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So why was the Celeste picture kept by Matt do you think?
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-Matt still had sentimental feelings for Celeste
-He was planning to use it against Juan
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(Witty Name Here) wrote:
My thoughts exactly. There are two possible answers:
-Matt still had sentimental feelings for Celeste
-He was planning to use it against Juan
-Matt still had sentimental feelings for Celeste
-He was planning to use it against Juan
Maybe it's both!
...That bastard. XD
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(Witty Name Here) wrote:
My thoughts exactly. There are two possible answers:
-Matt still had sentimental feelings for Celeste
-He was planning to use it against Juan
-Matt still had sentimental feelings for Celeste
-He was planning to use it against Juan
Er, hadn't he done as much damage as he could to Juan with Celeste?
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et91 wrote:
(Witty Name Here) wrote:
My thoughts exactly. There are two possible answers:
-Matt still had sentimental feelings for Celeste
-He was planning to use it against Juan
-Matt still had sentimental feelings for Celeste
-He was planning to use it against Juan
Er, hadn't he done as much damage as he could to Juan with Celeste?
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fatalfeline wrote:
et91 wrote:
(Witty Name Here) wrote:
My thoughts exactly. There are two possible answers:
-Matt still had sentimental feelings for Celeste
-He was planning to use it against Juan
-Matt still had sentimental feelings for Celeste
-He was planning to use it against Juan
Er, hadn't he done as much damage as he could to Juan with Celeste?
Spoiler: 2-4
I meant as far as there literally was nothing he could do
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I was kind of disappointed in the way Matt was portrayed...psycho, selfish, basically a total bitch. Yeah, maybe he was deep down inside, but the whole "But I don't believe in anyone..." thing just kinda got me curious as to WHY he doesn't believe in anyone. WHY he only looks after himself. Could it have something to do with Celeste? Juan? His childhood? The lack of depth in his character...pfft. Then again, most villains are portrayed that way, especially one-case type characters. But still, as one of my all-time favorite characters, I wish Matt's feelings would have been a little more developed. Or at least, not "OMG IM TTLY LIEK A PSYCHO!!1!" crap we got.
My two cents. :3
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Just an opinion... Maybe its just there for Maya to write her note on and to prove a connection of Matt and Celeste (obviously but I like pointing it out anyways).
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tsukixkumori wrote:
I was kind of disappointed in the way Matt was portrayed...psycho, selfish, basically a total bitch. Yeah, maybe he was deep down inside, but the whole "But I don't believe in anyone..." thing just kinda got me curious as to WHY he doesn't believe in anyone. WHY he only looks after himself. Could it have something to do with Celeste? Juan? His childhood? The lack of depth in his character...pfft. Then again, most villains are portrayed that way, especially one-case type characters. But still, as one of my all-time favorite characters, I wish Matt's feelings would have been a little more developed. Or at least, not "OMG IM TTLY LIEK A PSYCHO!!1!" crap we got.
My two cents. :3
I agree. His 'I don't trust anybody but myself' was meant to make him seem dangerous, but it's rather sad when you think about it.
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Would it really bother Juan that she had had other boyfriends before him? I don't think that "I had her first!" is a good enough reason for him to call off their wedding. I wasn't really clear on if Juan was a terrible guy too or just deceived by Matt.
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Little did he know that he was just satisfying Matt's ego by doing so. D:
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Because he's an egotistical bastard.O_O
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I always thought it was because Shelly de Killer was interested in her XD Just an opinion...
Just an opinion... I agree.
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Spoiler: Just throwing in my small contribution on the subject of 2-4.
Mind you, I'm highly biased, given that 2-4 was my favourite case and Matt's one of my favourite characters. I think the potential to create your own interpretation of that case's history and relationships is what makes it intriguing.
You know. To people like me, who can ponder such trivial things for hours.
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hippietree12 wrote:
I never really got this whole Celeste/Matt/Juan thing. I think that he just kept it to remind him of all the bad things he did or something.
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More likely, it was just to use against Juan by showing the world? Maybe he had feelings for her, and kept it to remind himself? I like my crazy theory, because I always try to find ways to justify the antagonists of any story.
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tsukixkumori wrote:
I was kind of disappointed in the way Matt was portrayed...psycho, selfish, basically a total bitch. Yeah, maybe he was deep down inside, but the whole "But I don't believe in anyone..." thing just kinda got me curious as to WHY he doesn't believe in anyone. WHY he only looks after himself. Could it have something to do with Celeste? Juan? His childhood? The lack of depth in his character...pfft. Then again, most villains are portrayed that way, especially one-case type characters. But still, as one of my all-time favorite characters, I wish Matt's feelings would have been a little more developed. Or at least, not "OMG IM TTLY LIEK A PSYCHO!!1!" crap we got.
My two cents. :3
My two cents. :3
It could be a possibility that his parents had something to do with him going psychotic. Or it could be what you just said "But it can't be because of Celeste to get him to go psychotic. There was no responsibility put on Celete for Matt's actions. The case never mentions on why Matt gave up on people and not trusting no one but himself. Celete has nothing to do with his actions. Not at all. Matt is just evil plain and simple. The game designers didn't develop Matt's feelings a little more as clearly there are no sympathy for lawbreakers, especially sereal killers, like Matt.
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I agree. His 'I don't trust anybody but myself' was meant to make him seem dangerous, but it's rather sad when you think about it.
Still, that doesn't motivate any decent person to go on a serial killing rampage to take his anger upon the world without any understanding as to what motivates him to do so in the first place. No motivation was given in the story, yes, but you cannot find it in your heart to forgive him for his actions. Know that I can't.
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Both Juan AND Matt were childish. By calling off the wedding, Juan was trying to say "Ew, something Matt touched. Can't have that."
Little did he know that he was just satisfying Matt's ego by doing so. D:
Little did he know that he was just satisfying Matt's ego by doing so. D:
Well, what doesn't make sense on why that he would be jealous of Celete and Juans relationship when Matt himself dumped her. Juan couldn't have dumped her because of Matt. Probably there was something about Celete that he didn't trust.
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The only reason Juan dumped Cesleste was because Matt had her first.
No, she flat out dumped him. But Matt lied to Juan telling him that she cheated on him while that Juan and her were fiancees. This lie not only destroyed their relationship, but Matt knew that this would drive her to kill herself and getting Adorian to attempting to kill herself because of it, because he knew that Adorian had strong feelings for her. I bet my two cents on it.
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I just realized a new possibility: Celeste was the crazy one. Matt and Celeste loved each other, but to protect Matt's image, she moved away to Global Studios, causing Matt to go insane. And he kept the picture to remind him of her. Probably a crazy theory, but still plausible.
More likely, it was just to use against Juan by showing the world? Maybe he had feelings for her, and kept it to remind himself? I like my crazy theory, because I always try to find ways to justify the antagonists of any story.
More likely, it was just to use against Juan by showing the world? Maybe he had feelings for her, and kept it to remind himself? I like my crazy theory, because I always try to find ways to justify the antagonists of any story.
No, a single relationship cannot drive someone to insanity. Matt is just a flat out rat bastard.
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I'm pretty sure that was what was going through his head at the time.
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Emperor Ing wrote:
He thought "You know, one day I'm gunna need to be caught about all this horrific blackmailing bullshit I've pulled over the course of my short life, so I'll keep this picture in plain sight so that some aspiring pursuer of justice will unlock the web of hatred I've spun over everyone I've ever known!"
I'm pretty sure that was what was going through his head at the time.
I'm pretty sure that was what was going through his head at the time.
You'd be surprised as to the amount of logic (or lack thereof) in that thought.
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burninator59 wrote:
i dont know but it must have something to do with shoe!
Yes, that explains on why that around his left eye has scratches on it. =P
Shoe knew Matt's true nature from the beginning.
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He thought "You know, one day I'm gunna need to be caught about all this horrific blackmailing bullshit I've pulled over the course of my short life, so I'll keep this picture in plain sight so that some aspiring pursuer of justice will unlock the web of hatred I've spun over everyone I've ever known!"
I'm pretty sure that was what was going through his head at the time.
I'm pretty sure that was what was going through his head at the time.
That could be a possiblity. But this doesn't explain on why that he would admit his actions if you pick "Not Guilty" in the ending. The reason why that he would admit his actions because he has nowhere else to go, once that De Killer knows that Matt was just using him, and ratted him by showing the videotape in court. Knowing that he would rather be in jail for life than to be killed. This is showing that he actually didn't want to be caught.
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Harry Miste wrote:
Emperor Ing wrote:
He thought "You know, one day I'm gunna need to be caught about all this horrific blackmailing bullshit I've pulled over the course of my short life, so I'll keep this picture in plain sight so that some aspiring pursuer of justice will unlock the web of hatred I've spun over everyone I've ever known!"
I'm pretty sure that was what was going through his head at the time.
I'm pretty sure that was what was going through his head at the time.
You'd be surprised as to the amount of logic (or lack thereof) in that thought.
Matt was never playing with a full deck of cards.
This can be said of ALL the PW/AJ villains.
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Ayanami wrote:
Even though it is a little late for this, but...
It could be a possibility that his parents had something to do with him going psychotic. Or it could be what you just said "But it can't be because of Celeste to get him to go psychotic. There was no responsibility put on Celete for Matt's actions. The case never mentions on why Matt gave up on people and not trusting no one but himself. Celete has nothing to do with his actions. Not at all. Matt is just evil plain and simple. The game designers didn't develop Matt's feelings a little more as clearly there are no sympathy for lawbreakers, especially sereal killers, like Matt.
Still, that doesn't motivate any decent person to go on a serial killing rampage to take his anger upon the world without any understanding as to what motivates him to do so in the first place. No motivation was given in the story, yes, but you cannot find it in your heart to forgive him for his actions. Know that I can't.
Well, what doesn't make sense on why that he would be jealous of Celete and Juans relationship when Matt himself dumped her. Juan couldn't have dumped her because of Matt. Probably there was something about Celete that he didn't trust.
No, she flat out dumped him. But Matt lied to Juan telling him that she cheated on him while that Juan and her were fiancees. This lie not only destroyed their relationship, but Matt knew that this would drive her to kill herself and getting Adorian to attempting to kill herself because of it, because he knew that Adorian had strong feelings for her. I bet my two cents on it.
No, a single relationship cannot drive someone to insanity. Matt is just a flat out rat bastard.
tsukixkumori wrote:
I was kind of disappointed in the way Matt was portrayed...psycho, selfish, basically a total bitch. Yeah, maybe he was deep down inside, but the whole "But I don't believe in anyone..." thing just kinda got me curious as to WHY he doesn't believe in anyone. WHY he only looks after himself. Could it have something to do with Celeste? Juan? His childhood? The lack of depth in his character...pfft. Then again, most villains are portrayed that way, especially one-case type characters. But still, as one of my all-time favorite characters, I wish Matt's feelings would have been a little more developed. Or at least, not "OMG IM TTLY LIEK A PSYCHO!!1!" crap we got.
My two cents. :3
My two cents. :3
It could be a possibility that his parents had something to do with him going psychotic. Or it could be what you just said "But it can't be because of Celeste to get him to go psychotic. There was no responsibility put on Celete for Matt's actions. The case never mentions on why Matt gave up on people and not trusting no one but himself. Celete has nothing to do with his actions. Not at all. Matt is just evil plain and simple. The game designers didn't develop Matt's feelings a little more as clearly there are no sympathy for lawbreakers, especially sereal killers, like Matt.
Salutation Here wrote:
I agree. His 'I don't trust anybody but myself' was meant to make him seem dangerous, but it's rather sad when you think about it.
Still, that doesn't motivate any decent person to go on a serial killing rampage to take his anger upon the world without any understanding as to what motivates him to do so in the first place. No motivation was given in the story, yes, but you cannot find it in your heart to forgive him for his actions. Know that I can't.
tsukixkumori wrote:
Both Juan AND Matt were childish. By calling off the wedding, Juan was trying to say "Ew, something Matt touched. Can't have that."
Little did he know that he was just satisfying Matt's ego by doing so. D:
Little did he know that he was just satisfying Matt's ego by doing so. D:
Well, what doesn't make sense on why that he would be jealous of Celete and Juans relationship when Matt himself dumped her. Juan couldn't have dumped her because of Matt. Probably there was something about Celete that he didn't trust.
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
The only reason Juan dumped Cesleste was because Matt had her first.
No, she flat out dumped him. But Matt lied to Juan telling him that she cheated on him while that Juan and her were fiancees. This lie not only destroyed their relationship, but Matt knew that this would drive her to kill herself and getting Adorian to attempting to kill herself because of it, because he knew that Adorian had strong feelings for her. I bet my two cents on it.
Tmabbbb wrote:
I just realized a new possibility: Celeste was the crazy one. Matt and Celeste loved each other, but to protect Matt's image, she moved away to Global Studios, causing Matt to go insane. And he kept the picture to remind him of her. Probably a crazy theory, but still plausible.
More likely, it was just to use against Juan by showing the world? Maybe he had feelings for her, and kept it to remind himself? I like my crazy theory, because I always try to find ways to justify the antagonists of any story.
More likely, it was just to use against Juan by showing the world? Maybe he had feelings for her, and kept it to remind himself? I like my crazy theory, because I always try to find ways to justify the antagonists of any story.
No, a single relationship cannot drive someone to insanity. Matt is just a flat out rat bastard.
Everything you said in that post makes absolutely no sense, that I can't even begin to nitpick. But I do agree that Matt's the biggest bastard ever to bastard. ._.;;
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Re: So why was the Celeste picture kept by Matt do you think?
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i dont know but it must have something to do with shoe!
Clearly Shoe was madly in love with Celeste.
And so was everyone else.
Really, I never thought about it before, but now that you mention it, it's a really good question.
And I can't think of a good explanation.I like the idea of him using it as a "trophy" of sorts, though--a reminder of how he hurt Juan.
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Emperor Ing wrote:
Harry Miste wrote:
Emperor Ing wrote:
He thought "You know, one day I'm gunna need to be caught about all this horrific blackmailing bullshit I've pulled over the course of my short life, so I'll keep this picture in plain sight so that some aspiring pursuer of justice will unlock the web of hatred I've spun over everyone I've ever known!"
I'm pretty sure that was what was going through his head at the time.
I'm pretty sure that was what was going through his head at the time.
You'd be surprised as to the amount of logic (or lack thereof) in that thought.
Matt was never playing with a full deck of cards.
This can be said of ALL the PW/AJ villains.
YES, I WILL NOW HATCH A CONVOLUTED PLAN TO PIN THE MURDER ON SOMEONE ELSE WHILST SIMULTANEOUSLY SOWING THE SEEDS OF MY OWN EVENTUAL DEMISE HA HA HA HA HAThe games would be boring if they controlled every aspect of the case that they could possibly do.
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