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Franziska really needs her own game. I'm still standing for that she is the most interesting character in the whole aa universe.
She's quite a move away from everyone else we've played as before. One of the things that makes her so interesting and loveable is how very adorably flawed she is. It would be so great to see how she thinks and acts compared to Phoenix and Edgeworth and Apollo. (I think I'm missing someone here...)
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Midnight Jasper wrote:
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Since you're all talking about franziskas childhood and all that I felt that I would want to share my 2 cents.
I always thought that Franny had a pretty rough childhood where she always wanted to impress/ get attention on her father. Since Miles always got Manfreds attention.I think that Manfred was teaching Franny and Miles at the same time. But Miles got all help and attention and that motivated Franziska to study harder to one day be able to beat Miles and get her fathers attention.
I always thought that Franny had a pretty rough childhood where she always wanted to impress/ get attention on her father. Since Miles always got Manfreds attention.I think that Manfred was teaching Franny and Miles at the same time. But Miles got all help and attention and that motivated Franziska to study harder to one day be able to beat Miles and get her fathers attention.
Seconded, every word. And she must have felt so confused when Edgeworth met Phoenix again and started splitting away from von Karma's methods, and especially in 1-4. What a mindscrew that must've been for her. The father that she respected so much to be revealed as a psycho murderer who killed her adopted brother's FATHER... and then Edgeworth fakes suicide and leaves her alone in Germany to go search for the truth.
Thirded. That must be really hard time for her, when everything in what she believed was ruined. But the good thing is that she learned a lot after that and began to change for the better.
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Another thing that's strange is Franziska says she's not a genius like her father...if she's not a genius, she's still pretty damn smart. Passing the bar exam at 13 is no small feat. Maybe she's mistaking genius for dishonesty? Franziska isn't a "genius" because she doesn't lie (as much), cheat, and forge evidence like her father.
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Midnight Jasper wrote:
oddy wrote:
Franziska really needs her own game. I'm still standing for that she is the most interesting character in the whole aa universe.
She's quite a move away from everyone else we've played as before. One of the things that makes her so interesting and loveable is how very adorably flawed she is. It would be so great to see how she thinks and acts compared to Phoenix and Edgeworth and Apollo. (I think I'm missing someone here...)
Umm... Mia?
I second that, I would totally love to see what Franny thinks, what does she thinks while whipping. I'd love to know more about Franny's past.
Also playing her first trial would be awesome.
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Auraion wrote:
Midnight Jasper wrote:
oddy wrote:
Franziska really needs her own game. I'm still standing for that she is the most interesting character in the whole aa universe.
She's quite a move away from everyone else we've played as before. One of the things that makes her so interesting and loveable is how very adorably flawed she is. It would be so great to see how she thinks and acts compared to Phoenix and Edgeworth and Apollo. (I think I'm missing someone here...)
Umm... Mia?
I second that, I would totally love to see what Franny thinks, what does she thinks while whipping. I'd love to know more about Franny's past.
Also playing her first trial would be awesome.
Yeah that would be great and you know, I was wondering that an AAI 2 with Franziska as the main character is possible to exist because
Spoiler: for the credits
Franny was really the best character in this game (Miles has the 2nd place, and Kay the 3rd). And thanks for the pictures guys, they're all great, Little!Franny is so adorableeeeeee!!
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Yeah that would be great and you know, I was wondering that an AAI 2 with Franziska as the main character is possible to exist because That would be sooooooo great.
Franny was really the best character in this game (Miles has the 2nd place, and Kay the 3rd). And thanks for the pictures guys, they're all great, Little!Franny is so adorableeeeeee!!
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Franny was really the best character in this game (Miles has the 2nd place, and Kay the 3rd). And thanks for the pictures guys, they're all great, Little!Franny is so adorableeeeeee!!
This is too awesome to believe. TT
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I don't think Manfred ignored Franziska in favor of Miles, even though she might have felt that way sometimes. She's too obsessed with perfection and her family name to not have been taught by him. Maybe Manfred was just preoccupied with Miles's debut as a prosecutor while it was happening and focused completely on Franziska afterward.
Franziska may not have been ignored at the beginning, but I think in AAI-4 he's clearly focusing on Edgeworth. Of course, like you said, this might just be because it was his debut case, but he says he'll "think about" attending her first trial. And he's always addressing Edgeworth about the investigation and matters related to it when he should really be talking to the both of them. And it's not surprising she was obsessed with perfection and the family name: for her entire childhood Edgeworth and her father were practically the only two people she knew well. I can't really see poor, whip-crazy Franzy making many friends at school. She'd be like that whether or not von Karma paid much attention to her.
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Another thing that's strange is Franziska says she's not a genius like her father...if she's not a genius, she's still pretty damn smart. Passing the bar exam at 13 is no small feat. Maybe she's mistaking genius for dishonesty? Franziska isn't a "genius" because she doesn't lie (as much), cheat, and forge evidence like her father.
I think she was referring to the fact that her "perfect win record" had been broken after 'only' 5 years.
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Fran as a main character would be good if she would stop being so childish and whipping everyone every 5 seconds!!
I think she became a lot more lenient in AAI. Of course, then there were plenty of reasons for her to whip everyone to death - we saw her in case 2, where she whipped Edgey for getting himself arrested, in case 4, when she was immature and young, and in case 5, where she was surprisingly un-whippy save for Larry.
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in case 5, where she was surprisingly un-whippy save for Larry.
I'd love to see Larry's book, what was it called again? whipity whip or what?
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Midnight Jasper wrote:
moonfall wrote:
I don't think Manfred ignored Franziska in favor of Miles, even though she might have felt that way sometimes. She's too obsessed with perfection and her family name to not have been taught by him. Maybe Manfred was just preoccupied with Miles's debut as a prosecutor while it was happening and focused completely on Franziska afterward.
Franziska may not have been ignored at the beginning, but I think in AAI-4 he's clearly focusing on Edgeworth. Of course, like you said, this might just be because it was his debut case, but he says he'll "think about" attending her first trial. And he's always addressing Edgeworth about the investigation and matters related to it when he should really be talking to the both of them. And it's not surprising she was obsessed with perfection and the family name: for her entire childhood Edgeworth and her father were practically the only two people she knew well. I can't really see poor, whip-crazy Franzy making many friends at school. She'd be like that whether or not von Karma paid much attention to her.
I agree with you. In AAI-4 Manfred and Fran don't have a lot of interactions, because as you said it, Manfred is always addressing Edgeworth about the case, not his daughter or both of them, and when Franziska asked him for something, for instance the permission to compete with Miles, he just said "yeah whatever" as if he wasn't really interested, as if he was trying to push her away.
I do remember that Fran has always wanted to take her revenge on Miles, she has always wanted to defeat him, and maybe it's because he was cleverer than her or he studied faster than her, and because of that, Manfred was more interested in Miles and he let Franziska down. I noticed that when you see her for the first time in case 4: I mean, Manfred didn't even think that Fran could take the case, no he gave the chance to Miles first, not to his daughter. And at the end of case 2, Fran said something like the case with Interpol was her first real case because, before this case, nobody was paying attention to her, all the people were always hearing Manfred under the name "von Karma".
I think she has a real complex: I don't know if we can say a complex of inferiority but I wonder though... That's why I just love Fran, she is a great character, we should know more about her!
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Auraion wrote:
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in case 5, where she was surprisingly un-whippy save for Larry.
I'd love to see Larry's book, what was it called again? whipity whip or what?
Spoiler: 3-5, AAI-5 (not much of a spoiler)
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Mask*DeMasque wrote:
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Midnight Jasper wrote:
in case 5, where she was surprisingly un-whippy save for Larry.
I'd love to see Larry's book, what was it called again? whipity whip or what?
Spoiler: 3-5, AAI-5 (not much of a spoiler)
Yeah, I remember that, but, did Frazy accepted?
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Indochine Ramera wrote:
I agree with you. In AAI-4 Manfred and Fran don't have a lot of interactions, because as you said it, Manfred is always addressing Edgeworth about the case, not his daughter or both of them, and when Franziska asked him for something, for instance the permission to compete with Miles, he just said "yeah whatever" as if he wasn't really interested, as if he was trying to push her away.
I do remember that Fran has always wanted to take her revenge on Miles, she has always wanted to defeat him, and maybe it's because he was cleverer than her or he studied faster than her, and because of that, Manfred was more interested in Miles and he let Franziska down. I noticed that when you see her for the first time in case 4: I mean, Manfred didn't even think that Fran could take the case, no he gave the chance to Miles first, not to his daughter..
I do remember that Fran has always wanted to take her revenge on Miles, she has always wanted to defeat him, and maybe it's because he was cleverer than her or he studied faster than her, and because of that, Manfred was more interested in Miles and he let Franziska down. I noticed that when you see her for the first time in case 4: I mean, Manfred didn't even think that Fran could take the case, no he gave the chance to Miles first, not to his daughter..
Well, in case 4, Franziska wasn't even a prosecutor yet, she was only flying in from Germany on spring break. She couldn't very well take a case if she isn't instated as a prosecutor. The fact that Manfred actually lets her tag along actually says to me that he wants her to learn how real cases work, which is why he let her tag along with Edgeworth. So in that sense, I don't think he's been pushing her away completely.
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Mask*DeMasque wrote:
Auraion wrote:
Midnight Jasper wrote:
in case 5, where she was surprisingly un-whippy save for Larry.
I'd love to see Larry's book, what was it called again? whipity whip or what?
Spoiler: 3-5, AAI-5 (not much of a spoiler)
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Indochine Ramera wrote:
Auraion wrote:
Midnight Jasper wrote:
She's quite a move away from everyone else we've played as before. One of the things that makes her so interesting and loveable is how very adorably flawed she is. It would be so great to see how she thinks and acts compared to Phoenix and Edgeworth and Apollo. (I think I'm missing someone here...)
Umm... Mia?
I second that, I would totally love to see what Franny thinks, what does she thinks while whipping. I'd love to know more about Franny's past.
Also playing her first trial would be awesome.
Yeah that would be great and you know, I was wondering that an AAI 2 with Franziska as the main character is possible to exist because
Spoiler: for the credits
Franny was really the best character in this game (Miles has the 2nd place, and Kay the 3rd). And thanks for the pictures guys, they're all great, Little!Franny is so adorableeeeeee!!
In the game, you could see how franny (at 13) has a crush on a guy/girl and then that person brokes her heart. (I'd love to see more crying franny scenes, like 2-4)
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1) Something like PW1-2, where the crime is incredibly straightforward and the killer is obvious, but the killer has a scummy/ruthless lawyer on his side so you've got to build a completely airtight case with evidence for EVERYTHING in order to not lose. If going for a "Franziska's first trial" or other such flashback case, this is probably the way to go.
2) Have some character development where Franziska doesn't have Phoenix or Edgeworth there and consequently has to really push herself to explore every avenue of the case rather than ignore minor evidence that points in a different direction. She obviously doesn't do this in cases like PW2-2 where, instead of exploring the reason for the sleeve hole, she hides it in a very clever way and goes for the obvious killer. Considering that Franziska has changed since her first appearance, this seems like a natural way to go, and it would be a cool experience to play as Franziska as she finally pushes herself to become a prosecutor on an equal level with Edgeworth. This is what a Franziska case should be like if it's one set after the events of Ace Attorney Investigations.
I guess you could play a case where Franziska convicts an innocent, but that would be a bit of a downer.
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With more development Franny could become the same kind of prosecutor like Miles, fighting for the truth, and they could be partners!! :3
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With more development Franny could become the same kind of prosecutor like Miles, fighting for the truth, and they could be partners!! :3
Franziska Von Karmna & Miles Edgeworth: Partners in Truth, and Love! WAIT NO!! what about adrian??! NOooooo
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My imagination quickly went into gear when I thought about it, and I already have an idea of what I'd kinda like to see.
Like if she does accept that offer to work for Interpool, maybe she'd get assigned an assistant to command and help her investigate. And this assistant would be a competent person (unlike a certain clueless (but still lovable) detective we know), and be someone that Franziska can bounce ideas off of when they hit dead ends, and can point out details that Franziska might overlook or dismiss.
I think that would work out pretty well. ^_^
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Auraion wrote:
Indochine Ramera wrote:
With more development Franny could become the same kind of prosecutor like Miles, fighting for the truth, and they could be partners!! :3
Franziska Von Karmna & Miles Edgeworth: Partners in Truth, and Love!
Oh that would be sooooooo great!
Satoshi wrote:
If all the male main characters have a cute girl as an assistant, Franziska should have a cute boy. ^^
Yes I agree. Miles or Klavier or even Lang would be great, I'd prefer Miles however! 
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Satoshi wrote:
If all the male main characters have a cute girl as an assistant, Franziska should have a cute boy. ^^
No objections there.
I think they should make a new character as Franny's assistant. Edgy's already a prosecutor, Klavier's probably too young at that point in the storyline, and I don't think Lang would accept it. But that's just me.
I imagine Franny's assistant would usually address her as "Miss Karma", but will call her by her first name in special cases.
Sudden thought: When they meet, Franny's new assistant calls her "Franziska", and then Franny whips him and says, "FOOL! Do not address me in such a casual tone!"
I could go on all day with ideas like this. >__<
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Indochine Ramera wrote:
Satoshi wrote:
If all the male main characters have a cute girl as an assistant, Franziska should have a cute boy. ^^
Yes I agree. Miles or Klavier or even Lang would be great, I'd prefer Miles however! It would probably be a new character, if that happens. =)
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Edgeworth as an assistant is still the best, though~ Or really just some more cases with li'l Franzy in them.
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I don't mind the Klav/Fran pairing but 17!Klav as an assistant could be interesting!
Franziska was Miles's assistant once or twice in the game, so why couldn't he be her assistant too?
I was thinking that if AAI2 is about investigations with the help of Interpol, Lang could be a good assistant too. I found him...practical in AAI!
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Also, 17-year-old Klavier's prosecutorial skills are about on the level of Winston Payne; Phoenix was mopping the floor with Gavin until he fell into Kristoph's trap.
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Haha, Franziska would hate Klavier for beating Phoenix before she did, especially since Klavier essentially lucked out.
Also, 17-year-old Klavier's prosecutorial skills are about on the level of Winston Payne; Phoenix was mopping the floor with Gavin until he fell into Kristoph's trap.
Also, 17-year-old Klavier's prosecutorial skills are about on the level of Winston Payne; Phoenix was mopping the floor with Gavin until he fell into Kristoph's trap.
I second that
Franziska's assistant should be
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I imagine Franny's assistant would usually address her as "Miss Karma", but will call her by her first name in special cases.
Sudden thought: When they meet, Franny's new assistant calls her "Franziska", and then Franny whips him and says, "FOOL! Do not address me in such a casual tone!" (Franny blushes)
I could go on all day with ideas like this. >__<
Sudden thought: When they meet, Franny's new assistant calls her "Franziska", and then Franny whips him and says, "FOOL! Do not address me in such a casual tone!" (Franny blushes)
I could go on all day with ideas like this. >__<
Well I;d like to see Adrian & Franny in these situations
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What about Kay? She's the Great Thief who steals the truth, so she help Franziska just like she did with Edgeworth!
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Yes I agree! She should be an important witness in a case or two, but not an assistant!
What about Kay? She's the Great Thief who steals the truth, so she help Franziska just like she did with Edgeworth!
What about Kay? She's the Great Thief who steals the truth, so she help Franziska just like she did with Edgeworth!
Maybe Adrian becomes her secretary, and Kay becomes her assistant. Me:And they eventually fall in love. Myself: NO!
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Auraion wrote:
Indochine Ramera wrote:
Yes I agree! She should be an important witness in a case or two, but not an assistant!
What about Kay? She's the Great Thief who steals the truth, so she help Franziska just like she did with Edgeworth!
What about Kay? She's the Great Thief who steals the truth, so she help Franziska just like she did with Edgeworth!
Maybe Adrian becomes her secretary, and Kay becomes her assistant. Me:And they eventually fall in love. Myself: NO!
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I'm so late with this whole AAI conversation since the stupid store I ordered the game from failed me and I got my copy like a week later than I should've. *rage*
But anyway, I'm a devoted Franzy-fangirl so she was the biggest reason I was looking forward to AAI so much. I knew she was going to be there but still I squealed with joy when she made her appearance.
I love seeing her interact with Miles, and even more with Manfred.
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And to confirm an earlier statement about Franny and Manfred, She really did refer to her father as "Papa" twice in GS2.
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