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"Now's as good as ever. Yes from me. That's five votes now."
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"Crimson seemed to agree with its use... so six?"
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"While we're on the point, how much do we want to actually argue about it?" Sakura asked. "If we present points for our views, then that might muddle Monokuma's answer, if some of our points are right even if the scene of the crime isn't. It's like... I vaguely remember that being a thing for experiments in science class? Like, you only want to change one thing, or something. I dunno. Experiments were always the more interesting parts of those classes, so I paid more attention in them, and I'm sure that was a thing."
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"We have to argue as long as Monokuma wants. I think we'll be fine, we just have to try it before making assumptions."
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"I'll agree to this use, something resembling a concrete answer would be nice. It feels like we aren't getting anywhere... On the subject, what's the deal with the painted 'A' again?"
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
"I'll agree to this use, something resembling a concrete answer would be nice. It feels like we aren't getting anywhere... On the subject, what's the deal with the painted 'A' again?"

"Some of us believe it was used as a way to frame Alchie for murder...but we're not quite sure yet..."
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"Or Ryuji. Or even Matchy or Arthur. We can't be sure that the killer knew the whereabouts of the others." Solomon said.
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"Alchie was the recipient of the note, though." Sakura said. "So it seems more likely it was aimed at her."
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"So we're assuming the victim wrote it?" Sayako tapped her cheek. "I guess it's possible... Just one more thing we don't know nearly enough about," she complained.
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"Yes, and Karega didn't know who sent it, only who received it. She most likely thought Jay was the sender."
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(For rebuttal showdown, one post each from either side of the argument is good enough)
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Arthur sighed. "I... hesitate to use this, because we may need it later. Still... I think it's worth the risk. I don't want an innocent person dying because we saved resources we could've spent to save them. I say we use the lifeline."
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"Let's change the argument to 'Where was Karega stabbed? In the gym or in the classroom?'. The wording from before was way too vague, so let's do that instead."
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"Isn't it obvious the stabbing was in the classroom from the blood, though?"
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"Also, since I kind of broke the rules in revealing the motive, I'll be fair to you guys and remove some speculation: the killer was told the ultimate answer."
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Solomon jumped. "What?! You can't be serious! You told BOTH Karega AND the killer?! You're terrible at keeping secrets, you know that?!" He groaned.
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"I told the killer cause I really wanted some excitement to go off in this place, and I was right. Look at how exciting this is!"
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Solomon groans even more. "You know what? Forget it. I'll pretend that show of incompetence never happened, as long as you tell us the killer's name."
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"If your idea of 'the ultimate answer' is 'it's more fun to kill people than be killed', you can keep it," Sayako spat angrily.
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(Question changed slightly on discord)

"Wait, the crime scene is the gym?" Matt asked.

"Obviously." Sakura sighed. "Why else would the killer go through the effort of pouring the paint?"

"That doesn't compute!" Matt yelled.

Rebuttal Showdown: What's the true crime scene? - Matt vs Sakura
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"If the scene of the crime was the gym, then how do you explain Karega's body being in the classroom? Moreover, why didn't we see the killer carrying Karega's body to the clsssroom?"
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"Okay, so, let's think about it like this." Sakura begins. "Why would the killer pour red paint over the body in the classroom? The only reason would be to make it look like Karega was killed there."

"And there are other strange points too. Karega's body was posed, set up. She was stabbed, but there wasn't much sign of any blood as far as I'm aware. And her eyes were crying red tears. It's all very strange and theatrical. So I think the true scene of the crime is the gym! As for how she ended up in the classroom, that's simple. You couldn't see the end of the corridor, so the killer just needed to carry the body. That's what Subaru saw, and that's why the person he saw looked unsteady on their feet."
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"Well well, interesting points from both of you. But I'd have to say Matt's answer holds up more!"
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Sol raises an eyebrow. "I see. So she WAS stabbed in the classroom. Huh. Well...What now?"
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Sakura gawps at Monokuma in surprise. "Really?" She exclaimed. "But the paint... why pour paint over her then?" Sakura retreats back a little as she tries to rethink her understanding of the crime.
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"The paint was likely used to hide evidence on the floor.. You'd have to wipe it off with cold water to see what's under it, which nobody would have thought of."
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"So… whoever was limping wasn't doing it because they were carrying a body. It really was because they got trapped on that stair. But what Sakura said still bothers me. What on earth was the paint hiding?"
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"Hold on. Let's make a bullet point list of all the thingd we know for certain." Matt suggested. "Maybe we'll realise something?"
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"We already have an evidence list, though."
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"Well, going over it and revising it with what you found might not be a bad idea..." Monomi said.
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"Oh, and I know I was the one who first suggested that you talk about it, but... Figuring out exactly why Karega did everything she did might be nice, but, especially if your'e having trouble, it might be better to focus on what actually happened rather than what she expected to happen," Monomi added.
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"I think we should clarify Charlie's account, while we're at it." Sakura said. "Firstly, she was guarding the art room. She could smell the paint from the art room the whole time, which would probably have prevented her from smelling any other paint during that period. Then, when the body discovery announcement was heard, she ran to the classroom. On the way she smelled paint, somewhere outside the crime scene. Then, when she arrived, she smelled paint very strongly due to the red paint all over Karega. However, when she left the classroom again, the smell of paint from outside the classroom was no longer there."

"This makes it sound like something, or someone, with paint on it was outside the crime scene when Charlie and everyone else were rushing there. While distracted, someone moved this paint-smelling-thing elsewhere, maybe back to the art room due to what Jay heard."

[All this information was from JM in the Discord, as Viktoria's not going to be here over the weekend. The important point is that there was never any paint smell on Matt. Also, I'm not going to be active either, on that note.]
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"There's no time to waste," said Flo. "Here's what we know for certain. I'm taking off anything that can't be confirmed by at least two people."

(for the sake of simplicity dm me anything i missed)

* Karega WAS killed in the classroom
* Karega died at about 3 am
* The lights went out at 3 am
- At the same time, Karega just left the gym
- There was also a loud cracking sound heard by Matt and Charlie, the stair breaking
* The fusebox was bashed and beaten
* Dumbbells were found around under where the stair broke
* There was paint on the stair
* The paint can only be washed off with cold water (so not the pool)
* There was a toaster in the basement
* The basement was flooded
* Karega brought a coffee bag, the toaster, and the dumbbells to the basement
* 80 kgs would be needed to break those steps. Karega weighed 50 kgs
* Ryuji wrote a letter to Alchie which asked to meet her at 1:30 am. He didn't sign it and left it under Alchie's door
* The door to the classroom is the only way in and out of it
* If the door was locked, it could only be unlocked from the side it was locked from (unless knocked off its hinges)
* There was an A painted in the classroom
* Jay was found in the kiln after the murder
* Ryuji, Alchie, Cesar, Flo, SiRReN, Van were playing soccer the night of the murder. Van left early, SiRReN left after the power went out, Alchie temporarily left and came back
* Cox, Crimson, and Sayako had dinner together before the night of the murder
* Matt and Charlie were guarding the halls from 2-4 am
* The key to the classroom is missing and is not on any persons or their rooms
* The scene of the crime had red paint splashed all over
* The paint cans were found opened in the art room post-murder
* Subaru and SiRReN met at the cafe at 4 am
* Both the killer and Karega knew the ultimate answer to the ultimate question
* Water shortage

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"That seems like a complete list, except that you didn't mention the shortage of water."
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"The broken stair has 20 kg of weight on them," she added. "So it would have taken 60 kg or more to break that one."
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"Let's think about something, but we need to think about it together, because it's quite literally the key to solving the crime." Matt paused for a few seconds to make sure everyone was following him.

"We know Karega died in the classroom. She was also stabbed there.. That means the limping figure had to be Karega herself. After that, the door was locked. Was it Karega herself that locked the door? We don't know, but that's irrelevant for now. We also know for certain that after that point Subaru heard struggling sounds inside the classroom. But there's one big mystery - how did the killer get inside the classroom without being seen?"
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"I couldn't add the dumbbells on the stairs nor Subaru seeing a limping figure and hearing struggling, sorry. The former is something we theorized, and it's probably true, but not absolute. What Subaru saw, only he saw, no one else can verify it. I'm sorry Subaru."
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Cesar suddenly shouts, as if he had realized something. "Wait! I think there's something that doesn't add up here...that's right. Subaru's testimony..." He slams his hands on the desk, and looks at the evidence list.

"First of all, there is really no one else that can confirm any of what he said before he met SiRRen. So assuming what he said is a lie...for starters, couldn't that explain the locked room? The fact that the door was even locked...Van and the others didn't confirm this before breaking the door down, right? Of course, this also explains the contradiction with the timing for the struggling sounds, or the limping figure..." He turned to Subaru, then to the others. "So, I think that what I said explains at least part of this mess....right? We know someone is lying here, and from experience I can tell it's most likely him." He stopped after saying this, and waited for a response before arguing further.
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