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Anyone else notice that Phoenix used the word "assert" like twice in the trailer/screenshots? I know that has no importance whatsoever, but I don't remember Original Trilogy Phoenix ever using the word in court. Maybe it's a hint that his language (and by extension his behavior) in court will be a little more sophisticated and mature to match his post-AJ character development?

I know that's totally reading into a word, but I just thought it was humorous and then when I thought about it it made sense.

About the voice, it sounds like the guy from Marvel Vs Capcom to me. I was wary of it then, and I still don't love it, but it sounds better than I thought it would and to be fair Ben Judd's voice from the original sounded younger/"weaker" if you really listen to it.

Also, about the PEGI 16 rating...I know it says "provisional", but PEGI 16 is the rough equivalent of an M rating in the US. Usually AA games get Teen. Is PEGI just overestimating until they see the full product or is this one supposed to be more violent than the others? It doesn't seem to be.
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Sven wrote a lot of things in the last post here: http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_capcom/ ... ney-5?pg=2

Interesting things of note:

  • He notes that Capcom's relationship with NOA has been very positive and that the 3DS Monster Hunter game has been on the eShop home page for a while. This suggests that PWDD will likely get the same treatment. Also doesn't close out the possibility of advertising in Nintendo Direct, as MH did.
  • In response to someone talking about Capcom's business model, Sven said "Just keep in mind we haven't shared full details yet. More details will become clear in a few weeks and hopefully the method to our madness will become more clear." Can't wait to see what this madness entails!

And probably the biggest thing:

"We worked very hard to ensure a Western release on this title. If we'd said "no, it's not coming", it would have triggered the inevitable "please bring it to eshop, at least" cries. Instead we shortcutted that and brought it straight to eShop."

Digital-only release isn't the end of the world. They knew what would happen if they didn't take this route.
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Nick's voice lacks conviction. Athena is a real cute/powerful name. I don't get Juniper Woods? Looks like we'll be calling this game "DD" from here om out huh?


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I don't know if it's been mentioned, but (as obvious as this is) the game will be at E3, in playable demo form.

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C'mon, fall, come sooner!

I like the name of the game. I can see why people don't like it, but still.

Nick's English voice...Ehhh. I bet I'll get used to it by the time I play it, but it's not the best for Nick. But it's not bad, either.

I don't like Athena's name. Seriously. I love the Greek mythology reference, but "Athena" just doesn't fit her image. Gaspen Payne...Looks kinda weird, but I can deal with it.

My only gripe with the digital only release is that I don't know how to get games off of the e-shop. TBH, I don't care where I get the game as long as it's legal and I get to play it.
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I hadn't noticed his new voice.

Personally it seems more fitting to a younger attorney like Apollo Justice to me but eh.

As for advertising, Nintendo has advertised e-shop games in it's Nintendo Directs before so it's probably not all devoid of any marketing.


I agree, at first I actually thought it was Apollo's voice. That said there was a lot that I liked about the announcement. I was really surprised by the projected release date since the last few Ace Attorney games took about 9-10 months to come out in the West so I was expecting a Q2 2014 release around April of May. I also expected not to hear anything about a Western release until E3 and am happy that it was announced earlier.
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So much for the LE dream :(
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Lesse...

We have a female character with a moon motif in her design who is going to be starring with Apollo. We should call her... Athena!!

Don't like Nick's new voice.

I hated literally every line that came out of Nick's mouth in that trailer.

And ewwwwwww digital-only.


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Fourthly....Dual Destinies is cheesier than I expected.


Yeah, a million times this. I was hoping they would just stick with calling it Ace Attorney 5, it gets confusing naming it after the protagonist (especially now there is more than one) then 'Ace Attorney' then a subtitle.

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I'm not all too crazy about the digital-only aspect here. Not just for the preference I have for physical copies, but also because this could potentially limit sales for the series further. At least with physical copies you have brand exposure in stores, new and used copies on the shelves for people to see. Unless they market the hell out of it and really push the game I'm afraid it'll just become lost in the rather poorly organized mess that has become the 3DS eShop. Honestly, they should have at least done a small physical run in addition to the digital release, to appease the fans and help expose the brand more.


I'm hoping that the new European e-capcom will maybe stock some kind of limited edition with a physical copy. Would be at a premium price, but they had the RE6 Leon's Jacket Edition for some crazy amount of money so it's not totally outwith the realms of possibility...

Failing that, GS5 LE from Japan and then a digital version of PW:AA-DD to actually play.


I am actually not surprised that Capcom did not go with Ace Attorney 5 because with the exception of Mario Kart I am not aware of any series going from subtitles to roman numerals.
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I think Capcom made the right decision going digital only (for now). They won't have to concern themselves with rom hackers, they'll be able to make a guaranteed profit off the game through the digital market, and it keeps (most) fans happy since it guarantees all PW fans will be able to access the game.

That said, they should do a limited number of physical copies for those asking for it (collectors, etc), but should probably wait until digital sales have reached their minimum. For those complaining, I think it's likely Capcom will stick with digital sales for the Phoenix Wright games. I just wish Nintendo had an account based system so that the system is more reliable.
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Its a shame its a digital only release, I was really hoping for a physical one so it could be my Christmas present but oh well :( At least we're getting this game at all which is something. I'll definitely be getting it.

It said the game is set "8 years after his last appearance in court" - does that mean 8 years after T&T or AJ? Nick was 33 in AJ and 39 in T&T so is Trucy 22 in this game? *is confused:

When Phoenix does the sweat thing, it looks like he's.. drooling :o
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Bad Player wrote:
We have a female character with a moon motif in her design who is going to be starring with Apollo. We should call her... Athena!!


Yeah, it's a really good choice, right?
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Producing carts has a non linear cost curve. Some costs are constant (such as testing) while others get cheaper in bulk (actual printing). Meanwhile the profit per sale remains linear per cart. There will be regions where the equations don't add up to profit.
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Its a shame its a digital only release, I was really hoping for a physical one so it could be my Christmas present but oh well :( At least we're getting this game at all which is something. I'll definitely be getting it.

It said the game is set "8 years after his last appearance in court" - does that mean 8 years after T&T or AJ? Nick was 33 in AJ and 39 in T&T so is Trucy 22 in this game? *is confused:

When Phoenix does the sweat thing, it looks like he's.. drooling :o
I dont like "Mood Matrix" - it sounds so cheesy. What's wrong with "Heart Scope"?


That's 8 years including AJ I'm pretty sure.
Apollo certainly doesn't look like he's aged enough...and neither does Phoenix frankly. I'd expect him to be beginning to grey if he'd went past two big time gaps.

Also "Mood Matrix"....It's alliterative! Like the title! Alliteration is catchy!
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Oops just realised I made a boo-boo there, Nick was 31 in T&T not 39 :D
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Oops just realised I made a boo-boo there, Nick was 31 in T&T not 39 :D


Nick was 24 in the first game, 25 in JFA and 26 in T&T. Seven years later, in AJ, Nick was 33. AA5 is set one year after AJ so he's 34 now.
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Now I confused myself, I thought T&T took place 7 years after PW:AA (the 1st one). My bad :o
Thanks for explaining. He does look youthful still but wouldnt exactly be going grey in his 30's.
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The "DD" subtitle seems more like a pun about 2D than 3D...
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The "DD" subtitle seems more like a pun about 2D than 3D...

It reminds of all those DS references. "Dual" referring to "Dual Screen", so if that's the case, it still works, just a little late to the party.

Also, on Nick's new voice, I'll get used to it, but I'll miss Ben Judd's version. I'm too used to it.
The font looks a little unnatural to me, but it shouldn't be a major issue. And possibly the game's still in development, so things like the font, and this "lack of conviction" in Nick's new voice may change.

As for the English names:
I got so used to "Kokone" that Athena will take a while to, but I'll call her Cykes, because I like it better. :will:
"Juniper Woods" I think this is a great English name to tap into the "nature" image that this character portrays with the sunflowers, pinecones etc.

The references to words "Winced" and "Gasped" are great connectors to use for the Payne bros. :hair-flip: :youngpayne:

EDIT: There appears to be a ruckus on Capcom unity, with people protesting for a cartridge release. I don't know why? I'm perfectly happy we're actually getting this game unlike GK2 and PLvsAA, and digital versions of the games haven't caused me any trouble when buying them in the past.
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Sven wrote:
We worked very hard to ensure a Western release on this title. If we'd said "no, it's not coming", it would have triggered the inevitable "please bring it to eshop, at least" cries. Instead we shortcutted that and brought it straight to eShop.


Sven has hit the nail on the head here.

Maybe it would have been a better move PR wise to say it wasn't coming out at all, wait for everyone to plead for an e-shop release and then Capcom could "cave" and give the people what they want. Then everyone would feel super happy about the digital release that they made happen.
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Jay Mysterio wrote:
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We worked very hard to ensure a Western release on this title. If we'd said "no, it's not coming", it would have triggered the inevitable "please bring it to eshop, at least" cries. Instead we shortcutted that and brought it straight to eShop.


Sven has hit the nail on the head here.

Maybe it would have been a better move PR wise to say it wasn't coming out at all, wait for everyone to plead for an e-shop release and then Capcom could "cave" and give the people what they want. Then everyone would feel super happy about the digital release that they made happen.


I doubt that would have worked. Observant people would have called fowl about it coming out so soon after previously announcing that the game wasn't coming and then Capcom would have definitely looked like evil liars. Of all the other things they've been called out for lately, they don't need another legitimate reason for people to hate them. On the other hand, the eShop only call is a legitimately good decision for Capcom and the future of the series, since they have to make money to continue working on AA. That's business. Unfortunately, there will always be people who won't see the big picture of that decision for various reasons.

Plus, Sven seems to have a really good policy of not outright denying things that have the chance of coming out. For example, from what I recall, he's never said that AAI2 is never coming to the West, only that it wouldn't be coming soon and, if it ever did, it wouldn't be on the DS.
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SuperAj3 wrote:
EDIT: There appears to be a ruckus on Capcom unity, with people protesting for a cartridge release. I don't know why? I'm perfectly happy we're actually getting this game unlike GK2 and PLvsAA, and digital versions of the games haven't caused me any trouble when buying them in the past.

I can understand it, tbh. I'm not particularly comfortable about having to buy it digitally (especially since this game is the only reason I'll be buying the 3DS) since my DS atm has never been well-behaved when it comes to online things. ¬¬ I'll still buy it but gdit, some of us are old fashioned and want the cartridge. :|
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Ah-HEM!
I was afraid the pitches for Phoenix's new shouts would be inconsistent, but (at least from the "Objection!" we've heard) they aren't, so it's bearable. That is all for now.
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But what about people who live in Asia, etc? How are they going to get it? D:

Also, 'Dual Destinies' sounds lame and doesn't fit with the other games.
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I remember reading about this last night, I almost passed out from excitement :)

I like to be short sweet and to the point.

First off, the name, I don't have a huge problem with it, but every time I say it, it sounds like a Yo-Gi-Oh game XD

Second, Phoenix's New Voice, I found it a bit awkward, it seemed like phoenix got older, but his voice sounds...younger...maybe I am just nuts XD

Third and Last, the digital release. I honestly don't care all that much. It would be cool to have that awesome game box, but I am not much of a collector.

In any case, I am really looking forward to this game, glad to see we are going to get it sooner then expected. If only PLVSAA was like this.
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My thoughts on this:

. I LOVE that it's coming out in Autumn. AUTUMN! That's....only 4-5 months away! At least it's not coming out next year, though. We're lucky! :phoenix:
.The name's great! Not the best, but great. 'Dual Destinies' sounds like maybe.. it's talking about Apollo and Phoenix both becoming lawyers or something that will happen to both of them Never mind.
. As soon as I got home from school today and saw the name GASPEN PAYNE I gasped in pain from the badness of the pun. In a good way. I freaking love that name (it's genius!), and Capcom did Winston proud, naming his brother that. :edgy:
I must be overexaggerating on that one
.The other names are alright! Juniper Woods is a good one, with her looking like a tree and all. Maybe Quercus Alba's her grandfather? :pearl:
Athena (the name) isn't bad, but Kokone, though Japanese, was really cool! :maya:
But what I want to know....is the name of the awesome new prosecutor over there. He's super cool! He looks just like the person you most definitely would NOT want to cross. Or face in court, for that matter. :karma:
But....Edgey will ALWAYS be my favourite. As an Edgeworth fangirl I will stay true to him! :edgy:
. I actually like Phoenix's new voice. It makes him sound a lot younger than 34, and it's cool anyway. :phoenix:
. I don't mind about the digital-only thing. I just have to wait until Christmas to get a 3DS! :chinami:

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The "DD" subtitle seems more like a pun about 2D than 3D...

It reminds of all those DS references. "Dual" referring to "Dual Screen", so if that's the case, it still works, just a little late to the party.


Thats what I thought as well.
Has it been confirmed PLvAA is NOT coming to the West? Bummer if so, I dont care if thats download only or not, I just want to play that too.
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My thoughts on this:

. I LOVE that it's coming out in Autumn. AUTUMN! That's....only 4-5 months away! At least it's not coming out next year, though. We're lucky! :phoenix:
.The name's great! Not the best, but great. 'Dual Destinies' sounds like maybe.. it's talking about Apollo and Phoenix both becoming lawyers or something that will happen to both of them Never mind.
. As soon as I got home from school today and saw the name GASPEN PAYNE I gasped in pain from the badness of the pun. In a good way. I freaking love that name (it's genius!), and Capcom did Winston proud, naming his brother that. :edgy:
I must be overexaggerating on that one

.The other names are alright! Juniper Woods is a good one, with her looking like a tree and all. Maybe Quercus Alba's her grandfather? :pearl:
Athena (the name) isn't bad, but Kokone, though Japanese, was really cool! :maya:
But what I want to know....is the name of the awesome new prosecutor over there. He's super cool! He looks just like the person you most definitely would NOT want to cross. Or face in court, for that matter. :karma:
But....Edgey will ALWAYS be my favourite. As an Edgeworth fangirl I will stay true to him! :edgy:
. I actually like Phoenix's new voice. It makes him sound a lot younger than 34, and it's cool anyway. :phoenix:
. I don't mind about the digital-only thing. I just have to wait until Christmas to get a 3DS! :chinami:

..That's all for now!


I only more recently noticed the pun in Winston Payne now that his brother has a pun in his name *shot*
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grim_tales wrote:
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The "DD" subtitle seems more like a pun about 2D than 3D...

It reminds of all those DS references. "Dual" referring to "Dual Screen", so if that's the case, it still works, just a little late to the party.


Thats what I thought as well.
Has it been confirmed PLvAA is NOT coming to the West? Bummer if so, I dont care if thats download only or not, I just want to play that too.


All we know about PL vs. AA is that Level5 is responsible for the Western release. Nothing else is known.
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OK, thanks :)
Level 5 are usually very good at bringing Layton games over here, so we'll see I guess... :o
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OK, thanks :)
Level 5 are usually very good at bringing Layton games over here, so we'll see I guess... :o

Very good but also very late and they only announce them a few months before the release. Also apparently there can't be more than one Layton game per year.
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Actually, it's thanks to Nintendo that we get the Layton game in the west ;)
And we have heard absolutely nothing about PLvsAA. Absolutely nothing. Not even a rumour or anything. So yeah... no news is good news... maybe? I don't know. :yogi:
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Sure I would prefer a cartridge but I have no issues with a digital release in general.

BUT: I would have issues if CAPCOM decided to localize AA:DD into German and I could not get any chance to choose the language myself if and when a digital download in Germany would inevitably lead to a German version.

As I played the previous installments in English and German - believe me, the English localization is sooooooo much better IMO - I DO WANT the possibility to choose. Really, I would prefer an English translation only! Ironically I am aware that there are many other European fans who could be angry about an English translation only and yes, I understand them - not everyone is fluent in English. But nonetheless, please, please let me have the possibility to choose :(
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Oh, so that's how they got the red in there. But corny subtitle makes me ick.

Impressed by the trailer, though. They put in a lot of effort into this game, and I like where it's going. Good thing I waited before getting preorders. As nice as the boxart is (though I don't really care for figures), I'm definitely getting the English localization. I enjoy the little quirkiness and pop-culture references they throw into them that are missing in the original Japanese. I still prefer the Japanese voices, but the English ones are tolerable.

Obvious name puns are so evident. I'm a bit disappointed that they didn't go for the alliteration in Kokone's name, but I suppose "Psyches" works. (Catell actually references an important figure in the history of psychoanalytical law and would totally have fit.) I have to admit, though, that Gaspen Payne is a little bit of genius.

I also like how Athena calls Nick "Boss" instead of "Chief" or just "Mr. Wright". It gives her a bit more informality that I like to see in characters like her. What? Nick is now a boss? What is this world coming to!?

All in all, still psyched for this game and still getting it on day 1. In fact, with a digital release, it makes it easier on me. I don't have to worry about shipping! Excuse me while I roll around with glee until I hurt myself.
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Virginie wrote:
Sure I would prefer a cartridge but I have no issues with a digital release in general.

BUT: I would have issues if CAPCOM decided to localize AA:DD into German and I could not get any chance to choose the language myself if and when a digital download in Germany would inevitably lead to a German version.

As I played the previous installments in English and German - believe me, the English localization is sooooooo much better IMO - I DO WANT the possibility to choose. Really, I would prefer an English translation only! Ironically I am aware that there are many other European fans who could be angry about an English translation only and yes, I understand them - not everyone is fluent in English. But nonetheless, please, please let me have the possibility to choose :(


I doubt they will translate it to German or EFIGS. And if they do just change your country and language in the setting and e.g. use the Irish eShop (it's still €).
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
I also like how Athena calls Nick "Boss" instead of "Chief" or just "Mr. Wright". It gives her a bit more informality that I like to see in characters like her. What? Nick is now a boss? What is this world coming to!?

I hate it. I think they should've gone with "Chief" just as a little reference back to the beginning of the series... I really don't see that being any more or less formal than "Boss".

I also hate Nick's new formal-ish speaking style. Yes, he's older than in the previous games. But he just spent the past eight years as a laid-back hobo. Is that really going to have ZERO effect on his personality?
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
I also like how Athena calls Nick "Boss" instead of "Chief" or just "Mr. Wright". It gives her a bit more informality that I like to see in characters like her. What? Nick is now a boss? What is this world coming to!?

I hate it. I think they should've gone with "Chief" just as a little reference back to the beginning of the series... I really don't see that being any more or less formal than "Boss".

I also hate Nick's new formal-ish speaking style. Yes, he's older than in the previous games. But he just spent the past eight years as a laid-back hobo. Is that really going to have ZERO effect on his personality?

Well, Kokone rarely referred to him as "Chief" anyway in the game demos, unlike Nick who'd call Mia that all the time. It does sound out of place at first, but the terms are easily interchangeable anyway. (Not to mention, she calls his name in katakana like Maya does.)

I don't see how it's any more formal than usual. Besides, he's a law-feeding vampire it's normal to speak a bit more formal in court. He seems to talk to Apollo just as usual during a brief glimpse of the 2nd case in the Nico PV.
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The English objection of PW sucks.
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EDIT: There appears to be a ruckus on Capcom unity, with people protesting for a cartridge release. I don't know why? I'm perfectly happy we're actually getting this game unlike GK2 and PLvsAA, and digital versions of the games haven't caused me any trouble when buying them in the past.

I can understand it, tbh. I'm not particularly comfortable about having to buy it digitally (especially since this game is the only reason I'll be buying the 3DS) since my DS atm has never been well-behaved when it comes to online things. ¬¬ I'll still buy it but gdit, some of us are old fashioned and want the cartridge. :|


I understand. When I could only get Professor Layton 5 on eShop, I was reluctant (very), but I got used to having it right there on my menu page, and got over that reluctancy. Also, the 3DS has a much better internet connectivity than the DS, It's a lot easier to use, and a stronger signal. :will:
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