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2-4 is the best and most emotional case in the series(spoile
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Anyone agree?
I think the whole Celeste/Adrian/Juan/Matt um, quagmire?, is the most emotional backstory in the series(though a certain one in 3-5, 1-4, and 1-5 come close), and that final "choice" at the end seriously made me spend a good 5 minutes thinking about what to choose.
And
= evilest villain ever
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Felice wrote:
2-4 was my favorite case until I played Bridge to the Turnabout. But it's still awesome, very epic and suspenseful and exciting. =D
This.
But 2-4's ending > 3-5's ending.
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Mostly because
3-5 > 2-4 > 1-4 > 4-4
And these are the best cases of each game.
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Spends the case giving boring seminars on philosophy, and all his ranting about depression and "choosing death" made me want to kill myself, ironically.
is evil all right, but falls flat as a character. "Sociopahtic rival" is hardly a complete backstory and explanation for his actions, now is it?Oh, and please meet
. She can explain to you the meaning of the term "evilest villain ever".
and Celeste was just a lame love triangle...with some random woman involved who is so emo she makes 2-4 Edgey seem like 1-2 Edgey.That's not deep, emotional backstory. That's just steriotypical melodrama. Still, I like how it at least makes logical sence (3-5, anyone?)
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I LOVED this case. True, it may be a bit dramatic, but the intense scenes at the end with Gumshoe hurrying and Phoenix/Edgeworth trying desperately to drag the trial on. ^_^ It shows how much Phoenix really cares about Maya (get your thoughts away from thinking I ship them! D:<)
Matt is my favorite villain. EVER. Like, in the whole game. He pwns Dahlia, he pwns Kristoph (both of whom I actually like a lot), he pwns just about every other villain in the whole game. True, he doesn't have much character development. But does any villain in PW, with the exception of Dahlia, have a developed backstory? No. Juan even got something of a past in this case! When do you see the victim get some details like that?!
And Edgeworth? Please don't mock him. He went through a lot to finally see the truth, and this case is his shiny return.
We've never had any sort of triangle involving romance in PW, as far as I can tell. It was a first-time thing, and a lot of people liked the tragicness of it all. Cuz everyone died except Adrian in the end. (I think? Did Matt get the death penalty? -hopes not-) And she was the one who WANTED to die. XD
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tsukixkumori wrote:
-doesn't agree with Queenpo-
I LOVED this case. True, it may be a bit dramatic, but the intense scenes at the end with Gumshoe hurrying and Phoenix/Edgeworth trying desperately to drag the trial on. ^_^ It shows how much Phoenix really cares about Maya (get your thoughts away from thinking I ship them! D:<)and how much Edgeworth cares about Phoeni- *SHOT*
Matt is my favorite villain. EVER. Like, in the whole game. He pwns Dahlia, he pwns Kristoph (both of whom I actually like a lot), he pwns just about every other villain in the whole game. True, he doesn't have much character development. But does any villain in PW, with the exception of Dahlia, have a developed backstory? No. Juan even got something of a past in this case! When do you see the victim get some details like that?!
And Edgeworth? Please don't mock him. He went through a lot to finally see the truth, and this case is his shiny return.
We've never had any sort of triangle involving romance in PW, as far as I can tell. It was a first-time thing, and a lot of people liked the tragicness of it all. Cuz everyone died except Adrian in the end. (I think? Did Matt get the death penalty? -hopes not-) And she was the one who WANTED to die. XD
I LOVED this case. True, it may be a bit dramatic, but the intense scenes at the end with Gumshoe hurrying and Phoenix/Edgeworth trying desperately to drag the trial on. ^_^ It shows how much Phoenix really cares about Maya (get your thoughts away from thinking I ship them! D:<)
Matt is my favorite villain. EVER. Like, in the whole game. He pwns Dahlia, he pwns Kristoph (both of whom I actually like a lot), he pwns just about every other villain in the whole game. True, he doesn't have much character development. But does any villain in PW, with the exception of Dahlia, have a developed backstory? No. Juan even got something of a past in this case! When do you see the victim get some details like that?!
And Edgeworth? Please don't mock him. He went through a lot to finally see the truth, and this case is his shiny return.
We've never had any sort of triangle involving romance in PW, as far as I can tell. It was a first-time thing, and a lot of people liked the tragicness of it all. Cuz everyone died except Adrian in the end. (I think? Did Matt get the death penalty? -hopes not-) And she was the one who WANTED to die. XD
Adrian should be loved more for this fact.
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Furthermore,
is awesome because they did give her a backstory, not in spite of it.And, while PW never bothered with one until 2-4, love triangles pathetically dominate the media. PW is not cloning itself, but is still being a stereotypical mess by adding one. I'm not saying it was horrible, but it was too simple given the amazing work that went into 1-4 and 3-145.
And many clients, killers and victims have backstories; THE WHOLE TRILOGY LED UP TO 3-5'S KILLING! In fact, the backstories of the villains and/or victims were more important in 1-2, 1-4, 2-2 and 3-145. They just spent too much time with boring people like Juan.
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They also did it in 2-3.
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And how can you say they threw away Edgeworth's development was thrown away? It was just the next step. Much better then in 3-5 whne he became a defense attorney and only cared about finding the client innocent, not about finding the truth
And I still think both Matt and Morgan are eviler then Dahlia. And Matt was much, much more succesful. Dahlia was careless. Matt prepared for every loose end.
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Queepo50001 wrote:
Is this some type of joke? The lack of genuine emotions is the REASON why I don't like 2-4 over 1-4. (I still consider it the second best case, though.)
Spends the case giving boring seminars on philosophy, and all his ranting about depression and "choosing death" made me want to kill myself, ironically.
Spends the case giving boring seminars on philosophy, and all his ranting about depression and "choosing death" made me want to kill myself, ironically.Hey now, all those "boring seminars on philosophy" are what finally made me girlboner for the guy. He did seem a little arrogant at first, lecturing Nick on their true roles as lawyers, but eventually we came to see it was all genuine. Not only did he speak of the importance of seeking the truth, he practiced what he preached. Miles was "weak" at the end of the first game, questioning his role and borderline legal methods, and eventually "choosing death" when he had no answer. He came back better than ever, and yes, a year is enough to change a person, depending on their experiences. (Well, if it took a friend less than six months to completely corrupt me...
) All his ranting was to show how much he had changed between 1-5 and 2-4. Of course, there's still that pesky earthquake problem...
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tsukixkumori wrote:
We've never had any sort of triangle involving romance in PW, as far as I can tell. It was a first-time thing, and a lot of people liked the tragicness of it all. Cuz everyone died except Adrian in the end. (I think? Did Matt get the death penalty? -hopes not-) And she was the one who WANTED to die. XD
I think it's more of a Quad Drama, then Triangle drama. :P hehe
And Matt didn't get the Death penality, he had a choice of either going in jail, or be assissinated by Shelley. ;) So Jail most likely. Only known person as of yet Pre GS3(I haven't played GS3 or GS4.) is Darke.
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I rank Matt Engarde and Dahlia together because they're just selfish, bad, egotistical, manipulative people.
Matt's motivation is explained quite well and it's not because he's insane. He thinks he's smarter than everyone and can get away with everything, but for the skin of his teeth, he actually almost does. Were not for Edgeworth then Matt would have killed his rival in the action industry and probably moved into genuine Hollywood stardom. Worse, I believe Matt when he said that shedding his lovable doofus image to become a complete ****** would have actually HELPED his career.
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I disagree! I really hated this case, It was really boring. I only cared about saving Maya. 
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Vordox wrote:
And Matt didn't get the Death penality, he had a choice of either going in jail, or be assissinated by Shelley. ;) So Jail most likely. Only known person as of yet Pre GS3(I haven't played GS3 or GS4.) is Darke.
All murders get the Death Penalty in the AA world (Dee Vasquez killed out of self-defence, so she'd be immune, I'd have thought). So, Matt's gonna die, neverless (as hiring someone to kill another person, is considered the same as actually doing the deed yourself).
As for an emotional case, I think it ranks slighty behind 1-5 and 4-3, due to those guilty parties do their best to try and weasel their way out of an idictment.
Oh, and Kristoph Gavin beats everyone hands down as the series most evil villian!
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Ninja Monkey wrote:
All murders get the Death Penalty in the AA world
This has been disproven, actually. The whole plotline of Doctor Grey makes no sense if Maya would have gotten the death penalty for killing Doctor Grey. Remember, a major plot point is that Phoenix didn't choose justified self-defense. Maya, apparently, would have gotten off scott free if she had done it.
Which is why everyone looks at Phoenix like he's insane because he doesn't go that root.
Likewise, the prosecutor says he'll be lenient on Acro.
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Yes, it was dramatic. Melodramatic, even. However, that's just the flavor of the Ace Attorney games: they are not designed to be taken completely seriously. But I really felt Nick's pain during that case... I'm pretty sure that I was close to crying at certain points.
Incidentally, 2-4 was also the case that caused me to warm up to the Nick/Maya pairing. I wasn't really feeling it before (it seemed like Maya got on Nick's nerves too much), but that case really drove home to me how much they love each other. Real love: unconditional, agape love.
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Personally, I almost have a phobia of 2-4. I played through it once, and it was almost a German expressionist plotline - full of nightmares and horrors, like a horror movie. 3-5, though violent, was the result of the love that connected many hearts in order to stop the hate of one person from materializing, and for that reason, I feel much more comfortable with that plotline.
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Kartoon Kween wrote:
2-4 was actually my favorite case during my first play-through of the games (1-5 became my favorite after the second play-through: it's the sort of case that's better the second time you play it, mainly because of all the easter eggs you find).
Yes, it was dramatic. Melodramatic, even. However, that's just the flavor of the Ace Attorney games: they are not designed to be taken completely seriously. But I really felt Nick's pain during that case... I'm pretty sure that I was close to crying at certain points.
Incidentally, 2-4 was also the case that caused me to warm up to the Nick/Maya pairing. I wasn't really feeling it before (it seemed like Maya got on Nick's nerves too much), but that case really drove home to me how much they love each other. Real love: unconditional, agape love.
Yes, it was dramatic. Melodramatic, even. However, that's just the flavor of the Ace Attorney games: they are not designed to be taken completely seriously. But I really felt Nick's pain during that case... I'm pretty sure that I was close to crying at certain points.
Incidentally, 2-4 was also the case that caused me to warm up to the Nick/Maya pairing. I wasn't really feeling it before (it seemed like Maya got on Nick's nerves too much), but that case really drove home to me how much they love each other. Real love: unconditional, agape love.
I think its pretty clear that Phoenix would have the same exact reactions for any of his friends. Edgeworth, Larry(in the first game anyways. Both Edgeworth and Phoenix start hating Larry for whatever reason in game 3 <_<), and potentially Gumshoe and Franziska(around 3-5 time anyways)
Its called friendship.
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Anyone dying because of him would suck.
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Not the fact that he wanted to save her, but the method he spoke, his eyesight faded, etc.
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And I still think it would have been the same with any of his close friends. You certainly can't prove it isn't
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You should replay it maybe, after all, it's the 2nd best case ever :)
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Charles Phipps wrote:
NinjaMonkey wrote:
All murders get the Death Penalty in the AA world
This has been disproven, actually. The whole plotline of Doctor Grey makes no sense if Maya would have gotten the death penalty for killing Doctor Grey. Remember, a major plot point is that Phoenix didn't choose justified self-defense. Maya, apparently, would have gotten off scott free if she had done it.
Except Maya didn't actually kill Dr. Grey. And at the end of 2-4, Maya says that she's avoided death three times already (meaning the events of 1-2, 2-2 and 2-4). Which implies that had she been found guilty in 2-2, then she would be facing the death penalty!
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EVERY CRIMINAL IN THE GS SERIES GETS THE DEATH PENALTY, UNLESS THERE ARE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE IN THE CASE OF ACRO AND DEE.
Examples:
Manfred von Karma: Technically killed only one person. ONE. That's on par with all other normal criminals in the series.
Joe Darke got the death penalty for killing a lot of people.
Spoiler: GS3
And furthermore, IT'S NOT EMBELLISHING SOMETHING WHEN YOU ESCAPE DEATH THREE TIMES. I don't understand why you guys don't believe that she's telling the truth.
Hell, even Phoenix talks about how he fights for his clients because it's their lives on the line. Why else would he say that if they weren't going to get the death penalty?
Really guys, they do get it. I don't know how much clearer I have to put it.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Manfred von Karma: Technically killed only one person. ONE. That's on par with all other normal criminals in the series.
Two. He only pulled the trigger on one, but he arranged for a second, and as was said again and again in 2-4, the person who arranges a hit is as guilty - or more so - as the one who actually does the hit.
The death penalty is applied disturbingly often in the series, but Manny is not really an example...two cold-blooded killings, even over a span of almost 20 years, including manipulating another man into committing the second, and framing a third for it, is adequate to make him a good candidate for it.
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Kamino Neko wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Manfred von Karma: Technically killed only one person. ONE. That's on par with all other normal criminals in the series.
Two. He only pulled the trigger on one, but he arranged for a second, and as was said again and again in 2-4, the person who arranges a hit is as guilty - or more so - as the one who actually does the hit.
The death penalty is applied disturbingly often in the series, but Manny is not really an example...two cold-blooded killings, even over a span of almost 20 years, including manipulating another man into committing the second, and framing a third for it, is adequate to make him a good candidate for it.
They can't prove he was behind the killing in 1-4 though. He probably burned the paper
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et91 wrote:
Kamino Neko wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Manfred von Karma: Technically killed only one person. ONE. That's on par with all other normal criminals in the series.
Two. He only pulled the trigger on one, but he arranged for a second, and as was said again and again in 2-4, the person who arranges a hit is as guilty - or more so - as the one who actually does the hit.
The death penalty is applied disturbingly often in the series, but Manny is not really an example...two cold-blooded killings, even over a span of almost 20 years, including manipulating another man into committing the second, and framing a third for it, is adequate to make him a good candidate for it.
They can't prove he was behind the killing in 1-4 though. He probably burned the paper
The paper ordering Yanni to do it was an important piece of evidence during 1-4.
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Anyway, I tend to think that Manfred wasn't executed.
Spoiler: T&T
I tend to think that he was sentenced to prison, but he just couldn't bear it after all these perfect years that he got a heart attack or committed suicide or something like this. He was old anyway.
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Szabu wrote:
Didn't they kinda confess?
Anyway, I tend to think that Manfred wasn't executed.
I tend to think that he was sentenced to prison, but he just couldn't bear it after all these perfect years that he got a heart attack or committed suicide or something like this. He was old anyway.
Anyway, I tend to think that Manfred wasn't executed.
Spoiler: T&T
I tend to think that he was sentenced to prison, but he just couldn't bear it after all these perfect years that he got a heart attack or committed suicide or something like this. He was old anyway.
Or he was executed. Yeah.
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