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Oh yeah, that too :D
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
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don't know why....I just hate him. Prison him and rock n roll baby :gant:


While I hate him too, but he has far too many fans. They won't risk it.

but godot has many fans to.
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but godot has many fans to.


True, but Godot's fate was sealed when capcoms script monkies got to work on the plot, his popularity was something that happened after they released the game. Considering the way some people reacted with fierce aversion to HoboNick, I can't see Capcom trying to annoy the fanbase much further. GS5's new villain is going to be someone new to the series like Kirstoph. Although they're quite good at pulling surprise twists. If I hadn't spoiled myself before playing JFA I probabbly wouldn't have caught out Matt le Phsyco Engarde. So we could get another surprise like that or a compilation of previous villains for the finale.
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If any villain is someone actually returning from the PW era, it would most likely be in the last case. Ever. Of the whole series. That would be a good ending.

In fact, time for my theory.

A villain being someone returning from the PW era, Apollo taking them down by himself, and Phoenix getting his badge back and starting over, leaving Apollo to let him run his own cases Like 3-5! would probably be a good ending to satisfy both Apollo fans and Phoenix fans.
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Well, awesome theories aside, I'm willing to bet that it will be a new character. Like in GS3, it's gonna be a character that's new to the series, but intertwines with the past of the main character. So it will be something to do with Apollo. They'll probably explain his past, and maybe the ultimate villain will be...

Spoiler: ......
A bully from Apollo's orphanage turned mass murderer? An ex girlfriend? His father?


Or maybe... oh crud. I thought of another long theory.

Spoiler: This is guaranteed to make :odoroki: fans cry.
Apollo HIMSELF is murdered, the case is taken by Wright. And... SHOK HORRA, the murderer is VALANT, who doesn't think Apollo was worthy of the Gramarye name, and so succumbed to his inner demon and MURDERED HIM!!!!!

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Kristoph Damon Engarde. The most evil serial killer/mastermind on the planet.
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Kristoph Damon von Engarde. The most evil serial killer/mastermind on the planet.

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Kristoph Damon von Engarde. The most evil serial killer/mastermind on the planet.

Fix'd

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Maybe the thing on Kristoph's hand is much more than a simple scar. What's the story behind that scar anyway? He was a defense attorney, not a butcher. Dunno, what if the "devl" is Dahlia? Lol, crazy I know.
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Rain Faraday wrote:
Maybe the thing on Kristoph's hand is much more than a simple scar. What's the story behind that scar anyway? He was a defense attorney, not a butcher.

He was attacked by the true killer in a case that Kristoph won. :darke:

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Dunno, what if the "devil" is Dahlia? Lol, crazy I know.

Yes. Very crazy. :nick:
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LARRY!!!! :larry: OMFG
No.
Frankly we don't have any "professional" and "official" proof that the game exists, so while a prosecutor might be fine, I think this is a bit early.
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BlackJack wrote:
Kristoph Damon von Engarde-Hawthorne. The most evil serial killer/mastermind on the planet.

Fix'd.

I think it'll be Iris. She may have inherited her sister's gift of acting...
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Dunno, what if the "devil" is Dahlia? Lol, crazy I know.


Yes. Very crazy.

Well, maybe she's Lilith!
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The Red Dahlia wrote:
BlackJack wrote:
Kristoph Damon von Engarde-Hawthorne. The most evil serial killer/mastermind on the planet.
Fix'd.

He kills them by hitting them over the head with his massive nametag! :beef:

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I think it'll be Iris. She may have inherited her sister's gift of acting...

If so, she not only inherited the acting skills. She far surpassed her. :that-b-word: :ayame:

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Dunno, what if the "devil" is Dahlia? Lol, crazy I know.

Yes. Very crazy.

Well, maybe she's Lilith!

Like on NGE? :yuusaku:
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Frankly we don't have any "professional" and "official" proof that the game exists


We know 100% that it's going to exist. The proof is that Capcom's said "hey, we're making one", which is pretty solid proof.

What we don't know is when it will, or anything else about the game for that matter.

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Apollo HIMSELF is murdered, the case is taken by Wright. And... SHOK HORRA, the murderer is VALANT, who doesn't think Apollo was worthy of the Gramarye name, and so succumbed to his inner demon and MURDERED HIM!!!!!
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Idea of Apollo as a victim is good [Someone we wouldn't expect], concept of this plot is rather flimsy tbh. Apollo isn't inheriting the Gramarye name even if for some bizzare reason ApolloxTrucy is canon [Trucy would get Apollo's name] and even if he did Apollo expresses little to no interest in magic throughout the game, so I don't know why the hell Valant would care that his niece married a non-Magician. Third and most obviously, Valant isn't that much of a von Karma, and besides, he's haunted enough over what he did seven years ago. There's no way he'd do it again.


So yeah, not to be rude...but work on that one.
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Rain Faraday wrote:
Dunno, what if the "devl" is Dahlia? Lol, crazy I know.


I wouldn't be too sure of that being a crazy idea. Name me one person who's eyes glow white when the're pissed. :chinami:
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Johnny Rotan wrote:
Rain Faraday wrote:
Dunno, what if the "devl" is Dahlia? Lol, crazy I know.


I wouldn't be too sure of that being a crazy idea. Name me one person who's eyes glow white when the're pissed. :chinami:

That sort of reasoning holds little water in the Ace Attorney world. All kids of crazy animations exist. :yogi:

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Phoenix will be the final villain.
Whoever said nothing was impossible obviously never tried to close a revolving door.
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It will be Satan.

Then Apollo and Klavier will have to defeat him in a rock-off. Tenacious D style! :odo-objection: + :rock'n: = :zennybw:
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BlackJack wrote:
It will be Satan.

Then Apollo and Klavier will have to defeat him in a rock-off. Tenacious D style! :odo-objection: + :rock'n: = :zennybw:

I'm with this theory. :phoenix:
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BlackJack wrote:
It will be Satan.

Then Apollo and Klavier will have to defeat him in a rock-off. Tenacious D style! :odo-objection: + :rock'n: = :zennybw:

I'm with this theory. :phoenix:

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Maybe something unexpected even to the criminal? Like maybe someone could kill someone but not actually know they killed them (has anyone seen the Uninvited?). Then while on trial they could be accused, however, they would be denying it because they would truly not think they did it.
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Maybe something unexpected even to the criminal? Like maybe someone could kill someone but not actually know they killed them (has anyone seen the Uninvited?). Then while on trial they could be accused, however, they would be denying it because they would truly not think they did it.

Interesting. And how can Apollo perceive an honest lie? And if they truly believe they are innocent, they won't have Psyche-Locks for Nick to find.
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Frankly we don't have any "professional" and "official" proof that the game exists


We know 100% that it's going to exist. The proof is that Capcom's said "hey, we're making one", which is pretty solid proof.

What we don't know is when it will, or anything else about the game for that matter.

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Apollo HIMSELF is murdered, the case is taken by Wright. And... SHOK HORRA, the murderer is VALANT, who doesn't think Apollo was worthy of the Gramarye name, and so succumbed to his inner demon and MURDERED HIM!!!!!


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Idea of Apollo as a victim is good [Someone we wouldn't expect], concept of this plot is rather flimsy tbh. Apollo isn't inheriting the Gramarye name even if for some bizzare reason ApolloxTrucy is canon [Trucy would get Apollo's name] and even if he did Apollo expresses little to no interest in magic throughout the game, so I don't know why the hell Valant would care that his niece married a non-Magician. Third and most obviously, Valant isn't that much of a von Karma, and besides, he's haunted enough over what he did seven years ago. There's no way he'd do it again.


So yeah, not to be rude...but work on that one.[/quote]
I mean press release sort of thing...
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I mean press release sort of thing...

Actually, yeah. Capcom has released at a convention (I can't remember which one, though.... :hoboright: ), that there was going to be a GS5.

Although there was no further info, so they must still be in pre-planning.

But heck, they've released a new AA game every year since 2005! Why wouldn't they continue?
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I think Apollo's dad should show up in GS5, but then "get away" and be the final villain in GS6. Epic~

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I think Apollo's dad should show up in GS5, but then "get away" and be the final villain in GS6. Epic~

That is about the definition of epic right there.

AND HIS DAD IS REDD WHITE!! :bling-bling:
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Maybe something unexpected even to the criminal? Like maybe someone could kill someone but not actually know they killed them (has anyone seen the Uninvited?). Then while on trial they could be accused, however, they would be denying it because they would truly not think they did it.


Very interesting idea, and also what BlackJack said about Psyche Locks.
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In 2-4 I know Matt wasnt innocent but initially, he didnt have psyche locks either.

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prosecutor™ wrote:
Maybe something unexpected even to the criminal? Like maybe someone could kill someone but not actually know they killed them (has anyone seen the Uninvited?). Then while on trial they could be accused, however, they would be denying it because they would truly not think they did it.


Very interesting idea, and also what BlackJack said about Psyche Locks.
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In 2-4 I know Matt wasnt innocent but initially, he didnt have psyche locks either.

Because he didn't lie. :think:

Phoenix asked "Did you kill Juan Corrida?"

Matt answered "I didn't kill anyone."

And he didn't. De Killer did.
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Indeed. That was what was clever. Matt was in fact telling the truth. To the letter.
But I thought the psyche locks exposed someones secrets not they were lying per se.
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There`s nothing to perceive if they are not lying.


I think there should be an incredibly cute looking 13 year old boy, but it turns out he murdered Trucy or Apollo. I would rather Apollo died, but anyhow. But once they try to get him to testify, he can either:

1. Control his tension levels (maybe in the first testimony he gives, he can show Apollo who`s in charge by being really tense and therefore making the bracelet squeeze his wrist so hard they have to amputate his wrist. Apollo is hospitalized, and Phoenix becomes the defense attorney.

2. Just be completely emotionless. Have him have only one sprite during every testimony, during everything until the end, where the truth is revealed. He can be sadistic and cruel, like Matt Engarde at the end of 2-4, except constantly evil.
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Vandworth.
Or Gant. I had a wierd idea recently...
It's Apollo's era, when there turns out to be an unsolveable case on their hands, they travel to a High Security Prison to ask Damon Gant to help, who would be 74 by then, even so, they work along side Gant, who helps them via the phone in prison.
Then it turns out HE'S The murderer.
If only it made sense. xD
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As The Objector said, what about a criminal who is completely emotionless, has no nervous ticks at all. This will make it harder for Apollo to percieve.
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The Objector wrote:
There`s nothing to perceive if they are not lying.


I think there should be an incredibly cute looking 13 year old boy, but it turns out he murdered Trucy or Apollo. I would rather Apollo died, but anyhow. But once they try to get him to testify, he can either:

1. Control his tension levels (maybe in the first testimony he gives, he can show Apollo who`s in charge by being really tense and therefore making the bracelet squeeze his wrist so hard they have to amputate his wrist. Apollo is hospitalized, and Phoenix becomes the defense attorney.

2. Just be completely emotionless. Have him have only one sprite during every testimony, during everything until the end, where the truth is revealed. He can be sadistic and cruel, like Matt Engarde at the end of 2-4, except constantly evil.

I like this idea alot besides the Apollo or Trucy getting killed part. I think a child murderer would be very interesting. No one ever thinks the kids do it !
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You mean someone like Machi would be the murderer?
Interesting... at some point in 2-2 I thought Pearls did it and was the killer :(
I thought you meant the murderer kills/attacks children for a second there - that may be a bit adult for AA.
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Gant, who is Apollo's father. :gant:
And that's why the old chars didn't appear in GS4. They were erased by the Gantstapo.
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Spoiler: GK mild Spoilers. :o
The NEXT Yatsagurasu. OwO

AND He wil have an Evil laugh breakdown. Not a sprite, but a Screenshot.
Wouldn't that be awesome?
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You mean someone like Machi would be the murderer?
Interesting... at some point in 2-2 I thought Pearls did it and was the killer :(
I thought you meant the murderer kills/attacks children for a second there - that may be a bit adult for AA.

Yea someone around Machi's age. Not too young though. Maybe 13-17? I think that would be an interesting storyline. But the character would have to be clever. Maybe a witty younger Edgeworth type :edgeworth:
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I think there should be an incredibly cute looking 13 year old boy, but it turns out he murdered Trucy or Apollo. I would rather Apollo died, but anyhow. But once they try to get him to testify, he can either

His name would HAVE to be Damian in the localization, then. :damon:

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1. Control his tension levels (maybe in the first testimony he gives, he can show Apollo who`s in charge by being really tense and therefore making the bracelet squeeze his wrist so hard they have to amputate his wrist. Apollo is hospitalized, and Phoenix becomes the defense attorney.

Well, first off, said killer-child should have no idea about how the bracelet works. Second, this is just lame. Amputate his hand? No.

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2. Just be completely emotionless. Have him have only one sprite during every testimony, during everything until the end, where the truth is revealed. He can be sadistic and cruel, like Matt Engarde at the end of 2-4, except constantly evil.

This is a better idea, but near emotionlessness would make a "cute 13-year-old boy" look suspicious.
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