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Okay I am about to start on the gavin files and I would request some possible help if anyone is interested.


I need

OC
OC Sprites
Possible case ideas


And that is all I require at the moment.

I still need a brief idea of how CM2 works but I'll get it eventually


Okay thanks! :garyuu:
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If that's what you need, what do you already HAVE? :\
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He probably needs ideas for filler cases, not for all cases.

Or maybe he just wants a starting idea, then develop the rest himself.
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I have the casemaker and all other sprites


I believe there is kristoph sprites around this forum so I'll obtain them from there

And I have great ideas for the cases.

In fairness, I have half if not more of what I need, so I just request a little help now.
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When you make requests for help like this, I think it's most important to first tell people what you have and how far you've come. Everyone has access to the casemakers and actual game sprites. Like...

"I have a great idea for a case I want to do, I'm using ______ case maker and know how to script it, but I need some help with OC sprites." It's a lot easier to attract people if you're confident about your ideas up front.
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I agree, but not everyone thinks that way.

In a way it could be similar to what I'm doing with cases 6 and 7 of Trials of Life, I guess. There's not much released info on Case 6 and almost none on Case 7, even though I've been pretty open about the other cases. Simply because I don't want to spoil these two but don't mind so much on the rest.
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Croik wrote:
When you make requests for help like this, I think it's most important to first tell people what you have and how far you've come. Everyone has access to the casemakers and actual game sprites. Like...

"I have a great idea for a case I want to do, I'm using ______ case maker and know how to script it, but I need some help with OC sprites." It's a lot easier to attract people if you're confident about your ideas up front.



I agree thanks croik

Yes the case will be made using cm2 once I have got to grips with it, it'll be a fun game and all I need is for people to help submit some of their own creations to appear in the cases.

Once that's done, and I have required all the neccessary itinerary, I will then focus on the other cases.

I have a good opening case idea and from there the game will develop.

Please get involved if you all can, as it is fun to help give ideas and the original characters that will appear in the game.

Thanks again Pros x
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Hello me again.


Is anyone willing to help with original characters to appear in my game.


All I will require is victims, suspects, killers, and then odd characters or maybe a new prosecutor to be tried out

I really wish to start work on this project, so I ask sincerely that people try and help out as much as they can, any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks again! :garyuu:
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I'll try, just tell me what ya wan'. (You can see my epic free-draw skills in my sig) Also, let me warn you, CM2 is a bit behind the times.
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
CM2 is a bit behind the times.


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Yeah, you might wanna use PWLib, PyWright, or wait (and wait) for CM3 to come out. (HURRY UP MECHABOWSER DAMMIT)

And if ya want Victims? I can whip up some profile heads for the dead peopls.
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Yeah I'll take a look and see which things I can cope with casemaker wise

Pywright looks okay, it's just the scripting part that bothers me.



Prosecutor Manella wrote:
Yeah, you might wanna use PWLib, PyWright, or wait (and wait) for CM3 to come out. (HURRY UP MECHABOWSER DAMMIT)

And if ya want Victims? I can whip up some profile heads for the dead peopls.



Cheers! That'd be awesome

Do you require any info to make them or are you going to give a few samples first?
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Why wait for CM3 if is PWLib and PyWright are top notch casemakers?

Why not PWLib, ProsecutorX?
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Well I guess I could but I'd need some help with it really so I know what to do with the scripting


Thanks anyway though
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Not necessarily, but not without a good reason.

If I work to see people not using it due to stupid, silly reasons (or no reason), then why the hell PWLib is considered the best casemaker around?

If it is good, why not use it? (5 seconds logic)
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Okay I wasn't slating your casemaker, so there's no reason to start losing your temper..

You said yourself that pywright is also a topnotch casemaker so I may use that, if that's alright with you that is...
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I don't see fear of scripting being a stupid reason to be put off by a tool KSA. Everybody is different.

I think pywright is fairly non-scary as far as scripting goes, with pwlib being a little more scary. After the learning curve though, they are not much harder to use than an editor would be, and in some cases can be a lot faster (especially when typing in a set of dialogue). Pwlib has a help document that makes it not too bad to learn, however if you want to go beyond that file there is a lack of documentation, beyond searching through many pages of posts on how to do things. Pywright doesn't have a tutorial, but has a document that describes nearly everything.

I know I plan on making tutorials at some point soon, as well as fleshing out the editor, to make the learning curve for pywright even less. And ksa is updating the guide and documenting commands, so eventually things there will be improved as well.

But even the simplest possible scripting language will probably be too much for some people. Just because it doesn't fit how their minds work. I think anyone can learn scripting, but it can take a pretty big effort. It can get in the way if someone has a story they want to tell. But I'd be happy to help you with the scripting if you want to do it in pywright and can put forth the extra effort.

Otherwise, you can wait for CM3, a better pywright editor, or someone to make an editor for pwlib.
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Well, PWLib is considered better then pywright by saluk himself.

Before 1.1, I'm couldn't say much due to the render issue. I couldn't comment about "oh, you're not using pwlib, why?".

Now that I fixed it, what do I see: All "announced games" uses... pywright. Where is all the respect that people have for me? I took days to pull out the fixed AIGE.

Not that anything will damage PWLib's development, but I'm getting tired of this issue. You people don't seem to understand that it doesn't matter "PWLib is cool, etc" and not using it. Each time I seem to notice this, I get sadder towards the community that I tried so hard to support.

I feel disrespected, and a lot. Feel free to do your game and don't expect that I will smile at you. I'm really really bored with this situation. Where are the PWLib games? All I did for the casemaking doesn't seem to make any sense anymore.

If you have any level of respect for me, think about it. I can't expect to smile if all I did seem to be... "nothing".

Oh, and the tutos I did? Mean nothing too I suppose.

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Yeah thanks that would be much appreciated

It's not so much finding it difficult it's just putting the time to learning it and then carrying on from there

But I'm more than grateful for you to assist me on pywright, thanks.
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Well, PWLib is considered better then pywright by saluk himself.

Before 1.1, I'm couldn't say much due to the render issue. I couldn't comment about "oh, you're not using pwlib, why?".

Now that I fixed it, what do I see: All "announced games" uses... pywright. Where is all the respect that people have for me? I took days to pull out the fixed AIGE.

Not that anything will damage PWLib's development, but I'm getting tired of this issue. You people don't seem to understand that it doesn't matter "PWLib is cool, etc" and not using it. Each time I seem to notice this, I get sadder towards the community that I tried so hard to support.

I feel disrespected, and a lot. Feel free to do your game and don't expect that I will smile at you. I'm really really bored with this situation. Where are the PWLib games? All I did for the casemaking doesn't seem to make any sense anymore.

If you have any level of respect for me, think about it. I can't expect to smile if all I did seem to be... "nothing".

Oh, and the tutos I did? Mean nothing too I suppose.

saluk: Did you ever noticed about the pwlib easy language i'm developing? I think it wasn't noticed.



I respect that fact you've made a casemaker which is pretty successful, as I've read previously before this topic.

I dont respect the fact that you think that's a good enough reason to be arrogant and start dictating what others should do with their games.
Show a little more respect to other people's opinions in future, and maybe you won't feel as "disrespected" as you claim to be.
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Well, in the end, thanks for the respect you had for me.

I would appreciate that people could point what is hard on pwlib instead of ignoring it like if it meant anything.

I noticed that sometimes quality is meaningless. You still get disrespected by people. They don't even try to talk to you about "oh, this is hard, can you try to make it easier."

In the end I need urgently to add LI to AIGE and support pywright natively. So I can run pywright games in AIGE + PWLib natively and do not depend on people "it is hard" comments for guessing a better front.

But it is not normal: 3 new games, NONE on PWLib. That is disrespectful. That is more than that if you ask me.
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@KSA: What the hell? do you expect that people drop all the progress they made in another casemaker, and start over in Pwlib?
Seems silly to me.
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For the record, I don't think pwlib is better than pywright, I grant that it is better in some ways, while pywright is better in others. However, arguing about which casemaker is better and why in someone elses fangame post is rude. An author should be totally free to choose whatever they wish to express themselves with. You don't see me complaining that the pwlib discussion is 500 million pages long and pywright only has 5 pages, do you?

Easy scripting in pwlib sounds like a great feature, but as it is in development, no one knows what it is going to be like, whether it is worth waiting for, etc. CM3 is also in development. If you want to talk about this more KSA, I think another topic to discuss casemaker choice in general would be a better place than in people's individual posts.

Back on topic:
Besides casemaker choice, we are still quite in the dark in what this game is actually about ProsecutorX? We know kristoph will be in it, does it take place before or after Apollo Justice? What characters have you chosen already? Including official and original characters. What is the scope of the game (number of cases). The more that you can bring to the table and show that this game has promise, the more likely you will find people wanting to contribute.
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Just to explain the thing for people to get the real view:

I don't feel disrespected by people not using PWLib, but by the fact that some people simply ignore pwlib and go to other CM without even caring to comment about "what is hard in pwlib" or something similar. That is the disrespectful thing.
ProsecutorX did that, simply ignored PWLib (as he never ever did talk to me).
And one thing i noticed about things is that since I posted the idea for the pwlib language, not a single soul commented ideas for the commands. Pretty nice, huh?

Ceres was strongly disrespectful to me not using pwlib, since once he announced the game idea, it was close to PWLib's 1.1 release, as I recall. (but it is other case that i really don't care).

I'm tired of suffering this kind of disrespect, so I'll start playing it my own way. You won't get respect from me if you don't respect me.

saluk: if you really think it, ok, i'll start targeting stuff on pwlib I wasn't. And thanks for lying to me on MSN. When you're winning, you suddenly change, huh?
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Prosecutor Manella wrote:
(HURRY UP MECHABOWSER DAMMIT)

Spoiler: spoilered for rage suppression
Mecha gave up on that and started working on a Steam clone about a month ago.


So X, you need some ideas for cases? Lemme go see if I can find a post I made a while ago about the same thing.

Are you desperate for that last spot in your Ace Attorney game? Do you feel idealess, writer's blocked, confused like a Psyduck?
Try these simple tips and you'll be on you way to *fame, fortune, and a fruitful social life.

1. Play more Detective Games! Contrary to popular belief, there are games out there with murder cases that don't star a spiky-haired attorney! So, how does this help? Simple, if it's a murder that you can investigate, it could be put into a Phoenix Wright game! So start digging.

2. Read relevant fanfiction. By this, I don't mean how hot it would be if Nick and Amy hooked up in a cross-overstravaganza while Alfred Molina kills BatMan. No, I mean the ones where 'Polly has to defend Nick for the murder of Charley, or where Kyle gets stuck in Yet Another Troubled Hotel with Dark Secrets to Help Discover His Past. They may seem silly at times, but if you dig down, you should find a good idea, which could lead to more good ideas. Also, remember the Trials section of the forum. They have ideas there too, and with a little permission and a cookie, someone might lend you there's.

3. Provide a back-story. Remember that one case where Klavier had to defend Mike Meekins for Assault and Battery on a City Block? Neither do I. But, you could make it happen, and then everyone would remember it, and you'll be **cooler then LittleKuriboh!

4. Do a case where Klavier has to defend Mike Meekins for destroying a city block, or where you ***have to defend Alfred Molina for the murder of BatMan. It could work!

Hope that was helpful!

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First off, Allow me to apologize to ProsecutorX, These guys and myself have cluttered up your thread here.
But seeing as how I was appereantly accused of something, I see the need to reply.
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Ceres was strongly disrespectful to me not using pwlib, since once he announced the game idea, it was close to PWLib's 1.1 release, as I recall. (but it is other case that i really don't care).


Ok, Let me get this straight..I was disrespectful? How did i do that?
According to you, I can not freely choose wich engine i use?
You want to know the history so far?:

It all started with me helping Ping' with his fancase, Afterwards i started thinking maybe i could make a game of my own so I downloaded Pwlib...wich failed to work, Getting me frustrated.
At the time I was discussing with Ping', and he had many positive comments about Pywright, so I continued from there.

Now,Do you expect me to just give everything up to start a new?
I never disrespected you in any way, But after reading so much of you putting down other casemakers/people, I'm starting to.
I never understood all of this...It's like Coca cola Personally attacking some random guy for buying a Pepsi.
Now think about it, That does not make sense!
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It was before PWLib 1.1 (when AIGE had the render issue), so I couldn't comment about it.
Now that 1.1 is out, there is no more render issue (save for very specific video cards).

In the end, arguing about it won't change anything. You could have waited a bit for 1.1 to try before going to pywright. That is all i have to say.
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Ceres wrote:
Now think about it, That does not make sense!

Chewbacca is a wookie from the planet Kashyyyk.
But Chewbacca LIVES on the planet Endor.
Now think about that.
That. Does not. make. Sense.

Anyway, ProsecutorX. If KSA has stopped being ridiculous and has not scared you off, I would not mind investing some time to code this for you in PWLib. That is, if KSA hasn't insulted you away from using it.

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You could have waited a bit for 1.1 to try before going to pywright. That is all i have to say.
And in that month that he might have waited, what could he have gotten done? Nothing. Perhaps planning and some brief storyline writing but none of the physical coding which I personally believe he wanted to proceed to do. He chose to use Pywright. That is that, no amount of bitching or "OMG USE PWLIB ASS!" is ever going to change that, apart from further discouraging people from using PWLib.
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Hey, you got the Phoenix wrong reference!
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I won't bitch anymore about this, since people won't understand since they are on the other end of the line (not programmers).

Feel free to use your choice and consider what you want. You know that if you ever decide to use PWLib, I'm available on CR for any issues (as I always was).
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Okay guys lets not get too carried away, lets try and calm down a little.


Thanks for the replys anyways.


Erm the case itself I had explained about in a previous introduction topic on this section, hang on......nah cant find it, but it explained what the case was and that it was set


Spoiler:
After phoenix got disbarred, so this is essentially kristophs hay days as a defense attorney


also there will be about roughly 5/6 cases.

I have various ideas I just need some new bg, characters for victims and killers etc and a final casemaker to put it all together in.

Also there are quite a few kristoph sprites running round does anyone recommend any good ones, out of them?


Thanks for the support guys and keep em coming :garyuu:
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Just give me a quick brief on what you are looking for in facial appearance for the dead guys.

And FO SHIZ? Aw man, Now I'll have to use PWLib or PyWright to make mine.

Ah well. I'll get a scripter from somewhere! :edgey:

Oh, and nice South Park reference.
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Just basically like, innocent really, but I wish for it to be a woman for the first case, blonde hair, quite mature as she will be about late 30 to 40's
if you need any more info, just ask.
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Female, Blonde Hair, Mature.

Any distinguishing features or just your average jane?
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ProsecutorX wrote:
a final casemaker to put it all together in.
DDRKhat wrote:
Anyway, ProsecutorX. If KSA has stopped being ridiculous and has not scared you off, I would not mind investing some time to code this for you in PWLib. That is, if KSA hasn't insulted you away from using it.

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CAN WE PLEASE NOT TURN THIS INTO PyWright VS PWLib?
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Hush Manella, He was merely offering hs help.
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*sigh* Fine, Fine.

They're both as good as one another anyway.
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DDRKhat wrote:
ProsecutorX wrote:
a final casemaker to put it all together in.
DDRKhat wrote:
Anyway, ProsecutorX. If KSA has stopped being ridiculous and has not scared you off, I would not mind investing some time to code this for you in PWLib. That is, if KSA hasn't insulted you away from using it.



That'd be great thanks, however I believe someone else offered help with me on pywright also, so just to clarify,

saluk offered help on pywright and DDRKhat is offereing help with pwlib, am I right in thinking that so far?


Prosecutor Manella wrote:
Female, Blonde Hair, Mature.

Any distinguishing features or just your average jane?


Erm yeah but just fairly pretty, like average looking pretty sort of thing, im sure you can use your imagination :garyuu:


Thanks guys for the replies, it's been a good response
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ProsecutorX wrote:
DDRKhat wrote:
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That'd be great thanks, however I believe someone else offered help with me on pywright also,
Let me know when you've come to a final decision, PM might be best. it's hard to ignore them.
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