Danganronpa F2: Prisoner's Dilemma- Epilogue : Berry Big Circus

Re: Danganronpa F2: Prisoner's Dilemma- Ch. 2 Class Trial

Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:09 pm

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"So then, does everyone agree on using the logic dive? I don't mind a scrum debate to determine who has the hidden talent, but at this point I don't think the case is getting solved anyway. I'd be fine with doing the dive myself--I'm blind which already makes it near impossible for me to do this murder, but I also have the closest thing to a verified alibi among us."

[We're allowed to do a dive, we can choose a topic but Lone has also agreed to set one for us. You can choose who you want to do the dive if you vote to use it, and you can suggest a topic too if you don't want it to be what Lone chooses]

Raymond nods while facing Colin. "I'll agree with a Logic Dive. Of course, I'd prefer to do this myself... But that's not going to happen, is it? I'm sure Damien could do a good enough job too. But I wont accept anyone else than us three."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:11 pm

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"I do not yet believe we need it, so my vote would be no." Damien said. "I am however willing to concede to the majority, and have no strong feelings against using it."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:13 pm

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"As Colin said, we were in my RC for much of the evening, and when Colin went to bed I went outside. I walked passed Ohishi's RC and laid on the beach. I must have fallen asleep because I was woken later by the faint sound of a gunshot. I heard another shot a few seconds later. Ultimately I felt I must have misheard, but I still went back inside, first to get a glass of water from the cafeteria and then to return to my cell," Cain said.

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:15 pm

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"I did have a concern that we didn't really discuss," Cain said. "Was there any chance that the blood around Rina, in the fountain shape, was caused from blood being thrown on the ground. Since the spear was found in the cafeteria, could it be possible the killer took a fish or other animal to the kitchen, drained the blood into a vessel - perhaps a glass - and carried it to the Lounge to throw upon Rina, so that it would look like the gunshot killed her rather than the strangulation. This would explain the spear being left in the cafeteria after being cleaned. It was taken there with the fish in the pillow, cleaned, and perhaps left behind while attempting to stay hidden from me when I went to get my glass of water."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:17 pm

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"The fountain blood is probably relevant, yes. If we hold on using the lifeline for now, then it's best to get back to the basics--the cause of death. We still haven't determined that, and it seems the weird marks on Rina's neck are the key. It's bruising, not bites."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:19 pm

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"If we believe the different blood shades to be caused by Rina dying early, then death by strangulation seems likely. What else could the marks on her neck mean? And there is no evidence for any other cause of death that I know of. Not to mention the bullet wound seems to suggest she was already dead, or at least immobile, when shot, in addition to already being on the ground due to the blood splatter."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:20 pm

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"If we still don't know... Then I think there must be a way for her to die without being strangled. Might it be.. something internal? Other than poison?"

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:24 pm

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"Wait a minute! The lamps in the room were broken! Monokuma can confirm that the lighting in that room is terrible without the lamps, but we didn't notice because it was daytime." Colin took a deep breath. "If the killer is someone who had to be able to navigate the dark like that...doesn't it have to be you, Cain?"

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:25 pm

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"I think poisons the only murder method that wouldn't leave external injuries," Simon says. "Besides, it was something internal, then what would be the point of all her bruises?"

Turning to Colin, Simon says, "Those lights could have been broken after the murder... but you might have a point..."

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Re: Danganronpa F2: Prisoner's Dilemma- Ch. 2 Class Trial

Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:27 pm

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"There's no reason to break them after the murder. In fact, blood being around the debris indicates that it had to be something that happened while Rina was getting killed.

"...fucking idiot." It was barely a whisper.

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:28 pm

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"Wait a minute! The lamps in the room were broken! Monokuma can confirm that the lighting in that room is terrible without the lamps, but we didn't notice because it was daytime." Colin took a deep breath. "If the killer is someone who had to be able to navigate the dark like that...doesn't it have to be you, Cain?"

Raymond's eyes open wide as he turns to face Cain. "Entering the lounge could be the noise that woke me up. Speak, now."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:38 pm

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"Oh, there's no ceiling light?" Damien asked in surprise. "If you say Monokuma can confirm it, though, I suppose I must believe you, however I would like to hear that confirmation."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:40 pm

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"I don't know what sounds you all heard," Cain said. "The shuffling would have had to be from when I was still outside, otherwise I would have heard it too. By the time I reentered the school, Rina and Liza were dead and the killer was hiding or already back in their room. I never entered the lounge last night - after leaving my RC I never even went back to the second floor."

"I don't, however, think the sound you heard could be anyone entering the lounge," Cain told Raymond. "If you didn't hear the gun shots, then you wouldn't have heard someone entering the Lounge on the second floor from the cells. More likely, you heard me returning to my cell."

"Considering all I've heard so far, the only logical killer is you, Raymond. You claim that when you got up everyone was in bed except Rina, Liza, Ohishi, and me. Since you were thus the only other person up, and you heard me return to my cell - which would have been within minutes of Rina and Liza's death - you should have also heard if anyone else returned to their cells before me. Since you didn't hear a second person, you must be the killer."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:43 pm

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"I don't know what sounds you all heard," Cain said. "The shuffling would have had to be from when I was still outside, otherwise I would have heard it too. By the time I reentered the school, Rina and Liza were dead and the killer was hiding or already back in their room. I never entered the lounge last night - after leaving my RC I never even went back to the second floor."

"I don't, however, think the sound you heard could be anyone entering the lounge," Cain told Raymond. "If you didn't hear the gun shots, then you wouldn't have heard someone entering the Lounge on the second floor from the cells. More likely, you heard me returning to my cell."

"Considering all I've heard so far, the only logical killer is you, Raymond. You claim that when you got up everyone was in bed except Rina, Liza, Ohishi, and me. Since you were thus the only other person up, and you heard me return to my cell - which would have been within minutes of Rina and Liza's death - you should have also heard if anyone else returned to their cells before me. Since you didn't hear a second person, you must be the killer."

"I'm sorry to say, that is wrong. If the noise that awoke me was you, then why did I not see you in your cell? It's not just me that didn't here the gunshots. It's everyone else, is it not?"

He begins to glare at Cain, even if he himself cannot tell he is being glared at. "The sound of the door opening is what awoke me, blind man. If that sound came from you opening your cell door, then pray tell, why were you not in your cell?"

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:45 pm

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"Lights huh? Ok. The lights in the lounge are a bit old and on the dim side. This is why we have lamps to compensate. Even without them, it's bright enough to where you can just about see the snack machine from the other side of the room. And the hallway lights meanwhile are all functional."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:51 pm

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“...he didn’t tell me all that earlier.” Colin sheepishly tugged at his collar.

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:52 pm

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Cain sighed. "I went for a walk on the beach. I fell asleep on the beach. The first gunshot woke me, and when I didn't hear anything after the second shot I returned inside, got a glass of water, and went to my cell."

"I do not trust much of what you say - by your words, only you and I were out in the halls. Either you are mistaken, or you are the killer, as I know I am not. There is another possibility, and this is not one that I wanted to entertain, but it seems more possible as I think about it..."

He paused, but ultimately continued. "Colin, by your words a blind person would have been able to successfully kill Rina and Liza in the dark - considering Liza may have been shot while she was running, you are suggesting then that hearing alone was used to target her. I am not the only blind man here - with our heightened senses you should have heard the shots as well but did not. This could be because you are in fact that killer, something I believe is possible because I think you are the lucky student. It would take a very lucky shot to hit Liza while she's moving, especially if you are blind. That, based on other things you have told me lead me to feel confident in saying you are the lucky student. You may also be able to cover the sound of your movement better because you are sensitive to sound, like me."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:54 pm

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"Ah, so lighting wouldn't have been an issue," Cain said."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:59 pm

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“The lounge isn’t soundproof, it’s just far from the cells.” Colin clarified. “Nobody heard the gunshot indoors. Distance could be the reason but...we’re talking about a gunshot here. And what about the killer? Did they just count on nobody hearing? Doesn’t a suppressor sound likely?”

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:59 pm

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"I am not mistaken. When I checked the cells, you were absent. You either lied to me, or returned to your cell at a later time, and the sound that awoke me came from someone else. No one was by the cells when I was checking them."

Raymond sighs. "You need more evidence than that to point me as the killer. I only kill in the glorious name of justice..!"

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:01 pm

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“Well if Liz did kill Rina, you would be killing for justice...”

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:01 pm

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"Wouldn't we have found the suppressor, then? Unless the Ultimate Hitman is simply exceptionally skilled and would be able to muffle the sound without one," Cain replied.

Cain turned to Raymond next. "I've already told you I don't know what you heard. I didn't hear it, so it must have been before I returned inside, the timing of which I do not know. If I was absent when you checked the cells, then it is because I was still outside. Perhaps you heard the killer return to their cells, which would explain why I didn't hear them moving around - they were already in bed again by the time I came inside."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:06 pm

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Raymond glances over at Colin. "We have nothing to prove that that is the case, Princey."

Then, to Cain. "Yes, that is possible. We do not know how late you have returned. And it is rather likely that Rina and Liza were dead at that time, as Liza has no reason to not be in her cell at that hour.."

"The possibility of a suppressor is low, I believe. But that's besides the point. Don't we need to confirm the cause of death? Is it possible that the marks on Rina's neck are indeed bites?"

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:06 pm

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"Colin, when did you say you went to the kitchen for the bacon, again?" Cain asked.

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:17 pm

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“Right after leaving the Leader RC.” Colin replied. “It was before 11.”

He then turned to Raymond. “No proof? Nobody inside heard the gunshot. It doesn’t have to be a standard suppressor, the killer could’ve improvised one. But still, we should focus on the marks on her neck. It’s bruising, not bites. That has to help us somehow. What if the cause of death isn’t strangulation?”

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:18 pm

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"What reason do we have to believe that strangulation was not the cause of death? It seems likely to me now."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:20 pm

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“If it is strangulation, we don’t have a murder weapon. Best bet is the pillowcase but...the cause of death has to be important. And strangulation tells us nothing.”

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:21 pm

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"Was Rina allergic to anything?" Cain asked. "Could she have eaten something that caused her to choke to death, and the marks on her neck are from her grabbing it?"

"What if the pillow is the suppressor? It could have been placed over Rina and the gun shot through it. Was only the pillowcase taken, or the whole pillow?"

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:23 pm

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"Strangulation tells us that Rina wasn't killed by gunshot." Damien countered. "And indeed, the pillowcase is a likely contender, as otherwise it doesn't appear to fit into the case at all. It couldn't be used to carry anything bloody, as the blood would simply leak out regardless."

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"Was Rina allergic to anything?" Cain asked. "Could she have eaten something that caused her to choke to death, and the marks on her neck are from her grabbing it?"

"What if the pillow is the suppressor? It could have been placed over Rina and the gun shot through it. Was only the pillowcase taken, or the whole pillow?"

"Just the pillowcase, I'm afraid."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:26 pm

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"Rina had no allergies. I've also received 4 votes on the use of a logic dive. 3 more votes now."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:27 pm

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"If the pillowcase was the murder weapon that could explain why it was burned up too." Simon adds.

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:29 pm

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“But why the pillowcase? If it were taken from the storage room, the killer could’ve easily selected rope.”

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:30 pm

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Ohishi tapped her foot as she stared at nothing in particular.

"Both guns were stolen.
That seems unnecessary.
Why not just take one?"

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:33 pm

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"Those are both good questions, which I unfortunately have no answer for." Damien admitted.

"I do want to try following on one point, though. If Rina was shot straight-on while she was on her back, how did the killer achieve this? If the killer stood over her to fire the shot, would they not have gotten blood on them?"

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:36 pm

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“Then that’s what the pillowcase was used for! The killer put it over their gun so any blood splatter would just get on the case!”

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:38 pm

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"Not if she was already dead for a while. Once the blood is congealed, a body won't bleed at all," Cain answered. "Which is why I was asking if there is any merit to the idea that blood was thrown on the ground to simulate Rina's blood. I believe this explains the fountain shape of the puddle and why the spear and pillow case may have been used."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:41 pm

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"What would the full sequence of events be for bringing blood over to the body, though? I don't believe there is any evidence of a container that could be used for that."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:42 pm

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"It doesn't seem terribly likely," Cain agreed, rubbing the back of his head. "But I can't think of another reason for why Rina's 'blood' is in a fountain shape and Liza's is a straight line."

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:43 pm

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"Who searched the cafeteria and found the wet spear?" Cain asked. "Was anything else out that looked like it had been washed?"

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:45 pm

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"Various utensils. Knives, forks, spoons, that sort of thing." Damien replied. "However, I believe the blood patterns to be possibly simply due to the position the victims were in when shot, and the angle they were shot from."