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Last month, Capcom announced Dual Destinies, the next title in the Ace Attorney franchise, would be released in North America as a downloadable only title this fall. At the time, Capcom said the reason for the lack of boxed product was because "historically it's been tough to attract long term retail support for Ace Attorney titles."
Eshiro said the digital-only release was due largely in part to the game's development schedule.
"The reason we are releasing the game as digital only is not primarily due to a lack of retail support," he said in a recent interview. "One of the main reasons we went for a digital version is it wil be more convenient for the users. We felt that if someone will be interested in Dual Destinies they will want to get it right away, and if we offer a digital version, instead of going to a store however many miles away, they can just download it directly to their 3DS."
Eshiro said the digital-only release was due largely in part to the game's development schedule.
"The reason we are releasing the game as digital only is not primarily due to a lack of retail support," he said in a recent interview. "One of the main reasons we went for a digital version is it wil be more convenient for the users. We felt that if someone will be interested in Dual Destinies they will want to get it right away, and if we offer a digital version, instead of going to a store however many miles away, they can just download it directly to their 3DS."
He also says a physical release is still possible:
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Eshiro added that if there if fans push hard for a physical release, Capcom will consider releasing a physical boxed version of Ace Attorney — Dual Destinies.
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The real reason for the digital only release is understandable and it's good to hear that it wasn't just because people weren't buying the main series.
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Either way, fuck Capcom
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Sebastian Stark wrote:
To arms, folks - if we gotta push, let's keep pushing 'til the walls collapse!
But as ashxu practically said, people who buy the digital version might be able to get a physical release possible, but why bother getting it then? Unless they made, like, changes to the game for the physical version but that'd be dumb and a kick in the face of the fans. (Hear that, Namdai, with your constant Updated Re-releases of games you JUST brought out!?)
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And having someone say "we may yet do a retail release" is just putting a knife in the back of the sales of the digital version, ESPECIALLY when 1. So many people want one and 2. they've put such ridiculous expectations on the sales of the digital version.
I think an argument could be made that some folks will buy one, then the other, just because they'd rather have the physical copy and bought the digital one first. But you really just fragment your fan/customer base again, just like when they announced "this is digital only".
Capcom is in dire need of some new management.
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CatMuto wrote:
Sebastian Stark wrote:
To arms, folks - if we gotta push, let's keep pushing 'til the walls collapse!
But as ashxu practically said, people who buy the digital version might be able to get a physical release possible, but why bother getting it then? Unless they made, like, changes to the game for the physical version but that'd be dumb and a kick in the face of the fans. (Hear that, Namdai, with your constant Updated Re-releases of games you JUST brought out!?)
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It's Capcom, which means in 8 months suddenly "ULTIMATE PHOENIX WRIGHT: ACE ATTORNEY DUAL DESTINIES" will be released physically with a new courtroom stage and two new
In all seriousness, Eshiro's statements at e3 have really showed that no matter what is going on here, the issues behind AA localization are much more complex than Capcom has been making it seem. Eshiro's statements don't quite make sense to me, and it might be a situation of developers being told more "humane" reasons for something being done, rather than the colder financial reasons we've all heard. Or maybe Eshiro is correct about these which would mean Capcom is not making good decisions.
Also, if the digital-only thing couldn't have been to "speed up the process of localization". Big name games get worldwide (or around the same) releases in many different languages and are on physical. It doesn't make sense.
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ADA McCoy wrote:
Also, if the digital-only thing couldn't have been to "speed up the process of localization". Big name games get worldwide (or around the same) releases in many different languages and are on physical. It doesn't make sense.
It does make sense, because as you said they're "big name games". For most games it's completely normal that the translated/localized version is only available several months after the original version.
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Also isn't one of the main reasons DDs aren't as cheap as they could because of the pressure from retailers?
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Lusankya wrote:
ADA McCoy wrote:
Also, if the digital-only thing couldn't have been to "speed up the process of localization". Big name games get worldwide (or around the same) releases in many different languages and are on physical. It doesn't make sense.
It does make sense, because as you said they're "big name games". For most games it's completely normal that the translated/localized version is only available several months after the original version.
That is true. But I feel like it doesn't make sense for Capcom to "speed up the process" of localization by going digitally. There's always been about 9 months or so between the US and Japanese releases, and this game is coming only 1-5 months after the Japanese release, which means its possible to do all that in that time period. If it really was all about speeding up the localization they still could have done a physical release.
Personally, I think Eshiro just isn't the person to talk to about this stuff. The reasons he's giving doesn't make much sense, but that's ok because he's not in charge of Localization or Capcom USA. He's a developer/producer for the original game, and is probably reiterating what was told to him by Capcom about a situation that isn't affecting him or his original products in any way.
The only way I imagine that we get a physical release is if this does MASSIVELY well, in which case most fans would already have it and Capcom would say "Well, it looks like the physical release of GS5 didn't do very well. I guess GS6 is digital-only."
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We want physical release!
Digital only! If Digital does SUPER good we'll do a physical ...fineDigital does super good
Release Physical
Everyone already bought digital
No one buys physical
Physical didn't sell well, Digital only from now on!It's like we just can't win...
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TheRedPriest wrote:
:phoenix: We want physical release!
Digital only!
If Digital does SUPER good we'll do a physical
...fine
Digital does super good
Release Physical
Everyone already bought digital
No one buys physical
Physical didn't sell well, Digital only from now on!
It's like we just can't win...
Digital only! If Digital does SUPER good we'll do a physical ...fineDigital does super good
Release Physical
Everyone already bought digital
No one buys physical
Physical didn't sell well, Digital only from now on!It's like we just can't win...
I think they need some competition. Court Records should create a game company to produce "Pelican Orange: Limitless Litigator", a game in which the lawyer protagonist has to face off in court against an evil corporation which is taking advantage of it's consumers. As Pelican unravels the mysteries, he finds the truth he is seeking - but will he like it? Add in an extra case about the company's "Project Mega Man", a government contract to create another "Mega Man" prototype which so far has been missing.
In all seriousness, I would say that no one should get their hopes up about a Physical release. The way Capcom has treated the series at this point doesn't match release a physical product at some time in the future. I think Eshiro just wasn't allowed/didn't want to just say flat out "no".
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I can appreciate to an extent the lag time between Japan and America, but why not just do something like Super Luigi U, where a limited edition box set comes out like a month afterwards. If money's not the issue here, then I don't understand why they're completely skipping over a physical release.
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I know it's been said for a lot of years, but in a sense they are a bit right (Steam, PStore, Xbox live, google play, ishopp). Just sad that it's not their fault if the nintendo system isn't perfect... and that nintendo consumers do not download their game on those console.
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TheRedPriest wrote:
As a general rule I don't download my games on ANY platform, because I utterly detest digital. I've made a scant 6 or 7 exceptions to that rule since it all started. Digital distribution my be inevitable for the future, but I won't be participating in the hobby anymore by then. So I'll enjoy my physical releases to the bitter end.
I know longer mind digital on PC [many places are DRM free and Steam's prices make up for the lost disc] but on the console market I am not pleased with how it has been happening. I will still buy DD digitally since its the only way to get it [and I think the real reason it is digital IS sales, not "scheduling" or "convenience", so I'm trying to show the franchise is profitable] but it's disappointing.
No disrespect to Eshiro, [Because I'm pretty sure he's just saying what Capcom told him or wants him to say] but I think we should only take real stock in his comments about the content of the game itself, rather than the business/localization stuff, because Sven's reasons add up more than his do.
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(Steam, PStore, Xbox live, google play, ishopp).
Never. Okay I downloaded one game from PSN (Final Fantasy VII) and I deleted that months ago. Never. Nope. I don't even know what that one is.
Maybe digital is the way of future gaming, I hope not, I like my physical copies, but they shouldn't expect that to really pay off in the long run. And definitely not take it as a standard on what to do with their next games. I mean, I'm sure I'm not the only gamer who hates digitally downloading her games. (I didn't mind installing Final Fantasy XIII-2 onto my 360 Harddrive, but that was for the sake of cutting down on loading time)
TheRedPriest wrote:
We want physical release! Digital only! If Digital does SUPER good we'll do a physical ...fineDigital does super good
Release Physical
Everyone already bought digital
No one buys physical
Physical didn't sell well, Digital only from now on!And I can totally see that will happen. Actually, I'm pretty sure that will happen. I doubt people who bought the digital version, just so the physical version will come out, will buy the physical version because.... hey, they already have the game and probably finished it once or twice by the time the physical version came out! Capcom are freaking geniuses!!
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and officially pissed.
Maybe they did have a tight schedule
or it was because of the sales.
I seriously don't mind if you release a digital only
But if you put me into the situation with chances of getting ripped off.
Then screw this..
I dont know what to do
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Gyakuten$aiban wrote:
Ace Attorney-related or not, I'd prefer if you didn't post news that you knew would only cause people to call Capcom horrible things.
Yes, how dare someone post news on a fansite they mod at. It is a travesty. [/sarcasm]
Seriously, if this is the way the attitude of the forums is going we might have to discuss measures to counter it.
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Gyakuten$aiban wrote:
Ace Attorney-related or not, I'd prefer if you didn't post news that you knew would only cause people to call Capcom horrible things.
With all due respect, it's not all (or mostly) undeserved. Capcom HAS done some rather, shall we say, crappy things in the last few years. And while you can never please all of the people all of the time, Capcom has proven you can certainly piss off a lot of the people a lot of the time. Can some of us get a little... excited in venting our frustration, displeasure or disgust? Sure. Personally I know I can get quite excited sometimes, but I try to not get into flat out disrespect and attack. It's really quite silly to say what you said there.
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I think it's just showcases the sad state of the Ace Attorney fandom, and gamers in general.
I miss the good old days.
I miss the good old days.
It's partly due to how easy the internet makes communication and interaction and partly due to how, in Capcom's case specifically, the company has really changed dramatically over the last half decade+ with some very questionable and consumer/fan unfriendly business practices/decisions. I don't think fans are really any better or worse than we were in say, the NES days, it's just easier TO complain and easier for us to SEE each other complain.
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Percei wrote:
I think it's just showcases the sad state of the Ace Attorney fandom, and gamers in general.
I miss the good old days.
I miss the good old days.
There is no such thing as "the good old days."
I have no idea what Gyakuten$aiban is talking about (unless he's talking about someone else), as Blademaster_Orca wasn't being malicious in his post in any way, and I never got the impression he wanted to get people riled up for the purpose of ripping on Capcom. So please don't lump the rest of the forum in with one upset poster who seems to have gotten the wrong idea about someone else's thread.
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I think people's feelings with Capcom get complicated by some of their PR issues. I for one was never angry at Capcom for not releasing AAI2, because their financial explanation made sense, as much as we might not like it. I was never angry at Capcom-Unity or Svenn for not confirming any plans for AAI2, because as a business you can never outright say "We will never bring this product over ever." I'm not angry at Mr. Eshiro for explaining his view on the situation. And I would assume most people don't hate Capcom or even feel angry about their practices.
What is aggravating about the recent comments from Eshiro revolve around the fact that they are challenging the previous explanations for why things happened the way they did. In regards to AAI2, we've always heard about it being the poor sales of AAI that caused it not to come over, but he said it was simply "scheduling", something that not only makes less logical sense than financial reasons but also seems like they don't really care about the franchise. I honestly think Financial reasons had more to do with it, but the lack of a reoccuring, solid reason for why it happened starts to make it very difficult to predict what we can do to help the series come over.
More aggravating is his comment about "A Physical release is still possible if fans show support to Capcom" because as far as I can tell fans have been doing that in any way they can. It also implies that it might be released down the road, making the people who went out and bought the digital version have to rebuy it if they want the security of a cartridge. Because of this, some who might have purchased the digital copy might try to hold out for a physical one, which when combined with the people who have decided its better to not buy GS5 at all will mean the sales of GS5 will be dismal. And if it turns out Capcom never releases a physical copy, then they might decide GS5 didn't sell well enough to prompt the localization of GS6,7,etc.
I understood Capcom USA's explanations for why they were doing the things they were doing, and even thought I was disappointed by the lack of a Physical release it wasn't that big of a deal. I'm going to go get the digital version the minute its released. But these new explanations do not make sense financially, and will only go to make people think something will happen (when it likely won't). Mr. Eshiro isn't involved in the American Business side (to my knowledge) and was most likely trying to answer the questions as honestly and best he could. But Capcom should have either clarified "Actually, there is not chance of a physical release at this time" or if there is a real chance should have been open about that.
Basically, Capcom has a communication problem, and I think that is where most of the criticism stems from.
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Gyakuten$aiban wrote:
Ace Attorney-related or not, I'd prefer if you didn't post news that you knew would only cause people to call Capcom horrible things.
The purpose of my post wasn't to rile up the forum or lean anyone against Capcom, I simply passed along the news I've found during E3. I apologize if it seemed malicious in any way, but that was certainly not my intention.
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That's what I'm referring to.
I don't think the whole fandom is guilty of it at all, it's just disappointing because it makes the entirety of the fandom look bad and there's a shocking amount of supporters for this "boycott".
Nor am I against a physical release. I will say this, my endgame is to have the 5th Ace Attorney game, to the degree that I'm going to drop money on a 3DS specifically for the purpose of buying Dual Destines. I think the fans who are raising such hell about it really can't see the wood for the trees.
That's all.
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