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Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
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Author:  Hugtenburg [ Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
I was recently replaying 2-3, which I don't really like btw, but I found something weird. I don't know if there has been a topic about this already, but I couldn't find it so:

When you go to the ringmasters room and you examine the photo's close to the top of the room, you'll get this quote:
:maya: We should put up pictures of all the clients who have been found Not Guilty.
:phoenix: What about the clients who were found Guilty?
:maya: Umm... We'll just pretend like they don't exist. How's that? ... Nick! Now you've got me thinking about losing cases! Why'd you do that?

And just for those who read this topic eventhough I warned them...
Spoiler: Just don't read this if you haven't completed JFA
Now this was before 2-4, so... Does this mean Phoenix is not the ace Attorney we thought he was!?
Author:  DramaticaXIV2 [ Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Franziska makes a mention of his perfect record. It's in the contradiction page.

Maybe they don't have to pretend and just forget because they have nothing to remember?
Author:  Hugtenburg [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Yeah and that's what I found so weird... But Phoenix does really say: What about the clients who were found Guilty?

Meaning some of his clients have already been found guilty, thus he lost some cases... These cases couldn't have been against Franziska, cause she still wants to win(for the first time) in 2-3
Spoiler: Only read this if you completed JFA
Edgeworth only returns in part 2-4, so this makes Phoenix lose against some prosecutor we don't even know...
Author:  Drunken Hobo [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Well, the only known prosecutor that could've taken Phoenix out is Payne. I'm pretty sure you get to play all the cases against von Karma and Edgeworth. Therefore, Payne is the only other known Prosecutor from that time that Phoenix could've lost against. Maybe Payne is better than we thought... :payne:
Author:  urutapu [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
This has been on the main site for awhile now...
Author:  Hugtenburg [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
ooh..I didn't know, thought I came up with something new... :sadshoe:
Author:  DramaticaXIV2 [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Drunken Hobo wrote:
Well, the only known prosecutor that could've taken Phoenix out is Payne. I'm pretty sure you get to play all the cases against von Karma and Edgeworth. Therefore, Payne is the only other known Prosecutor from that time that Phoenix could've lost against. Maybe Payne is better than we thought... :payne:


He mentions he hadn't lost a case for 7 years in GS4, remember.
Author:  Hugtenburg [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
Drunken Hobo wrote:
Well, the only known prosecutor that could've taken Phoenix out is Payne. I'm pretty sure you get to play all the cases against von Karma and Edgeworth. Therefore, Payne is the only other known Prosecutor from that time that Phoenix could've lost against. Maybe Payne is better than we thought... :payne:


He mentions he hadn't lost a case for 7 years in GS4, remember.


So what? The event of Maya saying this, happened in 2-3. If we count back for 7 years from GS4, we see that it starts after 3-5
Spoiler: Apollo Justice
Or 4-4 if you know what I mean... So it is possible for Payne to have a 7 years record, because the best defense attorney is gone :sadshoe: He turned into :hobohodo: after all...
Author:  Magnus Orion [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
:objection:

:maya: 's comment was that they should put up the pictures. If they decide to do this they will put up pictures of clients after recieving the not guilty verdict.

:phoenix: then says what about the clients who were found guilty, foolishly foolish fool that he is, already assuming he will lose cases in the future. Hence the contradiction, since the storyline implies he has a perfect win record.

However, if they were talking about the idea of putting up pictures after the verdict was declared...

Then the clients would have already been found guilty when they will be putting the pictures up after a guilty verdict

In this context, the contradicition disappears :ka-whip:

Unfortunately, I'm not sure if that came across clear enough :payne:
Author:  Bad Player [ Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
It's just the fact that Phoenix said 'were'. If he had used another form (like 'are') it would've been fine. He could have just misspoke. Or the writers overlooked this.
Spoiler: 1-2 and 3-1 spoiler
Like when Phoenix said 'I never thought I'd be in the defendant's chair' in 1-2 :P



Besides, if he did lose a trial, this is what happened:

:udgy: : Court is now in session for the trial of Lou Sar.
:payne-stroke: : The prosecution's hair is ready.
:udgy: : It seems the defense is not here... I must immediately jump to the conclusion that he is not ready! Therefore, I find the defendant guilty!
:beta-phoenix2: : What about my right to a trial?
:udgy: : Do I look like I care?
* :phoenix: and :maya: burst into the room*
:oops: : Sorry we're late! We missed the bus.
:payne-stroke: : Actually, my hair has already won.
:ack: : WHAT?!
:maya-shock: : NIIIIIICK! This is all your fault! If you hadn't spent so much time getting your hair right, we could've gotten here on time!
:nick: : Yeah, but who's the one who insisted on a 79-course breakfast?
:hair-flip: : It doesn't matter. My hair has won! See ya later, loser.
:beta-phoenix2: : Huh? What about me?
Author:  jkiddingXD [ Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Phoenix Wright is just negative which lead to his sudden downfall
:guilty:
Author:  Dimentia [ Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
I think they're saying IF they lose cases. Phoenix has never really lost a case (according to what we know), so I'm guessing he's just saying IF he ever lost a case, what would they do.
I explained it really badly, I know. The point is, he didn't lose. He's just asking what Maya would do IF he ever lost.
Author:  sanareth [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
In my opinion, he's probably talking about future cases to come. He seems like a bit of a pessimist, after all.
Author:  Bad Player [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
This is basically what it is: He is talking about cases to come, it's was just written/translated (dunno, since I haven't played the original ^^') in a bad way that implied that he had lost a case.
Author:  Bad Player [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
:oops:
Author:  Greeny [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Yup. Simple. What I don't get is why people had to think about it
before figuring that out.
Author:  major_pw_fan [ Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Well like was said maya said we should put up picture which means if they ever did get a guilty client they could then put up pictures, it doesnt mean that he has had any guilty clients, except maybe lana even thought she was ound guilty of another crime
Author:  Szabu [ Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
In GS4 as I recall they say that Phoenix had a nearly perfect win record with only one loss.
That would be 2-4, and he won all else.
Author:  undershot1 [ Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
I'm just going to say a writters mistake. :payne:
Author:  Phoenix_Apollo [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
I don't see the problem. Maya was just saying "What if we did this sometime?" and Phoenix was asking "What if any clients were found guilty by thar time?" basically.
Author:  Psyche-locked [ Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
I'm pretty sure Maya was just speaking hypothetically...
Author:  Hugtenburg [ Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Hugtenburg wrote:
:phoenix: What about the clients who were found Guilty?
:maya: Umm... We'll just pretend like they don't exist. How's that? ... Nick! Now you've got me thinking about losing cases! Why'd you do that?



Not that good at the grammar of English but Phoenix clearly says: "Who were found Guilty" which means it's in the past...

Srry, if I don't understand the grammer good enough :payne:
Author:  Phoenix_Apollo [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Hugtenburg wrote:
Hugtenburg wrote:
:phoenix: What about the clients who were found Guilty?
:maya: Umm... We'll just pretend like they don't exist. How's that? ... Nick! Now you've got me thinking about losing cases! Why'd you do that?



Not that good at the grammar of English but Phoenix clearly says: "Who were found Guilty" which means it's in the past...

Srry, if I don't understand the grammer good enough :payne:


However, he is giving an analogy; an example.
Author:  NinjaMonkey [ Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Hugtenburg wrote:
DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
Drunken Hobo wrote:
Well, the only known prosecutor that could've taken Phoenix out is Payne. I'm pretty sure you get to play all the cases against von Karma and Edgeworth. Therefore, Payne is the only other known Prosecutor from that time that Phoenix could've lost against. Maybe Payne is better than we thought... :payne:


He mentions he hadn't lost a case for 7 years in GS4, remember.


So what? The event of Maya saying this, happened in 2-3. If we count back for 7 years from GS4, we see that it starts after 3-5
Spoiler: Apollo Justice
Or 4-4 if you know what I mean... So it is possible for Payne to have a 7 years record, because the best defense attorney is gone :sadshoe: He turned into :hobohodo: after all...


The seven years that Payne refers to, is the seven years before his defeat by Mia in 3-1. :knock-knock:
Author:  Magnus Orion [ Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Hugtenburg wrote:
Hugtenburg wrote:
:phoenix: What about the clients who were found Guilty?
:maya: Umm... We'll just pretend like they don't exist. How's that? ... Nick! Now you've got me thinking about losing cases! Why'd you do that?



Not that good at the grammar of English but Phoenix clearly says: "Who were found Guilty" which means it's in the past...

Srry, if I don't understand the grammer good enough :payne:


"Who will have been found" would be more correct, however, in this case, future assumes present because they are taking hypothetically about the future. This often happens with story telling and examples. Listen to someone tell a story. They will say things like "So I go in and he's sitting there...", which is clearly present tense but intended past. Its common enough, so Phoenix isn't really making a mistake.
Author:  dapz [ Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Did you notice in 2-3? Probably spoilers (also2-4)
Maybe in advance if anyone ever does get found guilty?
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