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Author: | Bolt Storm [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
"Never forget - even a Great Detective tells lies..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6oclCrPyNo Subs will be added later tonight. (Or if anyone wants to translate now, I won't be able to add them for a few hours, so... ) If you want to go in blind, this is probably a good time to dive, since the trailer hits at least four of the cases. |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
*dives in* Sorry guys, but that's as far as I'm going to see for now. 4 cases is just a little too much for me. |
Author: | JaakuFrost [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
Okay, hello everyone! I'm not going to translate the voiced lines since I suppose Bolt's already have that covered, but I really wanted to take a crack at the text - for my own interest mostly - so here they are! (Disclaimer: there were some lines I wasn't very sure on, partly due to my ability and partly due to the lack of context. Sorry if I made some mistakes!) Spoiler: |
Author: | Cesar Zero [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
Woah, a lot of stuff on this trailer, especially at the end... for example, why is the mysterious man besides Barok in court?! I knew they would be related somehow, but that was not what I expected at all.... |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
Subs have been added! Stuff in brackets is the text flying across the screen, not the stuff in the gameplay clips. |
Author: | Meowzy [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
Thanks so much for the subtitles! I'm super excited and quite a few questions are being raised here. 1) Iris mentioned it would've been nice to call Greggy over, implying that she can't. That strikes me as ominous foreshadowing. 2) The doctor woman mentions she's supposed to investigate, not reach a conclusion. I wonder if she's a forensic investigator or something. Vortex also mentions scientific investigations. 3) "I can't just watch from afar this time", this line from Holmes bugs me as well, because when has he watched from afar before? Does it have to do with Watson? 4) Did they basically confirm the journalist from case 1 is important? Was he perhaps trying to get the truth from Jezail about Watson's death? (because Hosonaga is also questioning Jezail's motives in a screenshot) 5) The fancy juror lady seems to be threatening Mieterman with her umbrella and if that's not fishy, nothing is. 6) THAT MASKED GUY.... |
Author: | Ash [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:55 am ] |
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Meowzy wrote: 3) "I can't just watch from afar this time", this line from Holmes bugs me as well, because when has he watched from afar before? Does it have to do with Watson? I don't have time to check all of the lines, but that's not what Holmes said. Bolt probably couldn't make out the line because of the music, but Holmes says 「僕はね、今こう祈らずにいられないのです。今度ばかりは僕の推理が外れてくれ、とね」 / "Right now, I can only pray for one thing. That for once, my deductions turn out to be incorrect." |
Author: | Meowzy [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:23 am ] |
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Oh, I see what happened there. Japanese sure is a difficult language, sometimes. Okay, that makes Holmes far less suspicious. |
Author: | Manecleis [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:56 am ] |
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Meowzy wrote: 5) The fancy juror lady seems to be threatening Mieterman with her umbrella and if that's not fishy, nothing is. I mean, even the fact that she's showing up at the witness stand in the first place is suspicious, right? And if we're going to talk about Holmes, then I've found him "weird" since when I realized how not-stupid he really is (case 2 basically shows he's way smarter than he makes himself be, in my opinion). |
Author: | Meowzy [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:59 am ] |
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Manecleis wrote: Meowzy wrote: 5) The fancy juror lady seems to be threatening Mieterman with her umbrella and if that's not fishy, nothing is. I mean, even the fact that she's showing up at the witness stand in the first place is suspicious, right? Oh definitely, but applying violent pressure to another witness when you yourself are supposed to 'judge' the case? That reeks. It's true though that none of the other jurors who've acted as semi-witnesses with important information stepped down from their own seats. |
Author: | Manecleis [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:14 am ] |
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Meowzy wrote: Oh definitely, but applying violent pressure to another witness when you yourself are supposed to 'judge' the case? That reeks. It's true though that none of the other jurors who've acted as semi-witnesses with important information stepped down from their own seats. Yeah, she seems like an obvious suspect at this point. Though I'd like to see how the case go if Spoiler: DGS1-4 |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:16 am ] |
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Manecleis wrote: Yeah, she seems like an obvious suspect at this point. Though I'd like to see how the case go if Spoiler: DGS1-4 Spoiler: |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
Ash wrote: Meowzy wrote: 3) "I can't just watch from afar this time", this line from Holmes bugs me as well, because when has he watched from afar before? Does it have to do with Watson? I don't have time to check all of the lines, but that's not what Holmes said. Bolt probably couldn't make out the line because of the music, but Holmes says 「僕はね、今こう祈らずにいられないのです。今度ばかりは僕の推理が外れてくれ、とね」 / "Right now, I can only pray for one thing. That for once, my deductions turn out to be incorrect." Guh. In my defense, I was translating at the end of a 14-hour workday. At least I managed to get the actual sentence right... I just added something that wasn't there at all. Thanks for the correction as always Ash. |
Author: | JaakuFrost [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
Actually, I think there's another one that was (understandably) misinterpreted? I had to listen to this particular line with my headphones to see if I myself heard right or not, but Iris's voiced dialogue starting at 1:48 sounds more like 「うう~ん、見たいよね、インチキ臭い実験!」[roughly: "Mmmm, I want to see some super-fishy experiments!"] |
Author: | Dowolf [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
various notes/thoughts. feel free to ignore. Spoiler: |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
Thank you all for the suggestions/corrections - I put these together in the hour or so I had between getting back from work and having to get to sleep, so I understand they aren't in great shape yet, especially from a flow/phrasing perspective. I wasn't really happy with them myself but they got the job done. I'll try to fix them up tonight, but I'm sorry if I let people down with them. |
Author: | Mechashadow [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:49 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Answers? |
Author: | henke37 [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
Meowzy wrote: 3) "I can't just watch from afar this time", this line from Holmes bugs me as well, because when has he watched from afar before? Does it have to do with Watson? I know this is disproven as a bad translation already, but it would make a lot of sense for him to say it if my theory is correct. Spoiler: The hound of Baskerville & DGS 5 |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
Dowolf wrote: various notes/thoughts. feel free to ignore. Spoiler: Just wanted to respond to these since you took the time to write them up! I went ahead and added responses in the quote. Thanks again! |
Author: | Dowolf [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
Quote: Yeah, I've been waffling all over the place on this one. Obviously Oriental is too broad, but Jap carries such a sharp context these days I worried about people misunderstanding its use here. Ultimately I added a long comment to the YT video about the issue, in part because I feel it's a good chance to remind people that DGS portrays racism negatively and that's not what's blocking it from coming over. Just to talk shop about this for a moment here, I think it's really important to preserve that sense of racism because it plays into a lot of the game's major themes. The real question is: is Jap the correct word to use to convey that racism? While the word did actually exist in the late 19th century, it didn't take on its modern connotations until WWII. Of course, we aren't writing for a 19th-century audience; we're writing for a modern audience, and we know the reaction the modern audience will take to our word choice. But it still feels a bit inauthentic... I wonder how regular authors deal with words like "negro" and "gay" in period pieces, words whose meaning and connotation have similarly shifted. |
Author: | Meowzy [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
So what was the term they used more commonly back then? Is it Oriental after all, or something else? |
Author: | Dowolf [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
No idea. There may not have even been a standard epithet. |
Author: | whitecow602 [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
It's clear who the masked prosecutor is, because he is: Spoiler: |
Author: | Lusankya [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
whitecow602 wrote: It's clear who the masked prosecutor is, because he is: Spoiler: Seems really obvious, so I guess these scenes take place in the past? |
Author: | whitecow602 [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 - Launch Trailer |
Lusankya wrote: whitecow602 wrote: It's clear who the masked prosecutor is, because he is: Spoiler: Seems really obvious, so I guess these scenes take place in the past? Spoiler: |
Author: | Meowzy [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:13 pm ] |
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I'm still thinking Spoiler: |
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