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[PyWright] Turnabout of the Golden Witch (Complete)Topic%20Title
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An Ace Attorney x Umineko no Naku Koro ni fancase on the PyWright casemaker.


I've pretty much only lurked these forums in the past, but I've enjoyed some of the content the wonderful creative folks here have produced over the years. Hopefully there will be some interest here as well for an admittedly niche premise. While crossovers typically don't do it for me, the idea of Beatrice and Battler squaring off in a court room was too fun for me not to pursue. No promises about how well it worked out, of course!

The case is completed and can be downloaded here: https://xak.itch.io/turnabout-of-the-golden-witch

More details on the project page, but just want to reiterate here: the case could be considered to have light spoilers for episode 2 of Umineko. If you are familiar with the red and blue truths, you should be fine. It might not be as enjoyable if you're not already familiar with the two main characters, though! Also, if you have not finished Umineko, do not read the "prologue" PDF. It is optional, but has potential spoilers for all of Umineko.

Apologies in advance for any bugs or hiccups. I've noted one on the project page, and recently some players have stumbled on a rare one where sprites stop showing up onscreen. The latter is fixable with a reset/reload from an older save file, and is unfortunately a known bug with this version of PyWright. Sorry about that.

Thanks for reading, and if you decide to check out the game, I hope you enjoy it!
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Just started playing this case, and I must say it's a very solid case, with good mystery and good characters, especially Battler and Beatrice, they don't feel OOC at all. However, I feel a bit stupid, because I just got stuck on Hawkeye's second testimony.

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Namely, the one with the culprit hiding. My theory is, that the culprit was in Hall E, and while Hawkeye was checking Hall C or D, they slipped into Hall A, where he waited until the patrol got away. But of course it would have been quite a risky plan, after all, the culprit couldn't know beforehand, that Hawkeye checked ever hall once. However, I have no better idea, and tried presenting the floor plans multiple plans without success. Am I on the right track(just trying wiuth wrong evidence), or the soulution is something totally different. In which case, I would be grateful for a little hint, since I'm really stuck here.


Thanks in advance.
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Yeah, that bit is certainly tricky... Here's a hint:

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Your theory definitely has merit - but nothing Hawkeye is saying can be directly contradicted, as you may have noticed. He's just stating the facts of his search for now. So if you can't present evidence, all you can do is press him. I'm sure you've already tried pressing every statement, though... That being the case, what's the only thing left that you can change up about how you press him?


I can give a more explicit hint too, if you'd like. I do slightly regret putting that annoying bit in so early in the case, but I had to gate the player at the triple testimony so that they'd be able to freely press around through the different testimonies :payne:
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Looks great! I really loved Umineko, but I forgot a lot about it. I think I'm going to go through the VN once again before trying your case...

See you in one month! :will:

(I'm joking. Downloading your fangame right now)
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Thanks for the hint, I was finally able to crack the testimony.(And yes, it was a bit evil, but still logical, so I think there's nothing wrong with it.) Also, just reached
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Luther's new testimony, and I must say, I'm very impressed so far. I also really liked the "Tetris" contradiction, I had to think about it for a good few minutes, so it wasn't easy, but still not too hard, just the perfect balance. It was very clever too. And yes, a locked room mystery, it really feels like Umineko now. :redd: :redd:


All in all, I think that so far it's a very solid case, and I can recommend it to anyone :will: Can't wait to play through the rest of the case. So, back to testmony cracking :godot:

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Big thumbs up for using dancing pipe multiple times. :will: it's one of the best OST of Umineko, so it's quite disappointing, that you can only hear it once there, but it seems you fixed this problem here. :godot:
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KirbyWright wrote:
Looks great! I really loved Umineko, but I forgot a lot about it. I think I'm going to go through the VN once again before trying your case...

See you in one month! :will:

(I'm joking. Downloading your fangame right now)


Shouldn't need more than a familiarity with Umineko, really. Hope you enjoy it!


Doma998 wrote:
Thanks for the hint, I was finally able to crack the testimony.(And yes, it was a bit evil, but still logical, so I think there's nothing wrong with it.) Also, just reached
Spoiler:
Luther's new testimony, and I must say, I'm very impressed so far. I also really liked the "Tetris" contradiction, I had to think about it for a good few minutes, so it wasn't easy, but still not too hard, just the perfect balance. It was very clever too. And yes, a locked room mystery, it really feels like Umineko now. :redd: :redd:


All in all, I think that so far it's a very solid case, and I can recommend it to anyone :will: Can't wait to play through the rest of the case. So, back to testmony cracking :godot:

PS:
Spoiler:
Big thumbs up for using dancing pipe multiple times. :will: it's one of the best OST of Umineko, so it's quite disappointing, that you can only hear it once there, but it seems you fixed this problem here. :godot:


Good job getting past it - should be smoother sailing from there.

Glad you're enjoying it so far! Getting to use the umi OST is a big perk of the setting, of course :)
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...I wrote a gigantic review, accidentally logged out, and lost it. That will teach me to write these things in here. I'll try again another time. In the meantime, this is an excellent first case from Xak. The presentation is wonderful and the pacing is excellent. There are some definite logic fixes that are worth adding, though, and some puzzles could use revision.

EDIT: Full spoiler-free review, shortened significantly from my lost draft:

A Beautiful Chessboard with a Few Missing Pieces

As Raymond Chandler once observed, an old-school mystery author will often find that when characters behave in the way the plot demands, they stop acting like believable human beings. The sound novel Umineko no Naku Koro ni dives deep into this problem: are mystery novel characters just pieces in a chess game? Should they be?

Xak's Umineko/Ace Attorney crossover Turnabout of the Golden Witch toys with this problem a little, but ultimately comes down on the side of the chess game. I suspect that Xak set the action early in the Umineko canon (around the end of the second episode or so) precisely because, at that point, the duel between reader and author was still relatively untouched by emotional complications. While this case occasionally suggests the possibility of caring for the characters, Xak doesn't emphasize this. They are pieces. This is a mystery puzzle, first and foremost, a chess match against a playful trickster, delivered with style.

And what style! Graphically, Turnabout of the Golden Witch deploys new interface screens, cleanly drawn maps, custom prosecutor and defense sprites, and all of the presentational tricks one would expect of a top-tier fancase. All of these bits of polish go far in selling the cackling melodrama of Witch's Chess. One logic duel sequence feels like the best interactive version of an Umineko logic duel I've seen; I don't think it has the best logic, but the presentation sells it so well that it doesn't need to. That this is Xak's first released case is impressive.

The pacing, too, is excellent, with one or two exceptions. Xak is to be commended for keeping the game's ambition manageable. There is no investigation, just a trial that methodically moves from one question to the next. Rather than overcomplicate the plot with crazy twists (though some surprises exist, of course), Xak delivers a mystery that does not rely on stupefying the player with dozens of meaningless revelations. Puzzles are introduced with flair, solved, then settled before they overstay their welcome.

Does this case have weaknesses? Yes, at least in the version I played. Xak relies too much on multi-evidence presents. Combined with a few cross-examinations where some reasonable alternative presentations are not accepted, this is a sign that it is not always clear what information a given piece of evidence is supposed to represent. There's a particularly dubious roadblock testimony early in the game that could use rewrites. I discussed this with Xak while writing my review, and we agreed that some changes would be helpful here.

Still, even in its current form, this is an enjoyable case. If you like Umineko and Ace Attorney, you should give it a try! Even if you haven't played Umineko, you might enjoy the stylish presentation and some well-executed puzzles. This recommendation would be even stronger given another round of editing to clear up a few puzzle design issues. But as it stands, this case is easily worth your time.
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Big thanks to Ferdie for the insightful feedback, and the review! I've just finished an update to the game that attempts to address the feedback he provided, you can read about/play it here: https://xak.itch.io/turnabout-of-the-golden-witch/devlog/83283/one-more-update-and-thanks. For those on the fence, I think the game is considerably improved by the removal of the aforementioned "roadblock" in the second testimony.
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