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| Author: | JesusMonroe [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Red: not so fast emissary Red: ill vote for you if you put me in a rich country Red: ill give 20k to pink, so you only need to give 30 Red: open to other splits as well, but if youre fine with 0 you should be fine with 20 |
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| Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Brown: So, in essence, this game is about bidding for Pink's loyalty? Very well. Brown: Pink, I am willing to pass 75% of my winnings this round to you if you vote for me and I am elected. |
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| Author: | DootDootDoot [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Orange: Red what the hell are you doing Orange: I can put you in a rich country and you walk away with 50k Orange: That's like watching Alien 3 instead of the original when it's clearly an option |
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| Author: | KamiPanda [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Aqua: This is only round 0. Aqua: If I lie here, I sabotage my standing for the entirety of the rest of the game. Aqua: It is actively in my worst interests to renege on my promise. Aqua: So again, I am willing to offer all $50,000 to you, Pink, if you vote for me. Aqua: You will likely not get a better deal from anyone. Aqua: Don't worry, I am confident in my plan. Aqua: Red, you make a good offer. I will accept it if things go my way. |
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| Author: | Datamatt [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Pink: well I think I'll take the highest offer, so let's see what everyone has to say?? Pink: this isnt a great situation to be in for me either :^( |
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| Author: | DootDootDoot [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Orange: Pink wait Orange: I know a way you can get 60k |
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| Author: | Pierre [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Purple: Hohoho! A Tetris puzzle combined with a social game? How delightfully imaginative! Now! I think it’s fair to say we should nominate Pink the leader because that will provide plenty of profits for all! Purple: For it is true! Based upon these rules for Pink to rule would provide the most profit for all! If the winner takes a portion of everyone’s winnings then it makes sense to earn as much as possible! If Pink is to lead and choose themselves to be in the rich category then they must get in using a Joyous J formation! This puts 5 of us delightful dreamers into the rich country! Increasing the gains for all! And most importantly for the eventual winner when they rob the others of their spoils! |
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| Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Brown: It's impossible to get a better offer than what Aqua is offering you, Pink. The question is whether you can trust their offer. |
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| Author: | DootDootDoot [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Orange: There IS a way Orange: Me, Hazel, and two others each give them 15k Orange: That's 60k for Pink and still 35k for the rest of us |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Green: So the bidding war has begun, has it? This game is about buying loyalty—but I believe Pink is the wrong target. Brown: If you join myself, Yellow, and Orange, we can each offer $8,000 to Purple. Then all 5 of us would earn $42,000, and you and Orange would both end up with more than your current proposals to Pink. Of course, we could extend this offer to Red, Aqua, or Violet. Other combinations of 4/5 are obviously possible as well. Green: Apologies for using colors in lieu of names. |
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| Author: | Datamatt [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Pink: you can't just do that!! that'll leave me with nothing Pink: why would I ever vote for that? |
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| Author: | DootDootDoot [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Orange: Okay Orange: Everything I just said Orange: FORGET EVERYTHING Orange: VOTE GREEN |
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| Author: | KamiPanda [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Aqua: Now there's an interesting idea, Astrid. Aqua: I would of course quite like to be a part of that. Aqua: Perhaps an offer of $2000 to you, in addition to the $8000 to Maximillion, could sweeten the deal. Aqua: If Azazel and Vivenne offer the same then you will be better off than choosing the other side. |
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| Author: | Pierre [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Purple: Oh Pink! What’s a positively perilous pressure you must feel! However I trust your judgement in this matter! Regardless of the outcome if we are to end this game there must be far more money to be won elsewhere. Purple: So do not ponder and do not panic. There’s no need to get manic. I VOTE for Pink but please relax. I assume whatever choice you make will have DELIGHTFUL consequences! 
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| Author: | KamiPanda [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Aqua: Maximillion, I hope you are aware that Pink cannot go to either country. Aqua: There is no option where 5 people go to the rich country. |
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| Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
It was several moments before Brown replied again. Brown: While that's a very tempting offer, Green, I believe I'll have to decline. Pink is already entirely reliant on donations to earn anything this round, and this deal would leave them with nothing and essentially no say in the matter. Brown: It's too early in the game to burn my bridges with Pink like that. |
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| Author: | Pierre [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Purple: Oh there is not? Hmm a surprising thought. Let me see, I thought a J and an L fitted in quite neatly. The J curves up at the tip to P, the L inverted fits overhead see? For Tetris pieces can be rotated, I assumed these were the rules on which this game operated. |
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| Author: | Datamatt [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Pink: alright i think i can see why everyone's voting for Green Pink: and i think it's very selfish, i'm not like that Pink: i don't like that, while i don't have any leverage i can for sure say that it will be someone else in my position eventually! Pink: and if i'll have the leverage in that case Pink: then I don't think it's a very good idea to vote for green's plan Pink: right?? The writing gets a bit faster. |
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| Author: | KamiPanda [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Aqua: But Pink is the person in the middle. Aqua: At the top right is Purple, that being you, Maximillion. |
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| Author: | Southern Corn [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Yellow: i too would like to be a part of that if i can mr atsrid Yellow: itd be advanteguous for me so i m willnig to payy the same deal as aqua too be a partof htat Yellow: youd aearn my vote insuc h a case ofcourse. taht said brown hhas a valid pointas well. it would be njce to have an optionwhere pinkb enefits. perahps i d be willing to chang depedning on how things go |
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| Author: | Planetbox [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Violet: I’m afraid I’m getting a little lost in all these large sums of cash. Violet: While I’m in support of Astrid’s plan, is it not possible to donate money to Pink as well? Violet: Or would that require a large loss of funds on everyone else’s part? |
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| Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Brown: A player can only donate to one other player, so if we go with Green's plan, the only ones who could donate are those in the poor country. Brown: Since they are essentially "losing" the round, they'd have no incentive to give anything to Pink. |
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| Author: | KamiPanda [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Aqua: Because we can only donate to one person, I have a slightly different plan. Aqua: Astrid, I will vote for you, but only if you place yourself in the poor country. Aqua: Instead of giving $8000 to Maximillion, we each give $8000 to you. Aqua: That way we all get $42,000 as before. Aqua: But this way I can offer you $10,000 instead of $8000 to persuade you to pick me for the rich country. |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Green: An alternative: If every person in the rich country gives $23,333 to a person in the poor country, and every person in the poor country gives $6,666 to Pink, everyone will have $26,667, except Pink, who will have $26,6664. Green: The main question I had for Zero was: What happens if multiple people reach $1,000,000 simultaneously? Do they each get their prize? If so, I believe that is the outcome we should all cooperate to achieve. |
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| Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Brown: Those plans still have the same problem; there is no reason to give money to Pink since their vote is rendered meaningless. |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Green: The point is to be equitable to Pink, since some people here seem to care about that, although you are correct there is no direct incentive. If everyone agrees to share, I am fine splitting all the money, although if a workable group of 4 others wish to do the $42,000 plan, I am fine with that as well. |
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| Author: | Doctor Nanjo [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Code: If multiple people receive $1,000,000 at once, all would be rewarded money.
All post-round transactions are anonymous. |
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| Author: | KamiPanda [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Aqua: Zero, will we have any reliable way to tell how much money a given player has? Aqua: If multiple people reach $1,000,000 at once, do they also each win their respective bonus prizes? |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Green: ...If multiple players win, what about the additional promised prizes? |
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| Author: | Doctor Nanjo [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Code: There is no reliable way to know the cash of another player. A special prize will go to each winner.
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| Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Brown: My point is to give Pink a chance to earn money through their actions, not to be given money simply to be "fair". This is still a game, after all. |
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| Author: | KamiPanda [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Aqua: Donations are anonymous and we cannot directly confirm anyone's cash totals. Aqua: We can only rely on people's word. Aqua: This certainly throws a wrench in just about every plan we've managed to come up with thus far. Aqua: I was confident in my original idea but now Pink would have no reason to believe I'd truly donate $50,000 after the round was over, for example. Aqua: Astrid's plan is similarly nebulous. |
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| Author: | JesusMonroe [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Red: i will vote for whichever plan nets me the most in the end, and gives me little reason to assume the leader will betray me and put me in a poor country Red: astrid's appeals to me on that front |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Green: It’s unfortunate that Pink has been put in a disadvantageous position, but that is entirely due to Zero. Presumably Pink will have plenty of opportunities to earn money later. In fact, the prize for this round is less than 1% of the total needed to win; I do not think it’s necessary to get too caught up on this round. That all being said, what do you propose? Why should the rich country buy Pink’s vote for $10,000 each, when it can buy a poor country’s member’s vote for $8,000 each? Green: And again, given what Zero has just told us, I believe we should cooperate for everyone to simultaneously win. If we do that, individual monetary allocations, especially at this point, wouldn’t matter. Green: Whatever plan we adopt, we should structure payments so that each person gives to and receives from at most one person. This will make it easiest to find liars. |
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| Author: | Planetbox [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Violet: I feel largely the same on Astrid's plan! Violet: I don't believe there is much we can do about Pink, though. The added anonymity gives us little incentive to be generous. Violet: One plan that may somewhat alleviate that is to make Pink the leader. Violet: If she has the power, those placed in the rich country will have more reason to return the favor. Violet: This is by no means perfect, but it at least alleviates the notion that one should give money to someone who did not earn it! |
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| Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Brown: Well, if Aqua has decided to rescind their offer to Pink, I'll take it up. Brown: Pink, if you help get me elected, you can have my $50K from this round. |
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| Author: | KamiPanda [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Aqua: All it takes is one liar and it becomes difficult to tell who reneged on their end of the deal. Aqua: "I swear I gave A the money, they're lying to throw me under the bus." Aqua: "I swear B didn't give me the money, they're lying to maximise their profits." Aqua: There is no system by which we can tell which is telling the truth here. Aqua: Astrid, I agree that everyone reaching $1,000,000 is the ideal result. Aqua: But we cannot guarantee every round after this will allow for all 9 players to win. Aqua: Not to mention a single winner could well end up with up to $5,000,000 instead of just $1,000,000, in addition to winning their "prize". Aqua: There is a strong incentive to lie and cheat, and it only takes one person for the plan to fall apart. |
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| Author: | Planetbox [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Violet: At the very least, if we all cooperate and someone refuses to donate money, it's only a pair placed under suspicion, rather than an entire group. Violet: And besides, even if they can't prove it to the others, the victim would know for certain who betrayed them. Why make enemies for yourself this early in the game? Violet: Overall, I'd say this plan is our safest option! |
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| Author: | KamiPanda [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Aqua: This requires a plan whereby everyone has a designated donation target, and no two people donate to the same person, as Astrid said. Aqua: Which plans are everyone's preferences? Aqua: It's possible to get the $42,000 plan to work even with single donation targets, but it is riskier. Aqua: The $26,000 plan is somewhat lower risk and at least guarantees everyone starts off on equal footing. Aqua: This plan requires everyone to agree on it, however, and already not everyone does. Aqua: I am tempted to simply throw in the towel, vote a leader I think I can trust and hope things go my way. Aqua: Already my plan to take charge of the situation has fallen through. Aqua: Perhaps it simply was not to be. |
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| Author: | Planetbox [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 0) |
Violet: Perhaps we should give names to these plans, so we may discuss them more easily? Violet: For instance, we could call the 26K plan the Sharing is Caring Plan! :) Violet: What a delightful idea, if I do say so myself. |
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