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Maribelle thought for a bit. "Y'all, what if the fishin' spear was used to hunt a big fish, or a ray or something, and the killer used the pillowcase to transport it to the lounge? That'd explain the blood on the beach, and the spear bein wet from washin. Then the killer could use the fish blood to hide something about the crime scene- maybe how one or both victims died? Yuma did say there were two different shades of blood- what if, rather than it being from deaths at two different times, ones human blood and the other is fish blood?"
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Ohishi folded her arms and nodded.

"Assuming you're right,
That would make one thing quite clear.
There's an accomplice.

"One strangled Nova,
The other carried her corpse
Upstairs to the lounge.

"There they murdered Frye
Then shot Nova's dead body,
Hiding her killer."

"I don't see why there has to be an accomplice. Is it impossible for the killer to not strangle and then carry Rina? Do you know something we don't?"

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Maribelle thought for a bit. "Y'all, what if the fishin' spear was used to hunt a big fish, or a ray or something, and the killer used the pillowcase to transport it to the lounge? That'd explain the blood on the beach, and the spear bein wet from washin. Then the killer could use the fish blood to hide something about the crime scene- maybe how one or both victims died? Yuma did say there were two different shades of blood- what if, rather than it being from deaths at two different times, ones human blood and the other is fish blood?"


Raymond then turns to Maribelle and nods. "It seems possible, but how could the blood be transported? Don't get me wrong, it explains the blood on the shore.. But I don't think we found any tool to transport more blood, unless you're saying the dead creature was moved about."
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Raymond then turns to Maribelle and nods. "It seems possible, but how could the blood be transported? Don't get me wrong, it explains the blood on the shore.. But I don't think we found any tool to transport more blood, unless you're saying the dead creature was moved about."


"The whole fish, or whatever, could've been transported to the crime scene, then killed and bled in the lounge- there were some washed utensils in the kitchen, right? Then the fish carcass could've been disposed of in the mysterious pile of food." She replied.
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“Then what about the blood on the beach? Perhaps the fish was killed there and gutted in the lounge?”
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Raymond then turns to Maribelle and nods. "It seems possible, but how could the blood be transported? Don't get me wrong, it explains the blood on the shore.. But I don't think we found any tool to transport more blood, unless you're saying the dead creature was moved about."


"The whole fish, or whatever, could've been transported to the crime scene, then killed and bled in the lounge- there were some washed utensils in the kitchen, right? Then the fish carcass could've been disposed of in the mysterious pile of food." She replied.

"Hmm.. Right, right. Makes sense to me. The initial spear stab would explain the blood washed up on the shore as well. We can also confirm that whatever creature it was is not a shark, but it likely doesn't matter what creature was used, as long as it wasn't one of the insects. This does change a lot, however.. We don't have a reason for Rina's beatings. But I do believe the pillowcase was still burned and caused the ashes, though.."
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"So then, how did our killer fisherman evade you?" Colin asks Ohishi. "Did you not notice the bonfire right outside your RC?"
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Kachu wrote:
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Ohishi folded her arms and nodded.

"Assuming you're right,
That would make one thing quite clear.
There's an accomplice.

"One strangled Nova,
The other carried her corpse
Upstairs to the lounge.

"There they murdered Frye
Then shot Nova's dead body,
Hiding her killer."

"I don't see why there has to be an accomplice. Is it impossible for the killer to not strangle and then carry Rina? Do you know something we don't?"

She clucked her tongue.

"Common sense, perhaps?
There's far too much effort here
For little reward.

"If there's just one killer,
Focus on solving Frye's death!
The rest is pointless!"

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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
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Ohishi folded her arms and nodded.

"Assuming you're right,
That would make one thing quite clear.
There's an accomplice.

"One strangled Nova,
The other carried her corpse
Upstairs to the lounge.

"There they murdered Frye
Then shot Nova's dead body,
Hiding her killer."

"I don't see why there has to be an accomplice. Is it impossible for the killer to not strangle and then carry Rina? Do you know something we don't?"

She clucked her tongue.

"Common sense, perhaps?
There's far too much effort here
For little reward.

"If there's just one killer,
Focus on solving Frye's death!
The rest is pointless!"

"Too much effort? They're trying to get away with murder. I don't think slacking in effort during this is a good idea for the disgusting human behind this crime. Or humans, possibly. Besides, if Rina died first, and there are two killers, we're looking for Rina's killer. This is not pointless."
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"This bitch is hiding something." Colin rubbed his hands together, almost eager.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
She clucked her tongue.

"Common sense, perhaps?
There's far too much effort here
For little reward.

"If there's just one killer,
Focus on solving Frye's death!
The rest is pointless!"


"The person who shot Liza probably shot Rina too," Simon responds, "And they did that to cover up something about her death. Her murder is definitely worth investigating."
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"Liza clearly died to a gunshot. There was no sign of violence on her and neither poison on her. I agree that we must focus on Rina's death more." Yuma said.
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"We've suspected Liza for a while of being responsible for Rina's death, why not look into that more?"
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"The person who shot Liza probably shot Rina too," Simon responds, "And they did that to cover up something about her death. Her murder is definitely worth investigating."


"That may be true..." said Maribelle pensively, "but does that mean both died from the gunshots? I do declare, I'm not rightly sure I buy that. If the culprit wanted to use the fish blood in the crime scene, what would it cover up if both Liza and Rina died from gunshot wounds? But if one or both were already dead when they were shot, the fish blood could've been used to mask that, right?"
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"The person who shot Liza probably shot Rina too," Simon responds, "And they did that to cover up something about her death. Her murder is definitely worth investigating."


"That may be true..." said Maribelle pensively, "but does that mean both died from the gunshots? I do declare, I'm not rightly sure I buy that. If the culprit wanted to use the fish blood in the crime scene, what would it cover up if both Liza and Rina died from gunshot wounds? But if one or both were already dead when they were shot, the fish blood could've been used to mask that, right?"

"Rina was likely dead when she received the shot, and Liza was likely alive when she got hers. The shot being straight on for Rina would be easy to do if she couldn't struggle in any way, and it would explain why she needed to be beaten and likely strangled before being shot. Liza doesn't have any other injuries, so she was likely just shot. The fish blood was likely used for just that, yeah."
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"We're so close. Let's focus, everyone." Colin took a deep breath. "Why exactly was the fish blood used? By who? When?"
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"We're so close. Let's focus, everyone." Colin took a deep breath. "Why exactly was the fish blood used? By who? When?"

"I think we can safely say that the killer was behind this. ..I can't exactly say why, or when, but it doesn't make much sense if Liza or anyone else did it. The person who got the fish blood must've been the one who got the fish, narrowing it down to people who can effectively use the spear.."
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Kachu wrote:
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
She clucked her tongue.

"Common sense, perhaps?
There's far too much effort here
For little reward.

"If there's just one killer,
Focus on solving Frye's death!
The rest is pointless!"

"Too much effort? They're trying to get away with murder. I don't think slacking in effort during this is a good idea for the disgusting human behind this crime. Or humans, possibly. Besides, if Rina died first, and there are two killers, we're looking for Rina's killer. This is not pointless."

Ohishi sighed wearily and rubbed her temple.

"You're truly that daft?
Effort for the killer, fool!
Try using your head!

"Nova was strangled,
Her death was fabricated,
But Frye was just shot?

"What sense does that make?
To confuse us a little?
That's not good enough!"

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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Kachu wrote:
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
She clucked her tongue.

"Common sense, perhaps?
There's far too much effort here
For little reward.

"If there's just one killer,
Focus on solving Frye's death!
The rest is pointless!"

"Too much effort? They're trying to get away with murder. I don't think slacking in effort during this is a good idea for the disgusting human behind this crime. Or humans, possibly. Besides, if Rina died first, and there are two killers, we're looking for Rina's killer. This is not pointless."

Ohishi sighed wearily and rubbed her temple.

"You're truly that daft?
Effort for the killer, fool!
Try using your head!

"Nova was strangled,
Her death was fabricated,
But Frye was just shot?

"What sense does that make?
To confuse us a little?
That's not good enough!"

"Do you think that's not what I meant?!"

He sighs.

"Liza was likely not an intended victim. Perhaps she walked in on the crime, and our killer shot her on sight."
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
"You're truly that daft?
Effort for the killer, fool!
Try using your head!

"Nova was strangled,
Her death was fabricated,
But Frye was just shot?

"What sense does that make?
To confuse us a little?
That's not good enough!"

"Two killers, then? Liz fabricated Rina's death, and then the killer shot her after she already used her one bullet."

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"I think we can safely say that the killer was behind this. ..I can't exactly say why, or when, but it doesn't make much sense if Liza or anyone else did it. The person who got the fish blood must've been the one who got the fish, narrowing it down to people who can effectively use the spear.."

"I still think it could've been Liz, but if we think it's the killer, then it's fair to eliminate me and Cain now, right? Blind people aren't strong fishers."

Colin thought for a moment. "Additionally, perhaps Rina was drowned? Just a theory. Also if we think the pillowcase was used to carry the fish, that means the mark on Rina's neck was from something else. Perhaps we need to reevaluate that."
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"I think we can safely say that the killer was behind this. ..I can't exactly say why, or when, but it doesn't make much sense if Liza or anyone else did it. The person who got the fish blood must've been the one who got the fish, narrowing it down to people who can effectively use the spear.."

"I still think it could've been Liz, but if we think it's the killer, then it's fair to eliminate me and Cain now, right? Blind people aren't strong fishers."

Colin thought for a moment. "Additionally, perhaps Rina was drowned? Just a theory. Also if we think the pillowcase was used to carry the fish, that means the mark on Rina's neck was from something else. Perhaps we need to reevaluate that."

"Yeah, you two seem clean. And drowning, while possible, seems.. wrong."

Raymond rubs the back of his head. "Is that right? Who's to say that she wasn't strangled before the killer went fishing?"
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"Unless the marks on her neck were from someone holding her head underwater, I don't really see how it could be drowning."
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"And how did the killer strangle Rina without her putting up a fight against them...? Maybe it really was the hitman?"
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"And how did the killer strangle Rina without her putting up a fight against them...? Maybe it really was the hitman?"

"Rina was beaten as well, remember? Perhaps.. She was rendered immobile, or She gave in, and accepted her fate.."
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"Is it possible she was unconscious before being strangled?" Asked Veronica.
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"Is it possible she was unconscious before being strangled?" Asked Veronica.


"I'd say so, considering the beating she took." Simon replies.
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"Also, am I the only one who remembers the shitty shota told us the cause of death was 100% shooting for both of them, causing us to discuss other avenues, and only now is he saying that Rina's may have been different?" He turned to Yuma. "You fucked us. I thought you might be different but you're either a killer or a complete imbecile."
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"A possible explanation for how how Cain heard the gunshots when others did not is that the sound carried out the outside Lounge window and into the beach air just fine, but inside the school the sound had to pass through an entire floor to reach anyone." Damien suggested. "Though if that's not the case, certainly it could be considered strange."

"In any case, I agree with the theory that animal blood was used to obfuscate the scene in some manner. However, I want to point out that not all of the animals Monokuma listed have red blood, so that may be something to keep in mind. The insects and crabs jump to mind as not having red blood, while fish, I believe, do have red blood. Of course, as the fish were the most likely suspects for this theory anyway, this doesn't much help us. Unless we can make the argument that Liza or Rina, with their knowledge, were better prepared to use this trick."
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“If we assume one of the victims killed the other, doesn’t that make Meanstalk a likely suspect? He was up at 12 and he would have a motive.” Colin looked serious, now towards Ray. “Plus you don’t seem nearly as...empassioned at finding the killer as you did last trial.”
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“If we assume one of the victims killed the other, doesn’t that make Meanstalk a likely suspect? He was up at 12 and he would have a motive.” Colin looked serious, now towards Ray. “Plus you don’t seem nearly as...empassioned at finding the killer as you did last trial.”

"Tch, is that how this is going to be? This time, we've all been cooperating. No one has turned down my right to strike the killer down with my own hands.. but if you truly intend to try and pin this on me, you best have some good proof."

"I was up just before 12, and then went right back to bed after checking the rooms. If I killed someone, how did I get the other gun, to shoot with?"
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"Perhaps you stole it from whichever victim did the killing? If that was Rina, that would explain why she was beaten up."

Simon shrugs, and continues, "Not that I'm accusing you or anything. There's not really any evidence."
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“If we assume one of the victims killed the other, doesn’t that make Meanstalk a likely suspect? He was up at 12 and he would have a motive.” Colin looked serious, now towards Ray. “Plus you don’t seem nearly as...empassioned at finding the killer as you did last trial.”

"Tch, is that how this is going to be? This time, we've all been cooperating. No one has turned down my right to strike the killer down with my own hands.. but if you truly intend to try and pin this on me, you best have some good proof."

"I was up just before 12, and then went right back to bed after checking the rooms. If I killed someone, how did I get the other gun, to shoot with?"



“Perhaps you just,” Colin pulled out a pair of sunglasses from seemingly nowhere and dramatically put them on, “got lucky.”

He awkwardly removed them. “Or you could be the hitman. Really, I don’t think it’s impossible. In fact, me, Angel, and the mostly useless live-streamer all heard someone coming and going from the cells after 11 PM, which lines up with your hall monitor duties.”
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“Perhaps you just,” Colin pulled out a pair of sunglasses from seemingly nowhere, “got lucky.”

He awkwardly removed that. “Or you could be the hitman. Really, I don’t think it’s impossible. In fact, me, Angel, and the mostly useless live-streamer all heard someone coming and going from the cells after 11 PM, which lines up with your hall monitor duties.”

"Hmph."

Raymond shuts his eyes. "Your suspicion is misplaced. Of course, as a monitor, it would make sense for us to be in the halls.. But not outside. Why not ask the one who would be seen both inside and outside without any issue? The one too good for her cell, where she likely belongs.."

Raymond turns to Simon. "Anyone could've done that. I doubt she was the strongest among us here. Believe me or don't, the fact is that there isn't any way to really prove who left their cell to kill."

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"I don't think it's Raymond." Said Veronica. "I trust him."
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"Hmph."

Raymond shuts his eyes. "Your suspicion is misplaced. Of course, as a monitor, it would make sense for us to be in the halls.. But not outside. Why not ask the one who would be seen both inside and outside without any issue? The one too good for her cell, where she likely belongs.."

Raymond turns to Simon. "Anyone could've done that. I doubt she was the strongest among us here. Believe me or don't, the fact is that there isn't any way to really prove who left their cell to kill."

"But you already admitted to leaving your cells for hall monitor duties. If the killer is someone who left their cells, it has to be you based on what we heard after 11. I'm not saying you're the killer but well, now I have two suspects I feel rather unsure of."

He then turned to Ohishi. "And then we have her. Meanstalk, you mention that the killer could be her because she could move freely but...nobody has mentioned seeing her regardless. Maybe we're thinking of this wrong, and the killer had a way to evade everyone?

"Even so, I agree she could be our killer. She doesn't have as strong a motive as you potentially do with any of your three possible talents, but she is in a suspicious spot for sure." He turned to her. "Really honey, you should stop hanging around blind people. Not only did you have the opportunity to slip past Cain, but if the killer is Cain, he took a big risk burning the pillowcase right near you. You never noticed something where you should've."
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"Hmph."

Raymond shuts his eyes. "Your suspicion is misplaced. Of course, as a monitor, it would make sense for us to be in the halls.. But not outside. Why not ask the one who would be seen both inside and outside without any issue? The one too good for her cell, where she likely belongs.."

Raymond turns to Simon. "Anyone could've done that. I doubt she was the strongest among us here. Believe me or don't, the fact is that there isn't any way to really prove who left their cell to kill."

"But you already admitted to leaving your cells for hall monitor duties. If the killer is someone who left their cells, it has to be you based on what we heard after 11. I'm not saying you're the killer but well, now I have two suspects I feel rather unsure of."

He then turned to Ohishi. "And then we have her. Meanstalk, you mention that the killer could be her because she could move freely but...nobody has mentioned seeing her regardless. Maybe we're thinking of this wrong, and the killer had a way to evade everyone?

"Even so, I agree she could be our killer. She doesn't have as strong a motive as you potentially do with any of your three possible talents, but she is in a suspicious spot for sure." He turned to her. "Really honey, you should stop hanging around blind people. Not only did you have the opportunity to slip past Cain, but if the killer is Cain, he took a big risk burning the pillowcase right near you. You never noticed something where you should've."

Raymond sighs. "The victims. The victims could've seen her. If Rina was out to clean at 11:55, then it would make sense for her to expect to see a Hall Monitor at the time."

"Anyways, we got back to our cells at 11, and I only checked the rooms at 11:55, briefly, to check the rooms.. But Ohishi certainly has some talking to do."
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Ohishi shook her head dismissively.

"Oh my, this again?
I suppose I have no choice.
What will you ask now?

"About the fire?
The one I was asleep for?
Suspicious indeed.

"About Fitzgerald?
Surely I knew he would pass
In the dead of night.

"Or would you ask me
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At 3 in the morn?"

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"I guess I'd ask you...who do you think the killer is, if not you?"
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She blinked twice.

"...How unexpected.
But I won't accuse someone
Without stronger proof.

"If we've found all clues,
One needs closer inspection.
Perhaps a lifeline?"

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Monokuma projects a chart on-screen. It displays where the corpses and blood splatters are.

* Rina and Liza are lying where the class found them.
* Blood is surrounding both corpses.
* Blood around Rina is in a fountain pattern.
* Blood around Liza is mostly in a straight line from her corpse.
* There appears to be bits of blood in other areas of the room, where the collapsed/broken objects are.
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"Alright then.." Raymond speaks up. "I can only imagine the struggle in the room resulted in the beatings Rina has. The blood all around in small amounts supports this I believe. The fountain pattern from Rina leads me to believe that the blood was shooting away somehow.. while perhaps the straight line from Liza suggests dragging somehow?"

Raymond rubs the back of his head before opening his eyes like he remembered something. "Ah! That's right.. The time I checked was all wrong. The four were absent at 12:55, not 11:55. Meaning that they were out much later, but the gap makes it possible for someone to both leave and return in the time I didn't check.."
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