Board index » Phoenix Wright » Defendant's Lobby » Hazakurain (GS3)

Page 1 of 2[ 53 posts ]
Go to page 1, 2  Next
 


Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

the Rock Pokemon

Gender: Male

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:15 pm

Posts: 213

When Phoenix got out of the hospital and returned to the temple (and you therefore resumed playing as him), and Edgeworth and the others went off to investigate the Inner Temple area, why did Franziska stay with Phoenix? That immediately struck me as odd. She was a member of the Prosecutor's Office too, she could have gone with them. It was awesome though to have her be the person you talk with as you explore and examine stuff.
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

magically!delicious!

Gender: Female

Location: Ohio

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:02 am

Posts: 158

My guess? Sheer amusement. For the gamer. Seriously, I love Friskasnark. The writers probably just wanted to throw her in there. She's fun.

Alternatively, one could say she likes trekking around in the cold with someone she believes to be a complete moron. Because she likes making fun of him.

Phoenix/Franny shippers will give you another reason I'm sure though.
Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

the Rock Pokemon

Gender: Male

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:15 pm

Posts: 213

I'm not sure it was purely to make fun of him. I didn't notice an excessive amount of that in their conversations. (Whipping is not conversation, BTW.)
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title

True love is forever.

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:55 am

Posts: 2182

You mean besides the sheer amusement of having Phoenix whipped repeatedly? I think it may have been to show her attitude change. All the prosecutors Phoenix goes up aganst change for the better as he reaches them in some way and our dear Franny was no different. She comes back a changed woman. For example, she is obviously upset by Pearl's anger and really does seem concerned for Maya (and Phoenix while we're at it). She still wants to win, but that has been tempered as she seems to be coming out of her father's brainwashing. Franziska's a great character, in my opinion, and I'm happy we got to see more of her personality.
Proud Supporter of Phoenix/Iris, Ron/Dessie, Klavier/Ema, and Apollo/Vera
Fanfics Updated-12/25
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

I'm in your skies; raeping your balloons

Gender: None specified

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:18 am

Posts: 561

It felt like a short 'not-so-buddy-yet-cop' situation; defense and prosecution working hand in hand...and whip!

Personally, I was pretty happy when Godot later puts her in her place. We kinda forgot that technically she's the youngest of all the lawyers/prosecutors so far; even funnier when she doesn't dare whip Godot and ends up whipping poor Nick XD

Last edited by Byakko on Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

the Rock Pokemon

Gender: Male

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:15 pm

Posts: 213

Mia_Fey wrote:
You mean besides the sheer amusement of having Phoenix whipped repeatedly? I think it may have been to show her attitude change. All the prosecutors Phoenix goes up aganst change for the better as he reaches them in some way and our dear Franny was no different. She comes back a changed woman. For example, she is obviously upset by Pearl's anger and really does seem concerned for Maya (and Phoenix while we're at it). She still wants to win, but that has been tempered as she seems to be coming out of her father's brainwashing. Franziska's a great character, in my opinion, and I'm happy we got to see more of her personality.

I think I agree. I LOVED that scene between her and Pearl. I remember Pearl saying in the last game that she'd give Franziska a piece of her mind, and Phoenix thinking that he wouldn't miss tomorrow's trial for the world, but Pearl never did get to talk to Franziska. Neat that it finally happened.

I also thought it was interesting who she whipped less. She wouldn't whip Pearl or Godot, and only did it to Edgeworth once or twice.
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

...

Gender: Female

Location: UK

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:48 pm

Posts: 137

What happened to the Fourth Piece Of Evidence from 2-4? :(
Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title

Gender: None specified

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:32 am

Posts: 1060

Hints in the epilogue, if we're thinking about the same case here :o
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

the Rock Pokemon

Gender: Male

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:15 pm

Posts: 213

Does it? I can't remember what Franziska said.
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Female

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:48 am

Posts: 593

I'm a bit sad they didn't remember the fourth piece of evidence and Franziska's promise. That would've been so awesome...
Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title

True love is forever.

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:55 am

Posts: 2182

If I remember correctly, I don't think it ever comes back. Personally, I think it was more a symbol that Franziska would come back after her realization in 2.4, rather than having any other real meaning. Besides I think she said she would return it when she faced Phoenix in court. She faced Miles, not Phoenix. ...we may have a long wait before we see that card again. :gant:
Proud Supporter of Phoenix/Iris, Ron/Dessie, Klavier/Ema, and Apollo/Vera
Fanfics Updated-12/25
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

Lives in a box mansion

Gender: Female

Location: Making a blanket fort under the defense bench

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:44 pm

Posts: 1947

Marsha2112 wrote:
What happened to the Fourth Piece Of Evidence from 2-4? :(


She traded it to a fifteen year old boy when he popped out of a manhole and offered her special paper clips from the moon! 8D
(first one to get what book I'm referencing in that gets a cookie)

Last edited by RazeTora on Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

MIIiaaa FEEeEeY!!

Gender: Female

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:47 pm

Posts: 70

Because Feenie has to have a cute girl accompony him on the investigation. Of course.
Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title

Tide Turner

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:40 am

Posts: 19

Spoiler:
did no one else question the other strange happening about 3-5??? On how morgan knew she'd meet dahlia in prison before actually going to prison? I'd say it's Xtra Sensory perception on her part!
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

Lives in a box mansion

Gender: Female

Location: Making a blanket fort under the defense bench

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:44 pm

Posts: 1947

dahlia26 wrote:
Spoiler:
did no one else question the other strange happening about 3-5??? On how morgan knew she'd meet dahlia in prison before actually going to prison? I'd say it's Xtra Sensory perception on her part!


She's a medium. Perhaps she's endowed with SIKIK P0W345
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

見たのか・・・!

Gender: Female

Location: London, England

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:17 am

Posts: 4782

dahlia26 wrote:
Spoiler:
did no one else question the other strange happening about 3-5??? On how morgan knew she'd meet dahlia in prison before actually going to prison? I'd say it's Xtra Sensory perception on her part!

She could've visited?
Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

the Rock Pokemon

Gender: Male

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:15 pm

Posts: 213

Morgan has no/very little spiritual power, IIRC.
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title

True love is forever.

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:55 am

Posts: 2182

Morgan is quite thorough in her actions, so I don't find it surprising that she would have had multiple plans ready to kill Maya. Dahlia even states that originally Morgan had planned to kill her for the plan, so I think Dahlia's cooperation was more a bonus than a necessity (although I don't know what Morgan would have done if Dahlia had refused to kill Maya, but perhaps she was simply betting on her daughter's nature). It's also likely that Morgan knew about her daughter's fate (Dahlia states that she was already on death row when she met with Morgan), although I doubt she cared what happened to her, and thought this could work. Having written the letter doesn't mean she had to use that one. Morgan could have had multiple different plans if that one hadn't fallen into place. Her need to wipe out the main family was an obssession by this time.
Proud Supporter of Phoenix/Iris, Ron/Dessie, Klavier/Ema, and Apollo/Vera
Fanfics Updated-12/25
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

Lives in a box mansion

Gender: Female

Location: Making a blanket fort under the defense bench

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:44 pm

Posts: 1947

Geodude wrote:
Morgan has no/very little spiritual power, IIRC.


She has super-b*tch powers...
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title

Tide Turner

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:40 am

Posts: 19

Spoiler:
but how would she know she would meet dahlia in prison, or rather, how did she plan without even knowing she'd meet dahlia(unless she did)
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

the Rock Pokemon

Gender: Male

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:15 pm

Posts: 213

She didn't. Dahlia specifically said that the plan started with her death.
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Female

Location: somewhere in La-La Land

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:30 am

Posts: 829

Hmmm I didn't think about the time difference before.. but wow.. Dahlia was in prison for quite some time before she was executed. :meekins: Let's see.. Dahlia was in prison when Mia was still a rookie attorney, which dates it to 6 years before PW3. Morgan was imprisoned in PW2 for being an accomplice to a murder. I guess a logical explanation would be that she somehow found out about it through her ex-husband or the news or something and visited her in prison, planning the whole thing. She then probably hid the letter she wrote before she was thrown in the slammer, which was about a year before PW3's events took place. :yuusaku:
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title

True love is forever.

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:55 am

Posts: 2182

Dahia was in prison 5 years before being executed because it is stated that Phoenix's case was five years prior to 3-5. Dahlia states that Morgan was moved to the same jail or something like that and because they were mother and daughter (and because Dahlia was on death row), it was not difficult to arrange a meeting. I assume Morgan had alternate plans to kill Maya if her original plan failed, she even hints at this at the end of 2-2 (very creepy. I figured we'd see her again in some way). Dahlia would have been on death row before Morgan went away. How Morgan knew about Dahlia? I can't imagine her ex-husband told her. He took their twin girls and told them they were never going back there (I truly hate this man even if we've never seen him. Look at the trouble he caused!) I would assume the news or someone in village found out and told her. We know the few men who stay in village work outside of Kurain.
Proud Supporter of Phoenix/Iris, Ron/Dessie, Klavier/Ema, and Apollo/Vera
Fanfics Updated-12/25
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

I can't believe its me either!

Gender: Male

Location: Unknown. (Seriously, Where am I?)

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:24 pm

Posts: 874

how did morgan know she would meet dahlia in prison?
3 words....

SHEER DUMB LUCK
Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

I'm in your skies; raeping your balloons

Gender: None specified

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:18 am

Posts: 561

andrx wrote:
how did morgan know she would meet dahlia in prison?
3 words....

SHEER DUMB LUCK


That's the ticket.

But it isn't about meeting Dahlia. It's rather that she actually wrote the letter specifically requiring that a) Dahlia's dead b) she's as psycho as her mom c) she's psycho abt killing Maya d) she'll actually go along with the mom who didn't care abt her.

I mean, I can imagine that she'd write to Pearl to channel Morgan herself, should she ever be executed. But to actually plan ahead to get her long-lost psychotic unstable daughter involved? Totally a stretch!
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

見たのか・・・!

Gender: Female

Location: London, England

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:17 am

Posts: 4782

Just a question...
How many Feys have died so far? Seems like a fair few to me :P
Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

What is my liiiife?!?

Gender: Male

Location: UK

Rank: Admin

Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:02 am

Posts: 2504

Quote:
Just a question...
How many Feys have died so far? Seems like a fair few to me :P

Two have died, possibly three, even though it seems much more than that XD
Spoiler: BIG 3-5
Mia Fey, by Redd White
Misty Fey, by Godot
Dahlia, who is technically a Fey, by execution.

Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

見たのか・・・!

Gender: Female

Location: London, England

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:17 am

Posts: 4782

Spoiler: GS3
Didn't Morgan get executed too? Maybe not, but the way they put it kind of confused me >.<

Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

What is my liiiife?!?

Gender: Male

Location: UK

Rank: Admin

Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:02 am

Posts: 2504

Spoiler:
Morgan didn't get executed, since she was only an accessory to murder. She gets a long prison sentence for the fact she planned the murder though, and it probably gets EVEN LONGER after TaT, since she organised that one too. I think she's stuck there for life.

Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

見たのか・・・!

Gender: Female

Location: London, England

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:17 am

Posts: 4782

And how many are in prison now? XD
Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

Lurker turned Member

Gender: Male

Location: Pennsylvania, USA

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:16 pm

Posts: 231

Byakko wrote:
andrx wrote:
how did morgan know she would meet dahlia in prison?
3 words....

SHEER DUMB LUCK


That's the ticket.

But it isn't about meeting Dahlia. It's rather that she actually wrote the letter specifically requiring that a) Dahlia's dead b) she's as psycho as her mom c) she's psycho abt killing Maya d) she'll actually go along with the mom who didn't care abt her.

I mean, I can imagine that she'd write to Pearl to channel Morgan herself, should she ever be executed. But to actually plan ahead to get her long-lost psychotic unstable daughter involved? Totally a stretch!


But remember, Dahlia had been on death row for about... 4 or so years I think before the events of 2-2. Dahlia was going to be executed eventually, there was no doubt about that. She was probably sure about being able to talk to Dahlia in jail about the plan at least for reasons Dahlia herself says about how she met up with morgan.
Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

Mipeltaja = the real badass

Gender: Male

Location: That one place. No, not that place, the other place.

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:14 am

Posts: 462

Geodude wrote:
When Phoenix got out of the hospital and returned to the temple (and you therefore resumed playing as him), and Edgeworth and the others went off to investigate the Inner Temple area, why did Franziska stay with Phoenix? That immediately struck me as odd. She was a member of the Prosecutor's Office too, she could have gone with them. It was awesome though to have her be the person you talk with as you explore and examine stuff.



Back on topic, I assumed it was because Pearl's hatred hit closer than she showed. Unlike Manfred, Franziska sees herself as a "good guy (except to defense attorneys)," so being told off by the girl she was trying to comfort must have hit pretty close to home, especially since that seemed to be the turning point between, "I will defeat you *whip*; imprisonment and execution to all those you love *whip*; fire rain down upon the souls of all defense attorneys *whip*" to "hey, Phoenix, mind if I help out? *whip*"

And I totally agree, Franziska helping you out made 3-5 insanely awesomer.
Billie Jean is not my lover.
Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

the Rock Pokemon

Gender: Male

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:15 pm

Posts: 213

Yeah but IIRC she didn't meet Pearl until after she had already stayed with Phoenix. I do agree that Pearl had an effect on her though.
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

I can't believe its me either!

Gender: Male

Location: Unknown. (Seriously, Where am I?)

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:24 pm

Posts: 874

1. how the hell did we get so off topic
2. it did seem weird,

it probably had something to do with the fact that edgeworth (her adopted brother, sort of) was willing to fill in for him made her curious about him, or something along those lines
Image
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

Just another fangirl...

Gender: Female

Location: A land of fires, mudslides, and the occasional earthquake

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:55 am

Posts: 247

If I recall right (which may not be the case, as it's almost 2am and I'm doped up on cold medication :cough: ), Franziska's reason for hanging around Nick for the duration was to "supervise" his investigation. The connotation came across to me as "I'm watching to make sure you don't try any funny business."

I'm sure Phoenix/Franziska shippers could easily read more into it though. And it may well be a certain amount of curiosity on her part- she hadn't seen Phoenix in about a year, and never for any prolonged period outside of court. Plus the possible curiosity mentioned before about a guy that trashed Edgeworth's perfect record, her father's perfect record, and HER perfect record; yet has had such a profound impact on her 'little brother' to the point that he willingly stepped into an almost totally alien role just to help Phoenix out.

Also, she had just gotten the unusual opportunity to test her mettle against Edgeworth; a situation that she apparently has craved on some level as indicated by J4A's ending and her comments on day 1 in court of 3-5. All because of Phoenix.

She is a very fascinating character, but man, I can't help but imagine that her upbringing is going to send her careening into one hell of a mid-life crisis. The girl had practically no real childhood, she seems to have been veritably brainwashed into her current career; and I imagine she's going to go through a nasty 'bout of burnout somewhere down the line.
Image
"Violence is the last resort of the intelligent, and the first resort of the incompetant." -FFA
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Female

Location: somewhere in La-La Land

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:30 am

Posts: 829

Hmmm this was my take on this situation. Firstly, Edgeworth mentioned that it was for "restricted personnel" only correct? That probably meant not just ANYONE could come along (including Franziska), although I'm not exactly sure where her status would stand in this particular case.

The other thing I could think of was well.. leaving Phoenix all alone while everyone rushed to save Maya would definitely keep him worrying. Franziska could have stayed behind to keep him distracted from the possibility of what was happening with Maya. We see Franziska extend a helping hand a lot to the people around her, which is very encouraging to see, since I'm all about character development. :godot: "There's actually a nice person under that cool whip-lashing exterior" lol..
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

What if i don't want a custom title?

Gender: Female

Location: Hiding in Brandon Flowers' sweet lil mustache

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:32 pm

Posts: 364

Because she thinks Phoenix has a nice butt
Image
xxAll credit for my sig goes to Elriel.xx
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

DON'T INTERRUPT ME, JUSTICE!!!

Gender: Female

Location: Southern California

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:44 am

Posts: 1019

That's what she said. ((Sorry, I couldn't resist))


In all seriousness, I'm inclined to agree with Aevitas. Pohenix tends to fly apart when he's emotionally distraught. (I attribute his glaring moment of stupidity in 1-2 to emotional turmoil) Franziska shows a surprising amount of empathy in staying with him and helping him to stay focused on something other than Maya's current situation.
Image (thanks to Vickinator for the awesome sig and avatar.)
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

◕ ◡ ◕

Gender: Male

Location: Georgia

Rank: Decisive Witness

Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:12 am

Posts: 273

Better than Maya always tagging along! :franny:
Re: Did this seem odd to anyone else? *3-5 spoilers*Topic%20Title
User avatar

DON'T INTERRUPT ME, JUSTICE!!!

Gender: Female

Location: Southern California

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:44 am

Posts: 1019

True, Maya has a tendency to get on my nerves a bit, especially when she has her bi-polar and/or kleptomanica moments.
Image (thanks to Vickinator for the awesome sig and avatar.)
Page 1 of 2 [ 53 posts ] 
Go to page 1, 2  Next
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  

 Board index » Phoenix Wright » Defendant's Lobby » Hazakurain (GS3)

Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
Jump to:  
cron
News News Site map Site map SitemapIndex SitemapIndex RSS Feed RSS Feed Channel list Channel list
Powered by phpBB

phpBB SEO