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They could of just made Phoenix visit America or something if he's the strongest in Japan? Maybe bring up that there are many like the Von Karmas or something.
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In the interview, the developers discuss how the game's theme is a "courtroom revolution"


But wait wasn't Athena supposed to be a...

GS6 can easily to do DD what DD did to AJ.

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I can see though on why Phoenix needed to get away from Japan/Japanifornia, considering the whole cast for the series in itself was becoming too bloated for it's own good, even more so if these new characters were to mingle with the previous ones from AA5. In some essence though I feel tremendously bad for both Apollo and Trucy, since they have unresolved issues with their Gramarye heritage and, of course, their mother's whereabouts.

The sad part is that they cut the cast down just fine in Apollo Justice, and the only reason it got so bloated is because they brought back Nick and added Athena in DD. All they needed to do to cut the cast down for GS6 is send Athena and Blackquill back to America/Germany/whatever, bring Maya in for one case (and maybe Pearl in the same case if they want), and then Klavier or Edgey (just one) for one case. Then we're back to the core AJ group of Polly, Nick, and Trucy--maybe with Ema and Thalassa. Copying Shu Takumi and shipping Nick off to a foreign country just seems like a lazy way out.

Anyway, since we're going to an international country, I wonder if we'll meet Franzy and/or Lang, considering they were (and might still be) working with Interpol.
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That Judge looks so boss.


I did NOT think they could top DGS's Judge design... but they DID.
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Blizdi wrote:
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That Judge looks so boss.


I did NOT think they could top DGS's Judge design... but they DID.

Nothing tops Judge from London in PLvPWAA though.
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linkenski wrote:
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That Judge looks so boss.


I did NOT think they could top DGS's Judge design... but they DID.

Nothing tops Judge from London in PLvPWAA though.


Ew. That guy is my second least favorite Judge design, in front of HD Trilogy judge
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Nah, my only complain was that he was a tad too Layton-esque, but I loved his posh round look and his english VA.

Another thing: I hope this game will have a linear plot-structure. AAI and DD were the same non-linear structures and both were kind of meh plot-wise but AAI2 is widely regarded to have the best cohesive plot in the series.
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Ugh, this Phoenix guy again?

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"In the interview, the developers discuss how the game's theme is a "courtroom revolution" "

They didn't learn anything from DD. *facepalm* -- Welcome to Dark Age of Law fiasco 2.0
More like every game since AJ has had a "dark age" / foreign legal system scenario. At least in DGS (afaik) the foreign legal system isn't something that's seen as needing to be fixed, and in AAI1 it's basically just one dude abusing international law.

The information on this game makes it hard for me to take it seriously (whatever "seriously" means for Ace Attorney), and Phoenix's murder face just compounds this impression. That said, I had a similar reaction to Sherlock Holmes and Natsume Souseki when they were revealed and I got used to it. So we'll see how this goes.
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I don't think it's Zeng Fa, that's the land of the phoenix, is it not? This place seems to have a different reoccurring motif. Some sort of butterfly? Now, where have we seen that motif?

Cohdopia, then? There could be decent connections with the plot from the AAI finale.
But even if it isn't, it still warrants either Maya's return, the Gramarye reunion, or both.
Also, the concept of the Big Bad reveal twist should be kept fresh, but how? Any opinions on that?
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Ugh, this Phoenix guy again?

Apollo is what the people want.


Theoretically I agree, but I wasn't too fond of how they wrote his character in DD anyway, so as for myself I'm probably better off without it while continuing to nourish a naïve dream about a return of the AJ-Apollo.
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I don't think it's Zeng Fa, that's the land of the phoenix, is it not? This place seems to have a different reoccurring motif. Some sort of butterfly? Now, where have we seen that motif?

Cohdopia, then? There could be decent connections with the plot from the AAI finale.
But even if it isn't, it still warrants either Maya's return, the Gramarye reunion, or both.
Also, the concept of the Big Bad reveal twist should be kept fresh, but how? Any opinions on that?


I just hope the big bad isn't another Quercus Alba that can get away with everything because he has some kind of immunity in this country.

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Another thing: I hope this game will have a linear plot-structure. AAI and DD were the same non-linear structures and both were kind of meh plot-wise but AAI2 is widely regarded to have the best cohesive plot in the series.

They game apparently starts off with Phoenix defending his tour guide because he finds something wrong with the courts in this place, so it's probably linear. Besides, it'd be extremely hard to write a non-linear plot for a game like this. It'd be very weird for the players to see a completely new system in the first case if the characters are already familiar with it.
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So she is going to be a "key person", eh.

The more we get into this, the more I am starting to suspect that she truly is the certain someone we been waiting for, for a good while now.

Hahaha, no. She's a completely new character and acts nothing like Maya. If anything, she talks more like Edgeworth. I'd say she'd fit as the primary antagonist. Perhaps she is the town's oracle?

She definitely looks like someone who have a greater authority over the judge/law itself. It would be great if she is an antagonist..final boss style. Been a while since we got a female final boss(Dahlia).


I too would love this. Seeing how tied to Fey culture/mysticism the whole Dhalia story was. If it feels like a retread of T&T, Iaintevenmad.jpg
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At the moment, my mood is definitely 'cautiously optimistic'. I was super hyped for DD, and that ended up disappointing me, but I like the feel of this one. Gyakuten Kenji 2, while not perfect, showed that Yamazaki can direct a good AA game, and that came after the not-so-good AAI, so this could be a parallel to that. It certainly seems as if they are learning from the mistakes of DD, although I am wary that Apollo and Athena won't be featured at all. I prefer Phoenix, but we've gone too far for those two to be shafted into the background, and Phoenix has certainly had his run.

The theme of the game is a bit overused in the Ace Attorney saga, but the new setting and odd courtroom system seems like a good fit for it, although a bit too similar to PLvsAA.

I think that Maya will return, but the potential for this new character excites me more. I seriously hope she's some kind of oracle whose spell on the town Phoenix has to break. Anyway, cautiously optimistic it is (until we see more in a few days, at least). This has the potential to go both ways, and that in itself is quite exciting for me.
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Dunno. I'm not really seeing much improvement yet and it's hard to count on anything since Yamazaki's improvment has not been consistent. AAI was about as bad plot-wise as DD and AAI2 was good but it had the same awkward and overly drab dialogue from AAI as does even DD to some extent.
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I am happy that this game is getting confirmed for the west and I think the traveling to another country makes sense.

But couldn't Nick just bring Apollo with him? (they would leave Trucy and Athena to take care of the office and make sure the toilets are clean) I mean I love Nick I really really do, but as we have seen he has become a mentor figure in DD so it would be weird now to have the mentor/boss guy to completely lose his subordinates. (Also I really just want more Apollo!)
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Also, the concept of the Big Bad reveal twist should be kept fresh, but how? Any opinions on that?

Well... the only outstanding characteristic of the setting we have at the moment is the high level of spirituality in it. So, maybe a final villain who is dead? Yet, the last time we had a major villain like that was done pretty darn well, so the bar for that is set quite high.

And if that's simply a false lead in the end, we might as well take the obvious route that a high oracle may be corrupt. I highly doubt the girl we see here is the final boss, though. If she's the supposed "key person" of this game, most of the plot will circle around her, so it'd be too obvious if it turns out she's the one behind everything after all.

I'm sensing a classic heel-face turn from her. All the ladies who are mean to Nick at first and don't become evil come to like him. It's basically tradition. Phoenix harem expands.
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Uh... Did I miss something? When did so many people start hating on DD? If I remember correctly, the main complaint was the ease and case 2. Brrggh. Case 2. But I remember people complimenting case 3 of DD, which is pretty much the only great case 3 in the series apart from GK2, though I can't speak for DGS. I remember enjoying the story.
Spoiler: Case 5
It had some amazing character development, Simon Blackquill and ROBOTS!!!!
Case 5 felt urgent and was I think one of the very few moments when I let out a tear:
Spoiler: Case 5
When Solomon was talking about how Athena was still trying to smile, even though she couldn't, even in prison.
Plus, did I mention Simon Blackquill?
Spoiler: Case 6
And case 6 had one of the most sincere villains.


So what happened? Why's everyone against DD all of a sudden?
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Also, the concept of the Big Bad reveal twist should be kept fresh, but how? Any opinions on that?

Well... the only outstanding characteristic of the setting we have at the moment is the high level of spirituality in it. So, maybe a final villain who is dead? Yet, the last time we had a major villain like that was done pretty darn well, so the bar for that is set quite high.

And if that's simply a false lead in the end, we might as well take the obvious route that a high oracle may be corrupt. I highly doubt the girl we see here is the final boss, though. If she's the supposed "key person" of this game, most of the plot will circle around her, so it'd be too obvious if it turns out she's the one behind everything after all.

I'm sensing a classic heel-face turn from her. All the ladies who are mean to Nick at first and don't become evil come to like him. It's basically tradition. Phoenix harem expands.

But Oldbag was mean to Nick in 1-3 and still hated his guts in 2-4! Are you claiming that she's become evil!?

But yeah, I think that girl is going to be on Nick's side in the end. She might even be the final defendant or something.

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Uh... Did I miss something? When did so many people start hating on DD? If I remember correctly, the main complaint was the ease and case 2. Brrggh. Case 2. But I remember people complimenting case 3 of DD, which is pretty much the only great case 3 in the series apart from GK2, though I can't speak for DGS. I remember enjoying the story. It had some amazing character development, Simon Blackquill and
Spoiler: Case 5
ROBOTS
!!!! Case 5 felt urgent and was I think one of the very few moments when I let out a tear:
Spoiler: Case 5
When Solomon was talking about how Athena was still trying to smile, even though she couldn't, even in prison.
Plus, did I mention Simon Blackquill? And case 6 had
Spoiler: Case 6
one of the most sincere villains.


So what happened? Why's everyone against DD all of a sudden?


Not everyone is against DD. The game is pretty much a base breaker, just like AJ. And for the looks of it, GS6 is going to be another one.

We're a very divided fandom.
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As for trials themselves, as previously shown, the courtroom has a large “water mirror” which plays a part in a new system they’re keeping under wraps. The magazine also seems to suggest there may be other small changes from the usual courtroom antics. This new system will be playable at TGS 2015. What's more, during the interview Yamazaki explains that in this country, there are prosecutors, but no defense attorneys - defendants must use a "certain object" to defend themselves.


Wat.

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In the interview, the developers discuss how the game's theme is a "courtroom revolution" and how they felt Phoenix was in a position where he didn't really have anyone who could match up to him in Japan, so that was part of the reason they moved him into the wider world.


So...they put him in a country... where the prosecution... has never had to deal... with an actual rival.

Is that supposed to be a compliment to Phoenix in any way? Also, didn't they just decide he was green again in DD? Does this mean they consider him legendary now? Do these people pay attention to anything they write?

Well, the game so far looks interesting, but I hope they clarify some things soon.
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As for trials themselves, as previously shown, the courtroom has a large “water mirror” which plays a part in a new system they’re keeping under wraps. The magazine also seems to suggest there may be other small changes from the usual courtroom antics. This new system will be playable at TGS 2015. What's more, during the interview Yamazaki explains that in this country, there are prosecutors, but no defense attorneys - defendants must use a "certain object" to defend themselves.


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In the interview, the developers discuss how the game's theme is a "courtroom revolution" and how they felt Phoenix was in a position where he didn't really have anyone who could match up to him in Japan, so that was part of the reason they moved him into the wider world.


So...they put him in a country... where the prosecution... has never had to deal... with an actual rival.

Is that supposed to be a compliment to Phoenix in any way? Also, didn't they just decide he was green again in DD? Does this mean they consider him legendary now? Do these people pay attention to anything they write?

Well, the game so far looks interesting, but I hope they clarify some things soon.



He was never green in Dual Destinies... In fact he was much much more confident in Trials than in the trilogy.

Phoenix: Well, "little boy" prepare to be trounced by my years of experience.
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Nymeria wrote:
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As for trials themselves, as previously shown, the courtroom has a large “water mirror” which plays a part in a new system they’re keeping under wraps. The magazine also seems to suggest there may be other small changes from the usual courtroom antics. This new system will be playable at TGS 2015. What's more, during the interview Yamazaki explains that in this country, there are prosecutors, but no defense attorneys - defendants must use a "certain object" to defend themselves.


Wat.

Magatama. I'm pretty sure he means the Magatama.
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In the interview, the developers discuss how the game's theme is a "courtroom revolution" and how they felt Phoenix was in a position where he didn't really have anyone who could match up to him in Japan, so that was part of the reason they moved him into the wider world.


So...they put him in a country... where the prosecution... has never had to deal... with an actual rival.

Is that supposed to be a compliment to Phoenix in any way? Also, didn't they just decide he was green again in DD? Does this mean they consider him legendary now? Do these people pay attention to anything they write?

Well, the game so far looks interesting, but I hope they clarify some things soon.



He was never green in Dual Destinies... In fact he was much much more confident in Trials than in the trilogy.

Phoenix: Well, "little boy" prepare to be trounced by my years of experience.


Is that before or after he called Edgeworth "Daddy," and sweat his way through pretty much every trial he was in?

I won't deny he had his moments, but there was some definite regressing.


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As for trials themselves, as previously shown, the courtroom has a large “water mirror” which plays a part in a new system they’re keeping under wraps. The magazine also seems to suggest there may be other small changes from the usual courtroom antics. This new system will be playable at TGS 2015. What's more, during the interview Yamazaki explains that in this country, there are prosecutors, but no defense attorneys - defendants must use a "certain object" to defend themselves.


Wat.

Magatama. I'm pretty sure he means the Magatama.


This Magatama had better have some wicked powers.
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Wat.

Magatama. I'm pretty sure he means the Magatama.


This Magatama had better have some wicked powers.

Well, I mean Phoenix uses it outside of courts. Even if the Magatama has the same powers we know, a group of spectical (is that the word?) spirit mediums are going to believe that it can solve all their problems, even though as case 2-4 shows, it doesn't. But it's interesting to speculate about, that's for sure.
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AA7 will feature Nick traveling to Greece and taking cases on Mount Olympus. Prosecutor will be the God of Law
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AA7 will feature Nick traveling to Greece and taking cases on Mount Olympus. Prosecutor will be the God of Law

I'll be honest. I would play that.
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This Magatama had better have some wicked powers.

Well, I mean Phoenix uses it outside of courts. Even if the Magatama has the same powers we know, a group of spectical (is that the word?) spirit mediums are going to believe that it can solve all their problems, even though as case 2-4 shows, it doesn't. But it's interesting to speculate about, that's for sure.

We shouldn't assume the Magatama they have on just about every person works the same way as the one Nick has. Not only is it differently shaped, but Nick's is charged with spiritual energy Pearl gathered for him. It may be different if these new Magatama are charged differently, so to speak. I do have the feeling that the Water Mirror they have has something to do with those things as well.

But wow, how nice for the Tibetian court to provide Nick with a defense bench even though the court never uses that side anyway. Do prosecutors basically shout curses (of various sorts) at the defendant and leave everything up to this vague entity known as Fate? Are they actually being judged by Lord Enma in the end?
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So, uh, what kind of people are going to be judged?
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AA7 will feature Nick traveling to Greece and taking cases on Mount Olympus. Prosecutor will be the God of Law

So, uh, what kind of people are going to be judged?

The Titans?
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It's a comparison of Dual Destinies Phoenix and AA6's phoenix. Is it me or does AA6's phoenix have more realistic proportions?
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It's a comparison of Dual Destinies Phoenix and AA6's phoenix. Is it me or does AA6's phoenix have more realistic proportions?

It's not you. The model is better. And Phoenix's hair grew out. Yippee-yay.
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Is that supposed to be a compliment to Phoenix in any way? Also, didn't they just decide he was green again in DD? Does this mean they consider him legendary now? Do these people pay attention to anything they write?

Well, the game so far looks interesting, but I hope they clarify some things soon.



He was never green in Dual Destinies... In fact he was much much more confident in Trials than in the trilogy.

Phoenix: Well, "little boy" prepare to be trounced by my years of experience.


Is that before or after he called Edgeworth "Daddy," and sweat his way through pretty much every trial he was in?

I won't deny he had his moments, but there was some definite regressing.


Everybody still called him a legendary attorney and treated him as so, so any apparent greenness was most likely Rule of Funny getting out of hand and not the intention of the writers.
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Something about Phoenix is bugging me...I can't tell what it is, but I have a feeling it has something to do with the apparent fact of a new artist. The DD model for Phoenix and this new one are different somehow...I just can't put my finger on where...Is it the eyebrows? The mouth? Nose? Eyes? I dunno...maybe the skintone? It's slightly lighter, it seems.

EDIT: I just found that comparison video posted earlier in the thread.

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There is a clear difference in the eyebrows and the proportions in general. Cool. Looks better. Much better.
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But I remember people complimenting case 3 of DD, which is pretty much the only great case 3 in the series apart from GK2, though I can't speak for DGS.

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Ah, the Steel Samurai case... like the scent of fresh AWESOMENESS, y'see...

Seriously, while the third cases in AA 2-4 and AAI (financial problems still prevent me from playing anything after AAI2) were nothing short of heavily veering towards filler-ish with a few dashes of pompousness (to say the very leastest ever xD), case 1-3 was the first one that really caught me off-guard. Since it was also the first case in which the exact murderer wasn't outright shown in the intro, I'll leave you to ponder how massive my IQ must be, but I hold 1-3 in very high esteem, because it not only unfolded the key details remarkably well, but it also introduced us to anything and everything important and dear aside from the DL-6 case and Mia's consequent murder. For me, it was the first true taste of Ace Attorney. :phoenix:

BTW, case 2-3 was quite charming in its relative oddity, as it presented us not only with dumb luck possibilities like the cape sticking, but also with a completely sympathetic killer and the first true question of morality in all of AA. :hobohodo:
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It's amazing how silly this game series becomes though with every single entry into it, starting with Spirit Mediums first, and then incorporating Yokai, robots, time travel(AA4) and of course defending animals, along with the whole premise of PWvsPL.
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A small correction - a sentence I translated as "defendants must use a 'certain object' to defend themselves" is more accurately along the lines of "courts in this country function without attorneys thanks to the existence of a 'certain thing'". The implicit meaning is similar, but there is a difference. Updating the original post.
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It's amazing how silly this game series becomes though with every single entry into it, starting with Spirit Mediums first, and then incorporating Yokai, robots, time travel(AA4) and of course defending animals, along with the whole premise of PWvsPL.


I agree with you, but I think PWvsPL had a very strong potential with witch trials and inquisitors... they have poorly developed the plot, especially the ending
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with the pure-black-colored machines and the sleeping pure silver


Spirit mediums have been part of the series from the very beginning (Mia, Maya and the whole Fey clan)... or are you referring to something else?
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Calios wrote:
It's amazing how silly this game series becomes though with every single entry into it, starting with Spirit Mediums first, and then incorporating Yokai, robots, time travel(AA4) and of course defending animals, along with the whole premise of PWvsPL.

Yeah, I mean, with the premise of PLvPWAA you can sort of excuse it because it's a crossover. It has to make things weird in order to work, but yeah, holy hell this franchise has come... far, I guess, since 2001. Also just looking at the style. Try comparing Nick from 2001 to the current portrayal too.

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So...they put him in a country... where the prosecution... has never had to deal... with an actual rival.

Is that supposed to be a compliment to Phoenix in any way? Also, didn't they just decide he was green again in DD? Does this mean they consider him legendary now? Do these people pay attention to anything they write?

Well, the game so far looks interesting, but I hope they clarify some things soon.

The challenge doesn't come from the prosecutor, it's from being in an entirely new system with rules he's entirely unfamiliar with and, if the current theories about the mysterious not Maya woman are anything to go by, consistently changing rules that will probably screw the defense over more often than not.

Also, no, he was never green in DD. He played the mentor role more than he did in AJ. People just expected Phoenix to suddenly turn into the guy who knows everything in Dual Destinies because he figured out one case where he already had good reason to suspect the murderer at the start of AJ, and couldn't risk showing any sign of surprise lest he give his hand away. He's very much more experienced and far more trial ready than his original trilogy self in DD.
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