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Hello all.

Recently, I have been writing a lot of fiction (specifically fanfiction), and I had an ambitious idea. I'm sure everyone on this forum has heard of PW: Remenants of the Past, yes? For those who don't, it's a fan made full 5-case Phoenix Wright Game, featuring cases from Phoenix's past (and my god, I cannot wait to play it).

By now, I think you can see where I am going with this. My idea is to create a Phoenix Wright Game (5 cases is extremelly ambitious... better start with one :phoenix: and work the way up), of our own design.

I want to make something very clear though, and this is where I would probably lose a lot of you. The game would most likely be designed on PWLib (unless someone else has a better suggestion...?). I cannot use it. At all. This is why at the start of the post I mentioned my loving of writing fanfiction. I would write the story (with, of course, the assistance of others) and you lot (yes, you) would program it into Lib.

Obviously, this is very initial stages. If you wish to see a sample of my fiction-writing, please don't hesitate to ask. (I do have a story somewhere in the fanfiction section). Perhaps this will not go down well, but hopefully I have your support here. Any questions? Please ask.

The Title "Father To The Turnabout" Is the working name for the first case in the game. Featuring Phoenix Wright's father, and why it is he is never mentioned in the games. It takes place in 1992, the year Phoenix was born.

Positions that are available:

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Lt. Morke

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Storyline writers/editors
General Programmers

The game will be designed using PWLib.

Case 1 Trial Former: Synopsis

Spoiler: If you wish to play the game at a later date without helping the project, please do not read.
Trial Former- March 16th – 10:04 AM – District Court – Courtroom No. 1

The case takes place in 1992, the year Phoenix was born. He is only six months old. The defendant in the case is Steven Wright, Phoenix’s father. The victim is Susan Wright, Steven’s wife.

He is accused of killing her in the semi-detached house which they live in. It is proposed that he strangled her to death with an electrical cord after a verbal argument they had. The crime took place at around 7:00 PM.

The Defence attorney is Marvin Grossberg, already a well-respected Attorney. The Prosecutor, Winston Payne. This is his first trial. The Judge is the same, although very much younger.

The first three pieces of evidence are received, one, the electrical cord used for murder. Two, a photo of the crime scene. In the photo, one can clearly see Susan Wright lying on the floor of her living room, a cable wrapped tightly around her neck. And three, the Autopsy report, labelling it as a slow death, which happened at around 7:00 PM. Steven was found unconscious in the room with her. This has been put down to sheer shock of seeing his partner dead.

The first witness called to the stand is Detective Thomas Glovegum. He testifies about how Steven strangled Susan to death with an electrical cord he found around the base of his television after an argument they shared about his work. Susan was found lying in the flat, dead by the television in their front living room.

Of course, there is a contradiction, and Marvin is quick to point this fact out. Namely, there is absolutely no sign of a struggle in the photo. If she was truly strangled to death, then how could there have been no struggle?

With this point being pursued, it leads to a second testimony. In this testimony, the detective offers his explanation of the lack of a struggle. It is entirely possible that Steven secretly snuck up on her as she sat on a chair that can be seen in the photo. She was then strangled to death, and fell of the chair during the panic. There was no need for any struggle.

Yet again, there is a contradiction. If they had been arguing, would Steven not be standing in front of her, and would her senses not be on high alert? She would not simply sit down after a tense argument and allow Steven to sneak up behind her.

At this point, the prosecution claims they have a witness that they can call to the stand. The court breaks for a 10 minute recess as the witness is prepared.


Spoiler: Trial Latter
The Court reconvenes after the 10 minute recess. After a quick formality, the Prosecution calls their witness.

The witness is a man called James Watchin. He testifies that he saw the whole crime happen from outside the window of Steven and Susan’s house. He is the resident of the house next door, and was returning from getting a paper at the newsagents when he heard a shriek from inside the house. He ran up to the door but found it locked, so instead looked inside the window. From there he saw the murder take place, and he testifies to seeing Steven standing over Susan’s dead body from there.

During the Cross-Examination, the point is raised once again that there are no signs of struggle in the photo. James easily explains this as the murder was very quick, and therefore Susan had no time to struggle. By the time he had arrived at the window, Susan was already dead.

This statement is added to the testimony, but Marvin finds a contradiction. The Autopsy report clearly details the death as a slow one. The witness just testified to it being quick, and this is a clear contradiction of the facts. Therefore, the fact that there is a lack of a struggle is brought back into light once again.

At this point, the witness quickly offers a second testimony. In this one, he states that the murder actually happened in the Kitchen, which would explain the lack of struggle. The victim was strangled in the Kitchen, which connects directly to the front living room, and then was pulled through. For whatever reason, the witness is unsure.

There is a direct contradiction once again. Marvin requests a secondary photo of the crime scene, as photos are normally taken at multiple angles, and can confirm his suspicions. There is no outside window looking into the Kitchen, nor is there any way to see into it from the front room window. This must mean that either someone told the witness the murder happened there, or he was in the building at the time.

The prosecution cuts in, and suggests that perhaps the suspect himself should testify. The suspect is called to the stand, and testifies that he has no recollection of what happened. He remembered being in his apartment, and opening the door to someone. The next thing he knew, he was on the ground. He woke up later in hospital to the news his wife was dead. He testifies however, what the person who hit him looked like. It was almost defiantly the witness.

The defence is about to cross-examine when something goes horribly wrong. The sound of a gunshot tears through the air. The defendant, Steven Wright, is hit in the chest full force by a bullet. He is knocked backwards off his feet, and blood splatters the courtroom. Steven Wright is pronounced dead three hours later. The entire Wright family line, apart from one little boy, had been eradicated.

The case was never solved. The witness did not attempt to flee, but could not be found Guilty because of lack of decisive evidence. The shooter was never found. It is suspected that he fled through the roof of the courtroom, but no-one ever found him. Since then, Marvin has stayed a Prosecutor, along with Payne. They both agreed to never speak of this to Phoenix, who was only six months old at the time. He was taken into care, and for official reasons he believed they were his real parents, and still does today. It was never truly understood why someone would shoot Steven. It was mostly considered to be that he had just named a suspect, and that if the cross-examination had gone ahead then that suspect would have almost defiantly been found guilty.

The case was never solved. But perhaps it will be soon…


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Pwlib is not your only option. PyWright is a very capable engine that may or may not be easier for you to use. It was designed to be simple to use for writers, although it is hard to balance capability and ease of use. An editor is on it's way as well, to help make things simpler. It's worth looking into anyway.

There is also Ace Attorney Online. It seems like it should support most cases, if not always in the most ideal way.

Then again, the planning of a case is nearly as hard as programming it, no matter which engine is used, and there are a lot of people for the various engines who would like to help you I'm sure. So your proposal is not that out of the question. If you use PyWright I can help with the coding of the case, even coding most of it for you if you provide me the script. I think KSA or others from pwlib would also be willing.

What you need though is a really good idea to start from and to use as a recruiting tool. Something to make people want to help you out. An idea of how much you are going to need, what characters you might use, etc. Without revealing spoilers, we still need a bit more to go on than "let's make a game, who's with me?"
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Recall that Shinku is under work to make PWLib easy.

As always, I'm on all the time to help with PWLib.

I would recommend PWLib since soon it will merge both ideas of been easy as well its old "total custom" flag.
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Ace Attorney wrote:
and you lot (yes, you) would program it into Lib.
Give me a narrative script of what happens where, who says what etc then I would be more then happy to code the entire game when I get spare time. Any custom characters, backgrounds, game mechanics (your own style of "Perceive/Magnatama" perhaps?) will have to be provided, I would simply turn the story script into PWLib coding for the game itself.
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Phoenix> "He caused suicide to point the blame onto the defendant!"
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Thanks for replying guys.

@Saluk: I have one case already basic planned out. What information would you be looking for? Also, I'll consider PuWright and Phoenix Wright Online, and decide which is best overall, although since I would be using them minimally, it's probably better put down to those who I ask to help me.

@KSA_Tech: Thanks for the support. I will call on you when the game goes to programming stages, providing we decide to use PWLib.

@DDRKhat: I won't be able to provide a script for quite a while (the ideas are still un-organised). What I would quite like to do is write it as if I was writing a story (i.e. Paragraphs, sentence structure and suchlike), not as if I was writing a script. Then I would submit the story to readers, who would read it over, and if they approved then I would turn it into a script.

Perhaps I shall give you a small titbit of information. The game, most likely, would contain 4 cases. The first one I plan to take place in the past, at least five years before the birth of Phoenix Wright. This case would give a story to Phoenix's mother and father, who never seem to be mentioned in the games at all.

Sound like a good idea?
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I'd get a name set up, even if it's just a working title (not permanent).
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I would say, since you don't intent to program, PWLib is your best shot in this case (specially 1.2 when it's out).
Check out Case 1 that DDRKhat made to see how close it is to the original game.

I can provide special lower screens as needed, if you need it as well.

Oh, and good luck with out project.

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KSA_Tech wrote:
I would say, since you don't intent to program, PWLib is your best shot in this case (specially 1.2 when it's out).
Check out Case 1 that DDRKhat made to see how close it is to the original game.

I can provide special lower screens as needed, if you need it as well.

Oh, and good luck with out project.

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Thanks very much. :edgy:

As Prosecutor Manella pointed out, I'm going to get a working titile going. I'll come up with a few ideas, then choose a final one. Can I count on your help in order to get some programming, or are you busy elsewhere? I'll go and check out that case in order to see how good PWLib is.
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I'm close to holidays, so I will be working on PWLib (so i'll be able to help as needed).

Did you check the videos from PWLib 1.2 (New Examination and Psyche Lock ones)?
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Father to the Turnabout?

Hmm...
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Well, I'd say scripting will be pretty busy until Remnants is gone.

And I will be happy to help with spriting, I mostly do custom evidence.
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DramaticaXIV2 wrote:
Father to the Turnabout?

Hmm...


Good Hmm... or bad Hmm...?

Please explain.
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Did you mean to mispell "tunabout"?

So a case about Phoenix's father? Sounds interesting. As I said before, I would also be happy to code the game for you in pywright. Although I would prefer to empower you and help you learn to "code" it yourself, because then you would not be limited by other people's time. If you feel like a part needs to be rewritten or changed, you will be able to make those changes yourself. If you have someone else doing it, there is potential for communications to break down, which can slow things down a lot.

Whatever you choose, good luck with the project!
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Did you mean to mispell "tunabout"?

So a case about Phoenix's father? Sounds interesting. As I said before, I would also be happy to code the game for you in pywright. Although I would prefer to empower you and help you learn to "code" it yourself, because then you would not be limited by other people's time. If you feel like a part needs to be rewritten or changed, you will be able to make those changes yourself. If you have someone else doing it, there is potential for communications to break down, which can slow things down a lot.

Whatever you choose, good luck with the project!


Thanks for the help. I'm still unsure whether to use PWLib or PyWright, however.

And as for tunabout, no, I didn't. xD.
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Well, I think the best thing to do now is try to see if you can get either working.
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Yep,I think it's a good idea!But,this case would be in OUR past...I think...
Sorry,I haven't got any logical ideas...

No,seriously;I'm looking forward to this...
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Wait, so we've already made it, we just need a time machine to get it back from our past selves?
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Something like that...I mean,Apollo was born(I think)on 1992;and in the game he was 22...
And Phoenix has 32 or something

What means that Phoenix was born in 1982!
And if you made the game before that...I don't know...It would be in the Second Mundial War...
Or is it just me?
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Something like that...I mean,Apollo was born(I think)on 1992;and in the game he was 22...
And Phoenix has 32 or something

What means that Phoenix was born in 1982!
And if you made the game before that...I don't know...It would be in the Second Mundial War...
Or is it just me?


Wait. You've completely lost me. What are you talking about?

Phoenix was born in 1992... so the case would take place in 1987.

I'm currently working on the story for the Trial Former of Case 1, so that you all have something to base the quality on.
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The case 1 synopsis should be up tommorow, if not tonight.

I've put a small list of all the help I will require, and I have also made my decision on the Case Maker to use.

I'm going to use PWLib. It was a close call, but with the new Percieve Feature coming, it has just tipped it over the edge for me. So, is there anyone who is willing to help? If you are unsure whether to help or not, wait for the synopsis to go up, and then see if you're interested.
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Uh, it's coming for both casemakers. (Sorry KSA, but it is true)

I might or might not help, depending on what specifically you need.
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1) But I was able to deliver it faster and earlier, so it counts.

2) Remember to be impartial... it means something, you know...

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Just a quick question. Does anyone know if MechaBowser's Case Maker 3 is actually happening or not? I have 2.1 (and I can use that. :will: ) but it has various flaws, mainly the lack of profiles, and the inability to present evidence during cross-examinations. If anyone has any idea, please tell me.
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No, it won't (as far as i know, he posted on other forum that he gave up on it).

PWLib (and other casemakers) currently easily makes it look outdated. Any of the current casemakers is way more stable/feature-ridden then it.

Let CM rest in peace now. We had much issue with it and its creator, so let it be past and forgotten.
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No, it won't (as far as i know, he posted on other forum that he gave up on it).

PWLib (and other casemakers) currently easily makes it look outdated. Any of the current casemakers is way more stable/feature-ridden then it.

Let CM rest in peace now. We had much issue with it and its creator, so let it be past and forgotten.


Fair enough. Guess it's down to Lib then. I'll have the synopsis up tommorow. Anyone want to throw a leg out and give me their support now?
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Once you want to begin with development, it is better to have me and other people who would help you on MSN, it would make things way easier ans safer to discuss.

I'm doing the final fixed and touches on PWLib's Perceive system and rewriting some code section to make it better to manage and use.

I'll do the integration to PWLib core once it's done (the button on cross examinations) together with the GS4 Magatama button, so I'll kill two birds with one stone.
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I was being impartial, if he has partly wrong info I should correct it, not for the sake of either side (reminds me of Klavier). For the record I have nothing against you using PWLib, AA.
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I was just placing a remind for you.

And I'm sure he checked on pywright, since he was choosing one of the programs.
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I was just placing a remind for you.

And I'm sure he checked on pywright, since he was choosing one of the programs.


That I did. It just seems PWLib (No offence, of course) has more to offer if you put more work in.
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Okay, here is a synopsis of the trial former of Case 1, so that you have something to base this on:

Spoiler: If you wish to play this game and not help with programming and such, please do not read.
Trial Former- March 16th – 10:04 AM – District Court – Courtroom No. 1

The case takes place in 1987, five years before Phoenix was born. The defendant in the case is Steven Wright, Phoenix’s father. The victim is Susan Wright, Steven’s wife.

He is accused of killing her in the semi-detached house which they live in. It is proposed that he strangled her to death with an electrical cord after a verbal argument they had.

The Defence attorney is Marvin Grossberg, already a well-respected Attorney. The Prosecutor, Winston Payne. This is his first trial. The Judge is the same, although very much younger.

The first two pieces of evidence are received, one, the electrical cord used for murder, and two, a photo of the crime scene. In the photo, one can clearly see Susan Wright lying on the floor of her living room, a cable wrapped tightly around her neck.

The first witness called to the stand is Detective Thomas Glovegum. He testifies about how Steven strangled Susan to death with an electrical cord he found around the base of his television after an argument they shared about his work. Susan was found lying in the flat, dead by the television in their front living room.

Of course, there is a contradiction, and Marvin is quick to point this fact out. Namely, there is absolutely no sign of a struggle in the photo. If she was truly strangled to death, then how could there have been no struggle?

With this point being pursued, it leads to a second testimony. In this testimony, the detective offers his explanation of the lack of a struggle. It is entirely possible that Steven secretly snuck up on her as she sat on a chair that can be seen in the photo. She was then strangled to death, and fell of the chair during the panic. There was no need for any struggle.

Yet again, there is a contradiction. If they had been arguing, would Steven not be standing in front of her, and would her senses not be on high alert? She would not simply sit down after a tense argument and allow Steven to sneak up behind her.

At this point, the prosecution claims they have a witness that they can call to the stand. The court breaks for a 10 minute recess as the witness is prepared.


So, what do those that read think?
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I read a bit of the synopsis. I read enough to know that I am VERY interested in playing this case, so I don't want to spoiler it further! It sounds like a really interesting case.
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I read a bit of the synopsis. I read enough to know that I am VERY interested in playing this case, so I don't want to spoiler it further! It sounds like a really interesting case.


:D Thanks very much. Hopefully if I get more of this kind of response then I can begin getting a programming team together.
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I read up to the part where the prosecutor, defence and Judge are revealed. I'm already looking forward to playing it.
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I read up to the part where the prosecutor, defence and Judge are revealed. I'm already looking forward to playing it.


Cheers! Looks like it's all positive on this then. Is there anyone who's willing to read it through so that we may begin to contemplate programming?
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Anyone? I need to get a team together.
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Dude, you may want to consider sprites BEFORE scripting. Without sprites, scripts will go NOWHERE.
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Prosecutor Manella wrote:
Dude, you may want to consider sprites BEFORE scripting. Without sprites, scripts will go NOWHERE.


I know, but right now I need a team to help me.
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I'll be sprite help! :gant:
The Ema Klavier HATE club still lives...I finally got PW3!!!
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I can read it, but can't program it. I don't suppose that's much use.
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That was objectionable!

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Well, you can count me as your first team member. You supply me with the sprites and I'll code them into PWLib for you. I also know how to code the game, so I can serve a dual purpose.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I'm working on Edgeworth right now, so no rush on the sprites.
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