room was really well done too, it's probably the most visually impressive of all the traps in the series so far.
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The dumb part is that the only people watching Saw movies anymore ARE the hardcore fans. One look at the box office this weekend will tell you that. There IS no money to be had if you go against the fans now.
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The Sandwich wrote:
I found myself holding my breath during the oxygen crusher trap, lol.

Intriuging title. Tell us more (preferably in a spoiler box, don't wanna see it yet).

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The rumor right now is that VII is going to be 3D. Ugh, I really hope they change their minds about that.

TBH methinks they should give it a rest. Essentially, it's just a bunch of people dying (spectacularly I may add :-P). As for a Gant moment? :gant-clap2:

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The dumb part is that the only people watching Saw movies anymore ARE the hardcore fans. One look at the box office this weekend will tell you that. There IS no money to be had if you go against the fans now.


Most people blame in on Hackl for his work on Saw V but I think the direction in Saw V was actually pretty sweet. It was just the 5 Become 1 traps left something to be desired. >_> The Strahm/Hoffman storyline was the highlight of the movie. And even some of the hardcore fans were turned off the series by Saw V.

I think it's silly to just stop bothering watching a series when you're so far in, personally. I won't stop watching Saw films until the conclusion. The only problem is when that end is. XD But I care not, it's more Saw. If Saw VI is any indication, the series can only get better. Saw's a series that's so far in that's it's discouraging for a casual moviegoer. I mean, imagine being a newbie going to the cinema. You're hardly going to pick Saw VI over everything else.

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TBH methinks they should give it a rest. Essentially, it's just a bunch of people dying


You can say that about every horror flick ever, or any movie where people die. Yeah, the stars of Saw are the traps and the gore, but Saw is one of the few engaging horror franchises out there, and pretty much the only one with a decent story. I watch Saw mostly to have my mind blown by mostly excellent plot twists, with the traps being side bonuses.

It's been written to go at least to VIII. And if they're still able to draw me in, film after film, after so many years, I believe they deserve kudos instead of chagrin. Least on my part.

Spoiler: Oxygen Crusher description
Two men are chained up by the limbs to two metal bars, which are connected to vices placed at either side of their chests. They're wearing oxygen masks, which are connected to a breathing apparatus, which are connected to the the vices. Every time they take a breath, the apparatus causes the vices to compact closer and closer to their chests until their chest cracks. Whoever survives goes free. It's kind of survival of the fittest, as it were. Like the Mausoleum trap in Saw IV.

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Croik wrote:
The dumb part is that the only people watching Saw movies anymore ARE the hardcore fans. One look at the box office this weekend will tell you that. There IS no money to be had if you go against the fans now.

No offense, but that's because the rest of the world thinks the movies are kind of terrible.
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You can say that about every horror flick ever, or any movie where people die. Yeah, the stars of Saw are the traps and the gore, but Saw is one of the few engaging horror franchises out there, and pretty much the only one with a decent story.

I would advise you to watch a LOT more movies.
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I'm a whore for 'Saw', even though the Jigsaw puppet scares the fucking fuck out of me, and I've only seen the first one, and the rest I've seen in bits and pieces.

*is not very good at being a 'Saw' whore*

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I haven't seen it yet. Is it OK to ask if it's good?
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You can say that about every horror flick ever, or any movie where people die. Yeah, the stars of Saw are the traps and the gore, but Saw is one of the few engaging horror franchises out there, and pretty much the only one with a decent story.

I would advise you to watch a LOT more movies.


I'm referring to horror franchises, not the movie industry as a whole. Learn to read.

If you're referring to me talking about films where people die, I'm just saying that films shouldn't be generalised for body count.

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I haven't seen it yet. Is it OK to ask if it's good?


My opinion is going to be subjective, but I felt it's probably second best in the franchise so far. It's been the most critically acclaimed of the series since the first one (although I doubt 43% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes is hardly anything to brag about, but it's a milestone.)
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You can say that about every horror flick ever, or any movie where people die. Yeah, the stars of Saw are the traps and the gore, but Saw is one of the few engaging horror franchises out there, and pretty much the only one with a decent story.

I would advise you to watch a LOT more movies.


I'm referring to horror franchises, not the movie industry as a whole. Learn to read.


I meant horror movies, actually. "Essentially a lot of people dying" is NOT a staple of the horror genre.
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Tinker you are missing the point. There are a lot of great horror movies, a few great horror franchises, and then, you know, everything else. Saw is unique in that through 6 movies they have followed one continuous story that is always moving forward. It's not like Freddy where they remake the same premise 6 times with different victims but the same basic plot. If you cut the movies into smaller "episodes" it would be like watching a horror soap opera. Even if you don't like the story, you have to admit it's consistent. This makes it hard for new people to get into the franchise (like any long going series) but for us fans it's very rewarding to watch VI and have an instant connection to the characters on screen, because they've become so familiar over the years.

It is a lot more than just "a lot of people dying." Plenty of movies can give you that. Saw gives you death AND narrative, and that's why it has such a following.

Until Twisted Pictures starts losing money on them they'll keep going, and since the writers of VI are already on board for VII, I'll be at the theatre opening weekend again.
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Spoiler: Oxygen Crusher description
Two men are chained up by the limbs to two metal bars, which are connected to vices placed at either side of their chests. They're wearing oxygen masks, which are connected to a breathing apparatus, which are connected to the the vices. Every time they take a breath, the apparatus causes the vices to compact closer and closer to their chests until their chest cracks. Whoever survives goes free. It's kind of survival of the fittest, as it were. Like the Mausoleum trap in Saw IV.


This sounds amazing :adrian:

Sounds lame but even reading that I was holding my breath, when I see it I'll probably pass out =P
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The Sandwich wrote:
LightningfistCal wrote:
I haven't seen it yet. Is it OK to ask if it's good?


My opinion is going to be subjective, but I felt it's probably second best in the franchise so far. It's been the most critically acclaimed of the series since the first one (although I doubt 43% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes is hardly anything to brag about, but it's a milestone.)


I liked the first three Saw movies, but I felt maybe the quality went down just a notch after the fourth movie, so I'm not really sure about the movie itself. I've been hearing both positive and negative reviews about it, but I'll go see it anyway. Who knows? It might be a lot more awesome. Anyways, thanks for answering!
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Croik wrote:
Tinker you are missing the point. There are a lot of great horror movies, a few great horror franchises, and then, you know, everything else. Saw is unique in that through 6 movies they have followed one continuous story that is always moving forward. It's not like Freddy where they remake the same premise 6 times with different victims but the same basic plot. If you cut the movies into smaller "episodes" it would be like watching a horror soap opera. Even if you don't like the story, you have to admit it's consistent. This makes it hard for new people to get into the franchise (like any long going series) but for us fans it's very rewarding to watch VI and have an instant connection to the characters on screen, because they've become so familiar over the years.

It is a lot more than just "a lot of people dying." Plenty of movies can give you that. Saw gives you death AND narrative, and that's why it has such a following.

Until Twisted Pictures starts losing money on them they'll keep going, and since the writers of VI are already on board for VII, I'll be at the theatre opening weekend again.


I suppose that's true. Because I was really turned off by the franchise, due to what seemed to be a lot of gore and very little substance. You could be right, I hadn't seen previous movies, and I didn't feel attachment or emotion. I thought it was just dumb.
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For anyone curious about the traps, this amazing person put up the major parts of Saw VI, including all the traps, the ending and that amazing scene with Hoffman in the Audio Lab. They're decent quality, better than your average bootleg cam videos.

Major spoilers abound so if you don't want to spoil your experience of Saw VI by picking at it in little pieces or just spoiling the major twists, I'd advise you stay well clear of these. Personally, I'd advise go see it in all its glory in the cinema, but it's on you. 8U

Ta-dah.
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The Sandwich wrote:
You can say that about every horror flick ever, or any movie where people die. Yeah, the stars of Saw are the traps and the gore, but Saw is one of the few engaging horror franchises out there, and pretty much the only one with a decent story. I watch Saw mostly to have my mind blown by mostly excellent plot twists, with the traps being side bonuses.


Indeed. But, its sucess has led to other "horror" movie makers have jumped on the "Horror means everyone dies" bandwagon it's anoyying(sp)...

The opening to Saw II still scares the living crap outta me. :beef:

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Fun fact: Saw VI in French is pronounced "saucisse" i.e. sausage, making it unintentionally hilarious. In fact I was almost certain they would change the title in French to avoid the pun (something like "Saw: Le Sixième") but they didn't, to my great pleasure.
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