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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:30 pm

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"Well, considering the ribbon in your sister's bag, it seems that she had to have been impersonating you there after all, for whatever reason..." Evelyn murmured. "I suppose this has to mean she could have jumped out of the wheel using the feather potion... Actually, maybe she could have been stabbed somewhere else after she came down, and then somehow transported back into the car by the killer? I'll...admit it doesn't sound that convincing, but if we are to assume that was Hoshiko Rose saw, that might be the most likely answer. Especially considering she had no reason to go back up there on her own."

"...Though, wouldn't that also imply that she stole the black cape from the haunted house? That seems quite strange."

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:31 pm

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"I'm not sure as to how she could've gotten back to the ferris wheel, but there would be a reason. She would have a flawless alibi. And if she was seen at ground level, she had her 'disguise', and any witnesses would have reported seeing Ms. Nana." Althea did her best to not even look towards Nana's general direction while speaking. "Her behavior is actually quite suspicious. Stealing Akrasia, masquerading as her sister... I, I don't want to say this, but she must've been up to something."

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:16 pm

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"Er, well..." Evelyn looked visibly uncomfortable. "Who would she have even wanted to murder like that, though? It...it doesn't quite make sense, especially for her to do."

"Actually, speaking of the haunted house", she said, eager to change the subject. "I believe I might know why the figure there had to escape through the balcony. Since Skylar and Honda were both there, they would need to climb down through the balcony with the rope and hammer to avoid being seen by them by going down the stairs. Though that doesn't explain why they took these in the first place, nor does it explain why they felt the need to shoot the gun and make a hole in the ceiling."

"Honda also said he observed movement somewhere when he was going down the stairs, yes? Could that be because someone else was coming there?", she suggested. "I suppose that could be another person entirely as well. Maybe the person who created the ruckus there was different than the person who stole the cape, and the latter was whom Honda heard."

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:31 pm

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"Stop saying bad stuff about Sis! She'd never try to kill anyone!" Nana insisted angrily. "L-Like, okay, i-if Miss Rose didn't make a mistake or something, then maybe S-Sis did dress up like me for something... B-But that doesn't mean she stole Akrasia! Just because it could have fit in her bag..."

Suddenly her eyes widened. "Oh! Her bag! S-So, like... Miss Rose thought she saw me, right? But if that was Sis... t-then that means she didn't have her bag, right? So then that means she couldn't have stolen Akrasia... r-right?"

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:37 pm

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"Well, not necessarily. She could have just left it at the ferris wheel. Ah, not that I'm implying she definitely did all this! It's, just, a possibility!"

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:04 pm

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"Well...looking at the timeline, this does appear to be complicated. Me and Eli did see Hoshiko pacing about in the car from at least 11:40. If the person Rose saw was her, then it had to be at 11 or so, which works well. But she also saw 'Nana' five minutes after the malfunctioning when she was heading to the control tower... That would imply that Hoshiko has gotten down and come over there from the car in five minutes. Though we did find Nana in the medieval zone, so it could just as likely have been her", Evelyn concluded.

"Maybe we should think about why Hoshiko would have needed to use the control tower in the first place. What would she have to gain from it? I suppose Skylar and Annabella discover a ladder there which lead to a good bird's eye view of the park... Maybe she needed to look over the park for something or another?"

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:20 pm

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"She was probably using it to plan the murder. Maybe she wanted to use the feather potion to float down after she committed the crime and was checking to see where she would land." Annabella suggested.

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:26 pm

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"Maybe we should think about why Hoshiko would have needed to use the control tower in the first place. What would she have to gain from it? I suppose Skylar and Annabella discover a ladder there which lead to a good bird's eye view of the park... Maybe she needed to look over the park for something or another?"

"Seems a little pointless if she already had the map," Eli mumbled, "But if she was lookin' for something...maybe she could have seen the gun being fired from the haunted house? Could work with the whole signal idea..."

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:49 pm

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"Ah, that is true!" Evelyn agreed, nodding thoughtfully. "Maybe she was co-conspirators with whoever was in there. That would be quite useful... Is that how she could have obtained the black cape, then? Through them?"

"Oh, and could the sound of a gunshot in the haunted house even be heard from the control tower? It would need to for the plan to work. Since the Horror Zone was pitch black, I don't know if she could have seen it, per se."

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:52 pm

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"I don't think the gun could have been heard outside of the horror zone," Gawain said. "Even within the horror zone you would have needed to be somewhat close to it."

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:54 pm

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"Well, I was thinkin' she mighta been lookin' for the flash of the gunfire or maybe the window breaking."

"One thing I'm curious about though," Eli added, "Who shut down the power in the funhouse? According to Nicos, the funhouse had power when he was knocked out. We know Hoshiko went in there earlier...but it was too early for her to have turned it off."

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:03 pm

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"Well, from the alibis, it seems to be mostly the same suspects... Rose, Taylor, the twins, Annabella and Kyoya. As you said, Hoshiko entered there too early to have done it. And...I think we can exclude Taylor with reasonable certainty as well. Althie saw him near her when she was resting periodically, and I don't think he would rely on luck to commit a crime either. " Evelyn concluded. "I wonder what they would even have to gain from switching off the funhouse power specifically, though. Did they need it for something in particular?"

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:38 pm

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"I wonder what they would even have to gain from switching off the funhouse power specifically, though. Did they need it for something in particular?"

"Maybe...the jetpack..." Annabella bit her lip. "Kyoya's...jetpack was malfunctioning... And Hoshiko was killed higher up on the Ferris Wheel. Maybe they turned out the power so no one could use the jetpack or anything else to get to them."

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:18 pm

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"I feel like the whole idea of Hoshiko stabbing herself doesn't really line up with the evidence..." Eli said after a long silence. "For one thing, Evelyn made it clear she died of blood loss. But the hilt of the sword should have acted like a plug, right? Would she have really leaked enough blood to die without pulling the sword out, especially in less than forty minutes?"

"And another thing, Akrasia was a katana, a little over arm's length. Could she have actually stabbed herself with it when she would have had her whole arm stretched out just to reach the hilt? It just doesn't seem like it'd work to me..."

"And when it comes to that set-up on the balcony, I imagine someone was trying to trigger all the malfunction' with that machine. Though I'm not entirely sure how. They could have fired that gun through the window to distract Honda and Skylar and then maybe used the rope to climb down...but it don't really make much sense. And wouldn't they have needed some means of findin' their way out after it went pitch black too?"

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:34 pm

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"I believe Hoshiko would have still died regardless of Akrasia remaining inside her," Gawain said. "However, you are right about the sword's length. When you put it like that, it would have been impossible for her to stab herself with it."

"Really? But then, how did she die exactly?" Evelyn wondered. "I do not think her body was moved after she was stabbed, as that would have caused the sword to move inside her and alter the shape of the wound. She also can't have been stabbed by anything else, the wound is straight and simple enough to confirm that. And she was definitely only stabbed once."

"It sounds to me like she was definitely stabbed while in the Ferris car, then..." Gawain concluded. "That brings us to a new topic.

"How did Hoshiko's killer get inside the Ferris car?

"If she didn't commit suicide, and she was definitely stabbed in the car, then the killer must have had a way to reach the car and then leave it again. You all seem pretty clear on how a potential killer could have left the car, at least, so it's just reaching it that's the problem.

"The topic on what happened at the haunted mansion still stands, but I think you've gotten a good grasp on the main parts of it. Someone needed to activate the electronics scrambler, but the entrance to the room it was in was in the foyer where Skylar and Honda were. I imagine a distraction was needed to get them to leave, and leave they did."

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:49 pm

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“Again, I don’t think it was the jetpacks, unless they started to malfunction after Hoshiko was stabbed...” Honda said. “Is my earlier theory still possible about her killer hiding under one of the cars? Or maybe someone hid themselves in another car, then climbed into Hoshiko’s somehow?”

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:56 pm

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"I-I don't know...I mean, Hoshiko had Akrasia, so...how would they plan on killing her if they just, like, ambushed her..?"

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:59 pm

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"Hoshiko was stabbed at some point after 12:10. By then, the Ferris cars had all levitated into a cluster, at an altitude equal to the usual maximum height the cars reach during normal operation," Gawain said. "Both your theories are possible but they need to fit with the general circumstances surrounding the ride."

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:18 pm

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"Well, if all the cars were in a cluster...wouldn't that make it easier to move from one car to another?" Annabella asked. "The killer could just wait in another car until the outage happened, and once they got to the top they could just climb between the cars to get to Hoshiko. Which would also mean the other killer was working with them and turned off the power themselves."

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:32 pm

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"Is it possible that they coulda used the coaster to get up there?" Eli asked, "I'm not totally clear on how that thing worked..."

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:02 am

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"Is it possible that they coulda used the coaster to get up there?" Eli asked, "I'm not totally clear on how that thing worked..."

"Well, the only time a person could safely stand on the coaster would be when it went up a slope. But when it did, I believe it would actually be quite easy, with how much it would slow." Althea elucidated. "Ah, also, with the safety shields out of order, you could climb on when it was close to the ground. And, a portion of the track is right next to the ferris wheel, so I suppose that also checks out!"

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:48 am

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"Well, if you need some explanation on the coaster, Eli, I suppose I could try explaining", Evelyn said. "When it was horizontally aligned- that is, parallel to the ground- the coaster moved rather fast. It sped by like a coyote! But when it reached the slope, then it slowed down to a crawl. It still went up, no doubt about it, but this time more like a snail, just barely inching forward. And when it reached the peak of the slope...it didn't go back down on its own. Normally, I assume the coaster would have been accelerated down there to increase its speed, but this time only nature itself was pushing it down. Sort of like when you let a ball down a sloped surface- only gravity was pushing it down forward in this case. And like Althea said, one could now climb on it easily due to the lack of the safety shields. Hopefully that made some sense to you", she finished a little sheepishly.

"That said, I'm still not sure the mega coaster would have been a sufficient way to get onto the coaster. The only way you could get onto it was when it was on the ground, yes? But it would have been zooming past everything at that point, unless there were somehow any slopes on the ground region. Of course, simple way to get onto it would be at the normal entrance, which from what Althea said was still working fine, I believe. But even with that, I don't see how one could get onto the ferris wheel with that. When you look at the map, the mega coaster is at the ground level near the ferris wheel- not nearly high enough for someone to get into the car. And as I have said, I doubt there are any slopes at the ground level of all things, let alone any high enough to reach where Hoshiko was." She shook her head. "Correct me if I'm wrong somewhere here, but I do not see how it could have been done that way."

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:08 pm

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"Well, it wouldn't be so difficult to climb onto the coaster, even if it went parallel. As soon as the first cart starts going up the slope, the whole thing would slow down! And with the safety shields disabled, there would be no issues with climbing onto the coaster then." Althea explained, in an elucidating manner. "Not to mention that, if you look at the map, the coaster is at ground level close to the ferris wheel, but also begins ascending very soon afterwards! The only question that remains is if it truly reached the height that the ferris cars were at. Otherwise, Mr. Miller's hunch is quite solid!"

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:19 pm

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[A few updates:

If it helps, the coaster is built from three rail types. Powered rails, lifting rails and unpowered rails. Powered rails make the coaster go faster on horizontal sections, pushing it along and adding to the momentum it already has. Lifting rails can't do this as the coaster loses too much momentum on upward slopes, so instead they're responsible solely for pulling it up the slope; even when malfunctioning they can't really work any harder than they already do. And unpowered rails don't do anything, they're for downward slopes where the coaster shoots down the slope unassisted. Lifting rails exist to get the coaster high enough that it can go downhill a bunch and gain momentum that way.

Those details don't really change anything, it might just make it a bit easier to understand / less like it's just following arbitrary rules.

The only Megacoaster sections above the Ferris wheel are the light blue bits.

Regarding the haunted mansion, it consists of two floors. On the bottom floor there's a foyer first thing as you go through the entrance, which is where Honda and Skylar were at first. A door in the foyer leads to the room with the scrambler in it, and stairs in the foyer lead upstairs. (There's other doors in the foyer leading deeper into the mansion but they don't lead anywhere significant.) On the top floor itself there isn't much of significance, other than the balcony outside which is where the window was broken and where the rope is hanging from. Honda would have climbed this if he really did go around the outside and then enter the room with the window in it from the outside.

Lastly I've updated the map with a few details. The arrows show that the Megacoaster goes around clockwise.]

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:50 pm

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Evelyn shook her head. "Looking at the map, it still doesn't seem very likely to me that the coaster was a viable option. The only parts of it which are slopes seem to be at a significant distance from the coaster... Actually, maybe..." Her eyes widened. "The feather potion...could it be enough to simply float all the way to the car from there? It might be possible... If the period of lightness provided by it was long enough for the killer to float in from there, stab her with Akrasia and then float back down, then we might have a case here!" She proclaimed joyfully.

"Though, there's still something odd to me...the blood near the ceremonial armour at the winter zone. It couldn't have been Hoshiko's, so could it have belonged to Kyoya instead? He was stabbed with a medieval sword, I suppose...but the armour didn't seem to have a bloodied sword with him. Curious. Either way, this might indicate that a bit of a kerfuffle took place there."

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:07 pm

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"I don't think the Feather Potion alone would be enough to glide the distance," Gawain said. "But it would certainly help. And someone could just drink the potion in two parts in order to spread out the effect, so the time period need not be much of an issue. I do have to wonder if the Megacoaster was the only option available though... it strikes me as difficult to use."

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:09 pm

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"Maybe they coulda just jumped off the megacoaster after drinkin' the potion?" Eli remarked, "I dunno, this whole thing is gettin' tough to wrap my head around. Maybe the jetpacks coulda been used too?"

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:13 pm

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"Um... M-maybe they used the cape with the potion?" Nana suggested weakly. "There... there was a cape somewhere, r-right? I think there was..."

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:14 pm

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"The black cape could also have been used to glide over to the car", Evelyn added. "I think it could provide some much needed air time."

"I could see the jetpacks being used as well, especially since they were randomly scattered about in the space zone. I recall there being scorch marks in the jetball zone as well... Actually, I take that back, that may have been Kyoya and Annabella simply playing. And I believe the jetpacks started malfunctioning after 12:10, before which Hoshiko was still fine. Would it really have been in proper condition to fly up to the car?"

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"The cape would have done it, yes!" Gawain nodded happily. "If you were light enough then the cape would allow you to glide along quite a distance."

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:21 pm

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"Alright, then that solves it", Evelyn said, nodding happily. "So we have figured out how the killer entered and left the car in the given timespan. That just leaves the Haunted House event to fully wrap up. Is there anything else we can try and deduce about it, knowing the structure of the mansion?"

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:28 pm

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"But what, exactly, is your Megacoaster theory?" Gawain asked. "I do not think the issue of how the killer reached Hoshiko's car has been fully solved."

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:36 pm

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"U-umm..." Nana took a second to wipe her eyes again. "I... think Mr. Taylor saw someone with a cape go by the restaurant, r-right? So... s-so maybe they just... got on at the entrance...? Then they'd just... jump off when it got near the Ferris Wheel a-and float over...?"

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:53 pm

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"That seems to work well enough to me, yes", Evelyn agreed, "And then they just floated back down with the feather potion after doing the deed, then using the cape as a parafa- er, parachute! Then they simply vamoosed."

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:59 pm

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"I would be very dubious as to someone's ability to even stay on the coaster for that long," Gawain said. "Due to the malfunction it was not operating under normal safety restrictions. I'd be quite scared of being thrown off the ride if it were myself! If... I could even ride it."

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:20 pm

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"So basically they had to get on it somehow while it was moving, near the ferris wheel. Which certainly would have been difficult, considering they were moving at light speed... I don't think the jetpacks could have been used for this purpose either. I would say perhaps they used the rope from the horror zone to latch onto it and then get on it, but it was still at the mansion then..." Evelyn glanced to the others. "Is there something we're missing here?"

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:24 pm

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"What if they like, used the reverse bungee and hopped out of the pod for that ride and hovered over to the ferris wheel?"

Skylar looked around absentmindedly, because she'd totally been paying attention.

"Or did we eliminate that already?"

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:33 pm

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"The reverse bungee was malfunctioning by then, so would not have been accessible," Gawain said. "I think you are somewhat on the right track though: there might be other high-up points to make use of other than the Megacoaster."

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:41 pm

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"Oh, the control tower?" Eli asked, "It had stairs they coulda taken up, right?"

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Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:41 pm

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"Could the lookout point at the control tower possibly have been used, then?" Evelyn suggested.

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