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Marche Tobaye wrote:
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That was in Case 1-5
I hope to see a flashback case, perhaps involving Diego Armando
That was in Case 1-5
I hope to see a flashback case, perhaps involving Diego Armando
Something tells me that's not going to happen.
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"Why would Shelley even WANT to wear them so openly?" What purpose could it possibly serve?
I reckon it's his subtle way of coming out of the closet.
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"Why would Shelley even WANT to wear them so openly?" What purpose could it possibly serve?
I reckon it's his subtle way of coming out of the closet.
Probably, considering he's wearing PEEEEEENK.
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote:
Marche Tobaye wrote:
Coffee Prosecutor wrote:
^
That was in Case 1-5
I hope to see a flashback case, perhaps involving Diego Armando
That was in Case 1-5
I hope to see a flashback case, perhaps involving Diego Armando
Something tells me that's not going to happen.
There is a difference between hope and facts
Your expectations are still very unrealistic.
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OniXera wrote:
Yeah, but we must remember: Edgeworth is a man of intellect. He may be questioning De Killer in the scans simply because he sports the logo ('That's an interesting outfit you have there, where'd you get the idea for it?'), or maybe even because he is just there at the scene and may have witnessed something. He isn't the type that would assume that it was a De Killer wannabe, or even De Killer himself. What professional assassin would be stupid enough to put his only active connection to murders on display?
Yes, it would make a lot of sense for Edgeworth to question him for being a witness. But after all that, why would he NOT assume that a guy sporting the shell design on his person is DeKiller? Like a few had already mentioned, the DeKiller case isn't exactly public knowledge, and the logo is a massive indicator of having a direct connection to the assassin. Surely Edgeworth isn't so stupid as to let a lead like that slip through his fingers?
Agh, I feel like we're going in circles. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I'd facepalm really hard if the whole idea of the guy in pink wearing two shell buttons having something to do with DeKiller at the very least completely goes over Edgeworth's head. And that DeKiller actively sporting his signature logo on his suit in a place packed with police is a pretty ballsy move.
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Nii wrote:
OniXera wrote:
Yeah, but we must remember: Edgeworth is a man of intellect. He may be questioning De Killer in the scans simply because he sports the logo ('That's an interesting outfit you have there, where'd you get the idea for it?'), or maybe even because he is just there at the scene and may have witnessed something. He isn't the type that would assume that it was a De Killer wannabe, or even De Killer himself. What professional assassin would be stupid enough to put his only active connection to murders on display?
Yes, it would make a lot of sense for Edgeworth to question him for being a witness. But after all that, why would he NOT assume that a guy sporting the shell design on his person is DeKiller? Like a few had already mentioned, the DeKiller case isn't exactly public knowledge, and the logo is a massive indicator of having a direct connection to the assassin. Surely Edgeworth isn't so stupid as to let a lead like that slip through his fingers?
Agh, I feel like we're going in circles. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I'd facepalm really hard if the whole idea of the guy in pink wearing two shell buttons having something to do with DeKiller at the very least completely goes over Edgeworth's head. And that DeKiller actively sporting his signature logo on his suit in a place packed with police is a pretty ballsy move.
Well, DeKiller is the definition of ballsy.
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Steel Turnabout wrote:
Well, DeKiller is the definition of ballsy.
True, true.
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I remember in JfA that the police force they chased DeKiller during Engarde's trial and they cornered him in Berry Big Circus.
"Edgeworth is being elected as Attorney General."
Really now? This must be the main cause of his "conflicting emotions".
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Scent wrote:
"No one has seen DeKiller"?
I remember in JfA that the police force they chased DeKiller during Engarde's trial and they cornered him in Berry Big Circus.
I remember in JfA that the police force they chased DeKiller during Engarde's trial and they cornered him in Berry Big Circus.
That reminds me, I wonder if anybody ever watched that video Matt had of him, since it was part of the evidence (well...eventually it was). If that's the case, they should definitely have some idea of what he looks like.
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Scent wrote:
"Edgeworth is being elected as Attorney General."
Really now? This must be the main cause of his "conflicting emotions".
Really now? This must be the main cause of his "conflicting emotions".
Say what?
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote:
Marche Tobaye wrote:
Coffee Prosecutor wrote:
^
That was in Case 1-5
I hope to see a flashback case, perhaps involving Diego Armando
That was in Case 1-5
I hope to see a flashback case, perhaps involving Diego Armando
Something tells me that's not going to happen.
There is a difference between hope and facts
It doesn't make any logical sense for Godot to appear.
But one of the GK writers seemed rather obsessed with him (favourite character) so I don't think it's impossible. Depends if they're going for continuity or self fan service.
The 'ice cream' has got to be some kind of weapon or surveillance device, it's very similar to the 'radio'.
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Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
Wait, what? Who says this game is set 2 years after AAI?
My thoughts exactly. Source please?
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Wait, what? Who says this game is set 2 years after AAI?
''Apparently'' the magazine itself, or a programmer. It was stated before on this topic. Might not be accurate though.....
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Anyway, the one thing I'm going to say is I hope they don't add in a huge thing to Edgey's past like they did in AAI... I mean, I didn't have a problem with it in AAI, but I think having another gase like KG-8 that comes back or whatever in Edgey's past is going to be a little overboard.
I also find it kind of funny that (it seems) they're going to make 2 GK games before they make the next GS game.
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They did the same to DMC2. Controversial, many hated it, so they decide to avoid it, and make every other game a prequel.
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Probably it comes out in May 2011 in Japan and an English version in February 2012.
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Wooster wrote:
OniXera wrote:
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Mmm, If DeKiller had one shell button, then the conjecture everyone has would be pushing it. As it stands, he's got two. No way Edgeworth doesn't know who John Doe really is. Or at least, it's one logic screen away.
Anyways, I'm more curious about DeKiller's ice cream cone. That's a peculiar design.
Also, I hope DeKIller is the victim. That would be amazingly epic. Who Assassinated the Assassin?
Anyways, I'm more curious about DeKiller's ice cream cone. That's a peculiar design.
Also, I hope DeKIller is the victim. That would be amazingly epic. Who Assassinated the Assassin?
I don't get how the number of shells changes anything. Now, if he had a card with his symbol on it on his person, then it wouldn't be pushing it.
Also, I rue the day an Ace Attorney character knows something right off the bat. De Killer will stay as he is on record, a John Doe.
Also...are we sure that's not a snow cone? It is Japan~
Oh, the number of shells does change something.
If it's a single one, then you could 'almost' chalk it up to coincidence.
Two? Something's really fishy.
Prominently displayed on his uniform? Where's the police?
Two prominently displayed on his uniform? Now he's just showing off.
And, unless this is a flash back case, then Edgeworth should know the DeKiller emblem quite well. He was the one to bring it up when he saw Adrian holding that card.
Because no one would ever embroider something twice on their jacket to simply create symmetry, right? That's utterly impossible, isn't it?
I see absolutely no relevance when it comes to how many symbols he has. It is just a shell. You're being very silly, Wooster.
Also, I don't remember De Killer having any major importance when it comes to Edgeworth's life or work life. And it was only brought up once, two games previously in the canon, in a single case (and Edgeworth had evidently researched the case at hand to some kind of degree, given how well he performed in countering Phoenix despite being a replacement for Franziska).
So silly, you are. You all are, it's like Edgeworth is suddenly some super genius or something with a rock solid memory that would expect De Killer to be walking around in the open displaying his identity to the world.
Besides, with his "record", De Killer, if found out, would be arrested on the spot by Gumshoe or another officer. He wouldn't be interrogated out in the open.
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OniXera wrote:
Wooster wrote:
Oh, the number of shells does change something.
If it's a single one, then you could 'almost' chalk it up to coincidence.
Two? Something's really fishy.
Prominently displayed on his uniform? Where's the police?
Two prominently displayed on his uniform? Now he's just showing off.
And, unless this is a flash back case, then Edgeworth should know the DeKiller emblem quite well. He was the one to bring it up when he saw Adrian holding that card.
Because no one would ever embroider something twice on their jacket to simply create symmetry, right? That's utterly impossible, isn't it?
I see absolutely no relevance when it comes to how many symbols he has. It is just a shell. You're being very silly, Wooster.
Also, I don't remember De Killer having any major importance when it comes to Edgeworth's life or work life. And it was only brought up once, two games previously in the canon, in a single case (and Edgeworth had evidently researched the case at hand to some kind of degree, given how well he performed in countering Phoenix despite being a replacement for Franziska).
So silly, you are. You all are, it's like Edgeworth is suddenly some super genius or something with a rock solid memory that would expect De Killer to be walking around in the open displaying his identity to the world.
Besides, with his "record", De Killer, if found out, would be arrested on the spot by Gumshoe or another officer. He wouldn't be interrogated out in the open.
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Yeah, it looks like he was
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That's what I thought too.
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Steel Turnabout wrote:
The Judge wrote:
One similarity is a coincidence. Two similarities are a pattern.
The Jury wrote:
We deemed that the repetition of a single similarity on ones person at that one time does not constitute a pattern.
All it is, is a jacket embroidery on both sides to create symmetry. It's not like he has them on his jacket, and a deck of cards with shell designs on the back. That's more than one similarity to anything linking to De Killer, thus a weak pattern.
But even then I'd deem him to be a man who simply likes his shells and coincidentally created that design (it's not exactly all that unique). Because other than the design of those shells, absolutely nothing else about him points towards him being De Killer. And what was that that the judge said, one similarity is a coincidence?
Now, if we were to say he has those shell designs on him, a murder had just occurred, the culprit hasn't been caught and someone unrelated to the case (but was present) had been kidnapped for unknown reasons...well, that's a pattern reminiscent of De Killer.
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Neni wrote:
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Yeah, it looks like he was
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OniXera wrote:
Wooster wrote:
Oh, the number of shells does change something.
If it's a single one, then you could 'almost' chalk it up to coincidence.
Two? Something's really fishy.
Prominently displayed on his uniform? Where's the police?
Two prominently displayed on his uniform? Now he's just showing off.
And, unless this is a flash back case, then Edgeworth should know the DeKiller emblem quite well. He was the one to bring it up when he saw Adrian holding that card.
If it's a single one, then you could 'almost' chalk it up to coincidence.
Two? Something's really fishy.
Prominently displayed on his uniform? Where's the police?
Two prominently displayed on his uniform? Now he's just showing off.
And, unless this is a flash back case, then Edgeworth should know the DeKiller emblem quite well. He was the one to bring it up when he saw Adrian holding that card.
Because no one would ever embroider something twice on their jacket to simply create symmetry, right? That's utterly impossible, isn't it?
I see absolutely no relevance when it comes to how many symbols he has. It is just a shell. You're being very silly, Wooster.
Also, I don't remember De Killer having any major importance when it comes to Edgeworth's life or work life. And it was only brought up once, two games previously in the canon, in a single case (and Edgeworth had evidently researched the case at hand to some kind of degree, given how well he performed in countering Phoenix despite being a replacement for Franziska).
So silly, you are. You all are, it's like Edgeworth is suddenly some super genius or something with a rock solid memory that would expect De Killer to be walking around in the open displaying his identity to the world.
Besides, with his "record", De Killer, if found out, would be arrested on the spot by Gumshoe or another officer. He wouldn't be interrogated out in the open.
It's just a shell that also happens to be the logo of a wanted assassin. But I also don't get how the number of logos on his person changes things... Just having one of them would be enough to incriminate him, don't you think? What does having two mean? That he's showing off? That's it? If that's all there is then that's not much of a change. It's too mundane.
So OniXera, what are you trying to say exactly? Because I'm starting to get really confused. Are you saying that it's impossible for Edgeworth to identify the man in pink donning the shell logo to be DeKiller because the assassin didn't have a significant impact on his life, because his memory is not rock-solid, and because he couldn't have possibly anticipated DeKiller to walk around with his logo on display? Just to clarify.
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So OniXera, what are you trying to say exactly? Because I'm starting to get really confused. Are you saying that it's impossible for Edgeworth to identify the man in pink donning the shell logo to be DeKiller because the assassin didn't have a significant impact on his life, because his memory is not rock-solid, and because he couldn't have possibly anticipated DeKiller to walk around with his logo on display? Just to clarify.
I think he's saying that even if Edgeworth doesn't recognize de Killer, it doesn't mean it's a contradiction/Edgeworth is dumb or anything. They've never met face to face after all.
I think the pink outfit is some kind of kimono, and the shells are in place of a family crest. Without some other reason to suspect de Killer involvment I think anyone could easily overlook it.
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So OniXera, what are you trying to say exactly? Because I'm starting to get really confused. Are you saying that it's impossible for Edgeworth to identify the man in pink donning the shell logo to be DeKiller because the assassin didn't have a significant impact on his life, because his memory is not rock-solid, and because he couldn't have possibly anticipated DeKiller to walk around with his logo on display? Just to clarify.
I think he's saying that even if Edgeworth doesn't recognize de Killer, it doesn't mean it's a contradiction/Edgeworth is dumb or anything. They've never met face to face after all.
I think the pink outfit is some kind of kimono, and the shells are in place of a family crest. Without some other reason to suspect de Killer involvment I think anyone could easily overlook it.
Oh, but they did meet face to face (I think? Or was that Phoenix?), just that he didn't know who the "butler" in Engarde's house really was. So maybe meeting him again would make him wonder if he met the guy before?
That, and the logo is right there. Two of them, even; just staring at him! I'm hoping that it will evoke some kind of reaction, even just a small "Doesn't that logo/face look familiar?", if not call him out right there, since he was able to identify DeKiller's involvement from a card Adrian was absently toying with in the Engarde case.
Then again, this is Ace Attorney... If the idea goes completely over Edgeworth's head we could always chalk it up to comic relief. =n=;
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