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Or, "A foolishly foolish fool who is foolishly deluded into thinking that he is not being foolishly foolish for a client" if you'd prefer. :franny:

It might just be me, but I think I would enjoy another, "represent yourself", in GS5. I think it can be a nice dramatic tool when applied lightly, and considering it will be four games and a different protagonist, I think they could get away with using it again.
Not to mention there are a few things that I think that could be explored with this that weren't in game one. Like cross-examining yourself (it makes more sense then a parrot), and better yet, finding a contradiction in your own testimony. Or becasue Polly was arested at the start of the investiagtion, Trucy does it, and I think her investgative style would be much more whimical then Apollo's or Nick's. :minuki:

I donno, it just seems like it would be something that would be fun to play, and would have that mix of drama and humor that seems to be working for the series, but that just might be me... :yuusaku:
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Nick represented himself in GS1-2 didn't he? He didn't need to cross examine himself or let someone else take over his investigation...I don't see how things would play out the way you envision them. :yuusaku:
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Saying things and then proving what you said was wrong a minute later is a pretty clear sign of schizophrenia :P

But Apollo having to defend himself is a good possibility.
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Saying things and then proving what you said was wrong a minute later is a pretty clear sign of schizophrenia :P

But Apollo having to defend himself is a good possibility.


xD Schizophrenia has a 1000 symptoms to it it would just mean theres a little mistake that you realise.
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Apollo defending himself would be good, I think.
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I wouldn't mind seeing it because I was surprised when they had Phoenix do so very early in the series. It seemed like one of those things that should have had more impact, but they couldn't get into it because it was already part of Maya's case, so there wasn't time.

What if after the first day of court Apollo's client is murdered and he becomes the suspect?
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Nick represented himself in GS1-2 didn't he? He didn't need to cross examine himself or let someone else take over his investigation...I don't see how things would play out the way you envision them. :yuusaku:

Aye, but that was one of my points, Nick got arrested at the very end of the final investigation day, so there was no need to continue investigating. And by that time he had already solved the case and the real murderer was taking the stand before he had to (plus he didn't really see anything, so he had nothing to testify about). The idea is because it was an early case of game 1 some of the odd/kinda goofy stuff that could have come along with representing yourself didn't in favor of a what would become a regular type of case. And as Croik said, it was more finishing off Maya's case, so it didn't really have the impact of it being your own neck on the line that it could have.

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What if after the first day of court Apollo's client is murdered and he becomes the suspect?

That also seems like a good idea, as you then wouldn't have to just get yourself out of the charges, but you'd also have to try to clear your late client's good name, and it has lots of potential for angst drama along the way. Like where it looks like you are going to have to incriminate one of you, or it looks like the trial will be over before you can clear one name or the other or something like that.
Of course, naturally because of someone rushing in at the last minute you'd be able to clear both of your names, but shh don't spoil it for everyone.
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Would you really have to clear your late clients name? I mean...what would be the point... :yuusaku:
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You feel like you owe them, or what not. You feel like it would be disrespectful to let them just be remembered for a murder they didn't commit. *shrug* People have different ideas about what the dead deserve, and considering we've seen proof that in the series the spirit lives on after you die, it would be a nice thing to clear their name. Reguardless of how Apollo treats his dead client, it says alot about his character. I'm not quite sure I know Apollo well enough to say if he'd care enough to risk incriminating himself over the memory of a dead person, or even feel bad doing the opposite, but it seems like he'd at least want to clear them. But it might just be me.
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What if after the first day of court Apollo's client is murdered and he becomes the suspect?


So how exactly are you supposed to investigate the crime, whilst being held in detention? (Since if Apollo's the suspect, the police aren't exactly going to let him roam the city, are they?)
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What if after the first day of court Apollo's client is murdered and he becomes the suspect?


So how exactly are you supposed to investigate the crime, whilst being held in detention? (Since if Apollo's the suspect, the police aren't exactly going to let him roam the city, are they?)


Yet another excuse for Phoenix to become playable? :yuusaku:
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I'd just be glad if Apollo has a client he can actually talk to before the trial. XD

At least he can talk to himself! *shot*
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I'd just be glad if Apollo has a client he can actually talk to before the trial. XD

At least he can talk to himself! *shot*

:gant-clap2: Thats rich well said!
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NinjaMonkey wrote:
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What if after the first day of court Apollo's client is murdered and he becomes the suspect?


So how exactly are you supposed to investigate the crime, whilst being held in detention? (Since if Apollo's the suspect, the police aren't exactly going to let him roam the city, are they?)


Maybe they could issue him a police escort. Handcuff him to Ema and let them investigate together! :keiko:

It would make for an interesting moral dilemma for Apollo akin to Phoenix's decision in 2-4: would you pin the blame on your dead client in order to save your neck? Or would you risk your life to find the truth and get the real villain?
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Croik wrote:
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What if after the first day of court Apollo's client is murdered and he becomes the suspect?


So how exactly are you supposed to investigate the crime, whilst being held in detention? (Since if Apollo's the suspect, the police aren't exactly going to let him roam the city, are they?)


Maybe they could issue him a police escort. Handcuff him to Ema and let them investigate together! :keiko:

It would make for an interesting moral dilemma for Apollo akin to Phoenix's decision in 2-4: would you pin the blame on your dead client in order to save your neck? Or would you risk your life to find the truth and get the real villain?

But...

How could you pin your client's death on him/herself?
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Well someone killed the original victim. Maybe it was murder-suicide?
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I think the whole investigation problem could be fixed by just having Polly represent himself in the first case :keiko:
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I really like this idea, actually. I think it would be more interesting if Apollo was already somewhat involved in the case (making him THE most likely suspect after his client's death). If that were the case, it would also lend to some of the missing background story.
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I'll be horrified if it turns out we've accidentally pre-empted a storyline in the next AJ but thats not that likely :garyuu:
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Phoenix is murdered and Apollo is accused. This gives Polly his time to shine.
Trucy and Ema (who the player will control) go to investigate and report to Apollo (in the detention centre) at the end of the investigation.

I kind of like this idea, except for Phoenix dying. Maybe he can just go abroad to get out the way.
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Phoenix is murdered and Apollo is accused. This gives Polly his time to shine.
Trucy and Ema (who the player will control) go to investigate and report to Apollo (in the detention centre) at the end of the investigation.

I kind of like this idea, except for Phoenix dying. Maybe he can just go abroad to get out the way.


It's his office...why do people want to somehow get rid of Phoenix, I like his "wise Master Phoenix" role, it would've worked in the first one if they hadn't made him so mainstream.
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It's his office...why do people want to somehow get rid of Phoenix, I like his "wise Master Phoenix" role, it would've worked in the first one if they hadn't made him so mainstream.


A wise master that runs on grape juice :phoenix:

I like this idea, but the game always makes it a Not Guilty. So no need to worry :keiko:
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SteveMalcolm wrote:
Phoenix is murdered and Apollo is accused. This gives Polly his time to shine.
Trucy and Ema (who the player will control) go to investigate and report to Apollo (in the detention centre) at the end of the investigation.

I kind of like this idea, except for Phoenix dying. Maybe he can just go abroad to get out the way.


Nick doesn't have to leave does he? Like..at all? They just don't need to make him shine so much. He can be like a consultant, waiting at the Office and you can show evidence to him for an opinion thats all.
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I'm not sure. Naruhobo is a character in his own right. Killing him off is like killing off any other character - sure to piss off some fans.
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If we must have a fool for a client, let it be Larry!D :
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What about a case in GS5 where the victim doesnt actually exsist, or a suicide case where someone else is framed for it?
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i think we already had enuf fools as clients O.O. but yea apollo should have a fool for a client, i mean like a grown man acting a bit stupid or like a total kid
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