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Author: | Doctor Nanjo [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
Hello Gamers! Thanks for playing Black Fable: When the Seagulls Cry! I really enjoyed running it for you guys and hopefully you were able to have fun. Special Thanks goes out to the new players, Mec, Mujo, and Winston Payne for being very cool players and enhancing the game with good characters. Of course, I understand the game got stressful and complex at the end and I appreciate anyone who stayed trough to the end, but I understand if you were unable to. Special thanks also goes out to Ukulady who participated a lot and did her best to enhance the game experience for everyone. I also just wanna blanketly say that everyone with no exceptions, played a cool character and I really appreciate that BF2 was blessed with an incredible cast. Some people played their best characters ever in this game, which is super cool! I really think everyone should be proud about how they did in the RP. As far as the game goes, since I think people will want to play another one of these one day, I do think that witches deserved their good roles, but I also think mortals deserved better roles. I think almost every mortal role should have been useful to find witches, answer questions, or help the mortals reach the endgame. Other than that, I think mortals deserved one extra guess/witches could have had one fewer witch. I think I would mix up the pacing a little more so that less time would be spent on the ending parts of the arcs where nobody is left. I would put more mystery content in the game before/during the first twilights. I would also maybe leave real breaks in the game so that people could recharge more between them. Anyway, it's time for the quicktopics! Spoiler: quicktopics |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:52 pm ] |
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gg |
Author: | Joker [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:56 pm ] |
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gg |
Author: | CaptainPancakes [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
curse you alllllll |
Author: | Winston Payne [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:57 pm ] |
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gg |
Author: | Mec [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:58 pm ] |
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gg |
Author: | KamiPanda [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
Not going to repeat myself here, so I'll just say, despite my criticisms I did enjoy this game a lot! Right up until the second half of the answer arc was a lot of fun, easily one of the best games I've played on this site. The setting definitely went a long way towards making everything cool, and Nanjo being active as a GM really helped keep the whole process smooth. I appreciate that the game didn't even really need much in the way of specially prepared backstory, because everything just sort of falls into place with the setting design. Little things like hearing about Peregrine get to be just that, little things, extra details instead of some big event. It's all just very nice. Thanks for hosting the game, Nanjo. |
Author: | Pierre [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
Yeah thanks for the game! It was a good experience and fun to play with you all! XD Now I can stop frantically refreshing my phone and get some work done! |
Author: | CaptainPancakes [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
gg am I too late |
Author: | Collin1002 [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:28 pm ] |
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gg |
Author: | Kachu [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
Thank you so much Nanjo and everyone else for a fantastic game experience! Black Fable 2 was tons and tons of fun. Though near the very end things got understandably bad, but that doesn't really hurt the rest of the experience for me. It was stressful constantly being on edge as a witch trying to plot and plan things without being too quiet or pushing players to the right answer, but at the same time it was some of the most fun I've had in one of these games. I think others are more suited to gameplay critiques but I do feel like some of them should be posted here so a future GM can come and look over it without having to scroll through Discord or whatever. That being said I don't think I want to type out all the things that people brought up, at least not in this post. Really wanna make sure it's known though that this was incredibly fun even if right at the end it became too much for people (Myself included, though I can't really imagine what it was like playing as a mortal on the final two days.) Thanks for everyone who played! I loved all the characters and the three newcomers were great to have! I hope all of you guys stick around for other games too. Would be super cool. Might have more to add later when I feel like sitting down and bringing up specific things. Oh also gg. |
Author: | Winston Payne [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
This was my first forum game so I don't have anything to compare it to. However, I did enjoy it quite a bit (there were a couple of issues but those have been mentioned in other places) and I'll try to participate in future games. I'd like to use this post to explain things about James that never got revealed. James is actually a financial genius who graduated top of his class at Harvard (earning the nickname 'the next Rockefeller'). However as you already know, he stopped using his talent and wasted his money on gambling and women (creating numerous illegitimate children). At the end (if the the mortals won) , he would have a monologue about how he was sorry and how he would resurrect his father's company all on his own (ripping up his business plan). I could've posted this ending but I felt it would have been quite forced especially since the witches won. My original plan for a witch victory was to have James kill himself but that obviously wasn't possible so I made him just give up. You can see some hints about his backstory in some of my and one of Nanjo's posts. My favourite arc was arc 1 because it had the most RP and it had the subplot about the will which I was planning to reveal in the third twilight once Vincent died. Finally, I'd like to thank Nanjo for organising the game. |
Author: | CaptainPancakes [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
GGs to Nanjo, thanks for hosting! I already aired most of my grievances in the Discord so I guess repeating them here would be a little redundant. I enjoyed RPing with everyone and that was my favorite part of the game. Looking forward to what's next |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
I thought this game was great. RPing-wise, this is my favorite forum game I've participated in and had the best cast. Gameplay-wise, this was also my favorite of the games I've participated in. A lot of the complaints and rebuttals have been done to death on discord. The main summary on my thoughts is that I think the main points that get complained about are valid, but exaggerated. And I understand people disagree, but that's just my opinion. Special shout-out to all my fellow witches for the last month. I also will mention that being a witch was extremely stressful lying all the time. So also wanna say sorry if I was ever like too intense or anything. Speaking personally I didn't really like being a witch (but I did like that Mickey was a witch character-wise). I really think these games should be shorter for this reason, I wouldn't have felt as ugly about it if the game had been like 12 days or a more typical mafia length. It's a completely different feeling from being a killer in like a DRF game or something. James and Twilip were among my favorite characters, which is really awesome since both players are new too. Special thanks to Panda, since Mickey obviously wasn't originally a part of the Bertram character. It's way more fun to RP in this kinda setting if you're a family member imo. Two biggest problems to me: -The ending of the game was kinda bad (after the witches won, not the answer arc as a whole). I understand witches winning is a lame ending. I completely understand that people didn't have the heart to do anything and it would've been a wasted effort for Nanjo to try and "direct" something. I'm just imagining how this game would read, and the ending is just lame for a game where I felt very invested in the story. I want to reiterate that I don't blame anyone, I'm just saying it now in the hope that there's some remedy for a future game. Also if you consider this more of a game than a story, then the ending being bad isn't really a problem so I'm more just projecting my own expectations/disappointment. Even the answer arc taking place in The Golden Land was weird. Nobody seemed to be expecting it, and it seems like it went against a lot of people's plans for character ending possibilities. For example if the answer arc had taken place on earth and ended the same way, I wouldn't mind letting somebody's character kill Mickey as a small moral victory before the big sacrifice. -Mafia shouldn't have clues. It's weird dammit! I don't mind flavor. I'll take more flavor if anything. But it should just be flavor. Leaving a clue as a specific consequence of a power or something is a good idea, but it should be something in the role and not something that happens randomly. Welp ignore all the problem talk. I wanna mainly reiterate the first point. I thought this game was the best. Umineko is great too. Thank you, Nanjo! Thank you, friends! |
Author: | Mec [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:01 pm ] |
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Thank you Nanjo for putting on this game! This is the first of these games I've been a player for so I have nothing to really compare it to, but who knows. Maybe I'll probably try and join another of these in the future. The problems that I did have were already talked about in discord, although I've already said that I'm not too miffed about anything since I'm just glad to have played tbh. Other than that uh. GG witches, arc 1 and 3 were my faves cause I didn't die T1, Maurice being the hide and seek champ was the greatest twist ever, Mickey is probably a heavy main, and this was fun. How'd I even end up here anyway? |
Author: | CaptainPancakes [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
JesusMonroe wrote: Thank you, friends! @lone |
Author: | Collin1002 [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
pancakes no he’ll die Anyway, yeah, it was fun. All of my own grievances would just be reiterating what everyone else has already said, so... yeah. All in all, it was fun, though I do wish I made better use of my role. Too late for that now, though, so... eh. In any case, my favorite part of this was probably the RPing. I honestly thought the game had a really solid cast all throughout, and I didn’t dislike any of the characters. But yeah, all in all, it was fun despite the grievances I had with it. |
Author: | UkuleleLady [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
So, first of all, this was an awesome game. I've said my piece about the role distribution and the ending and whatnot, but the first 90% of Black Fable 2 was amazing. In terms of the roleplaying, this game was set up fantastically. I loved having three arcs so everyone got to spend a decent amount of time alive (Jackie, Robin, and Vincent got the least amount, and they still got roleplay opportunities). I loved the family tree that gave everyone a history with other members of the cast, both to set up a stronger story from the start and to raise the stakes when the killings started. Thanks, Nanjo, seriously. You put a ton of effort into this game, and it shows. You did great. One thing I would have loved was the chance for everyone to have private conversations with other characters. Even if no gameplay talk was allowed, I would have loved to see how some of these characters would have interacted without an audience. But honestly, my only complaint about the RP aspect of BF2 is that I wish there was more of it - and that's a testament to its quality. The cast was also amazing. I liked every single character in this story. And there were a lot of wonderful relationship dynamics across the board. Kudos to each and every one of you guys for playing them so well! I loved the cast so much that I actually wrote up a short thing about each one of them: my general thoughts, one piece of constructive criticism, my favorite dynamic involving that character, and my favorite moment that character was part of. I did not write about Peregrine (because he was only in one post) or Robin (because she's my character and it would feel weird). Spoilered because probably not everyone is interested in reading about them all. Disclaimer: I wrote Robin, I enjoyed writing her, and I’m heavily biased toward her. So expect a lot of my favorite dynamics and/or favorite moments to involve her. Spoiler: Allister Spoiler: Archer Spoiler: Asher Spoiler: Basil Spoiler: Bertram Spoiler: Billy Spoiler: Briggs Spoiler: Gloria Spoiler: Jacqueline Spoiler: James Spoiler: Lucine Spoiler: Maurice Spoiler: Mickey Spoiler: Twilip Spoiler: Vincent Spoiler: Violet Spoiler: Wyn Spoiler: Zachary Overall, I think this was a wonderful creative effort on the part of everyone involved, and I would leap at the chance to do it again. I count myself lucky I got to be a part of it. Cheers! |
Author: | Datamatt [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:17 pm ] |
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I'm on my phone and I'll talk about characters tomorrow. The game was very good storywise but I felt my role was weak and limiting. I had nothing to functionally do and I think a WAM would have been much better with an identifiable killing ability. The role would have been much more engaging for mortals AND the WAM itself. Playing a WAM also mostly prevented me from doing the things I wanted to do, but it's a game and I expected it. I will say the ending left a bitter taste in my mouth. It was very clear most people just gave up after Twilip got guessed. I don't blame them but it also wasn't cool for the ending to just get dropped on the head like that. I had planned a few things and I got to execute none, which made me lowkey salty, but I guess I understand. I also think, like GM, that endings should happen on a 'mortal plane' for heavier effect. |
Author: | DootDootDoot [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
A bit late coming for this but I don't have much to say that hasn't been said. I really did think this game was a fun experience from start to (near) finish. The characters were far better than what I expected and actually kinda make me wish I put some more effort into Lucine. I will say the biggest regret about this game I have is not having been able to play the witch properly after being found out. People called Bertram the main character but goddamn Twilip made a good showing during the answer arcs. When I'm on my deathbed one of the many incoherent regrets I'll tell my children about is not speaking enough red. There was no real way to fix this though, is the worst part speaking the red would just be throwing. (Also completely irrelevant but Mickey Moonview has never helped anyone fake their own death would be valid red and if this were an Umineko chapter I'm sure it'd be a great twist.) This post is getting very rambly which is the opposite of what I wanted to accomplish by waiting so I'm gonna end this with a GG. I still hold that the town had us at several moments and it always made for a fun experience. GG man GG thank you friends God bless America |
Author: | Planetbox [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
So yeah this was a really fun game. Props to Nanjo for putting it all together and to the players for making a bunch of great characters. Everyone’s already said how great the cast is here, and I think that’s probably a result of the cooperative way we designed our characters. It was tons of fun watching the family get ironed out, so I hope future BF games attempt something similar. It would have been fun to be part of an actual family unit instead of an outsider, though I don’t regret my choice since I wasn't really interested in playing some rich dude. Speaking of Billy, I’m glad people seemed to enjoy him. I’ve said this before but he’s probably the most fun character I’ve played in a while. His role was a little crazy, but it did feel like I was getting to do interesting, useful stuff with it. I just wish he could have been executed once instead of stabbed a million times. I think the Arcs went a long way toward making the game’s plot more interesting, though I’m not sure the solution’s perfect yet. I think it was a little annoying how some characters were far more likely to survive than others due to the roles they got. While it makes sense from a gameplay perspective, it meant characters like Bertram, Maurice, and Allister tended to be in the spotlight longer while Robin, Vincent, and me oops were barely in the game. I’m not sure what the solution here really is, but having more equal roles might help. Additionally, I’d like to see a bit more focus on the RPing in future games. I think the scenes before Gloria’s death were lots of fun, so I doubt anyone would complain to that being a bit longer. The additional mystery content and breaks Nanjo mentioned would help with that too. While I won’t get into any of the Discord arguments I do think it’s important that future games have a clear way to confirm alignments especially since executions no longer accomplish that. The game tried to do that with the arc endings but accidentally goofed it up. That felt like more of a hostile trick than a gameplay element, so it should be clear if something mortals will take for granted isn’t conclusive. Also I hate WAM no more WAM please. Anyway that’s pretty much all I had to say. I’d like to emphasize that this is the most fun I’ve had with an RP in a while and as ukulady so eloquently expressed in her post, all of the characters were good. I’d be interested to see what other GMs could add to the Black Fable series. |
Author: | TheLetterF [ Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
GG everyone, sorry I'm late to the party. It was definitely a one of a kind experience, and I ended up having more fun than I thought playing as a Witch. I just wish the pace of the game was a bit more merciful and we had more time to RP. |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:19 pm ] |
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Okay but yeah in all seriousness good game everybody. This was a really enjoyable experience right up till the very end. Everyone's already been over a lot of the complaints but overall this game was super duper fun and it was just intriguing trying to figure out what the heck was going on everywhere. Uh so yeah other than that I don't have too much else to add. The cast was good obviously, my favourites were Briggs, Billy and James. Maurice was like kind of a nerd though, I enjoyed playing him right at the start but I think he lost a bit of his character once the game part started and didn't really regain that till like when he insulted Vincent at the end I feel. Also his talent wasn't super related to his character but there's not much you can do about that. That said I did spend a lot of the game just trying to disprove that I could be a witch but honestly it felt super hard especially since I always ended up surviving to the near end and a lot of my plans basically kept backfiring (shoutouts to the time when I tried to lie about Asher faking his death A2 but then getting called out on it, so I had to make up a weird excuse about me goofing up to keep suspicion away from me which thankfully worked somehow). The main reason I hid my talent was also admittedly so that the witches would think I was more helpful than I was and then target me but in hindsight Wyn would've known I was harmless anyway probably so yeah whoops. Anyway good times, if there's a BF3 I'm definitely all for it because this was a rejuvenating experience, huge thanks to Nanjo for this. |
Author: | Datamatt [ Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
I have terminal ligma. |
Author: | CaptainPancakes [ Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
What's that? |
Author: | Datamatt [ Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
CaptainPancakes wrote: What's that? ligma balls |
Author: | CaptainPancakes [ Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:25 am ] |
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XD |
Author: | Joker [ Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Black Fable 2 is Over, Time to Party! [Post Game Thread] |
GGs aside, I don't have too much to say that I haven't already said on Discord. My biggest complaints have already been addressed by others, such as the pace of the game being too fast and wanting more time to RP. Those aside I did have fun, so I'd like to thank Nanjo for hosting, as well as Kachu for letting me make Allister Archer's son. I'd also like to thank Pancakes too, since we didn't plan anything together I wasn't sure what to expect between Briggs and Allister, but I genuinely loved their relationship and every interaction they had together. |
Author: | Datamatt [ Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:39 pm ] |
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Oh yeah. What I was going to say is that the next BF game should be structured similiar to this but with FTEs. Would be based as fuck for roleplay. |
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