Yes it is. But I think all he says is something about how people like to rent boats and stuff. He doesn't mention Phoenix.

... which means the bridge, not Phoenix is an examinable area, which is what I said. You get that comment no matter where you're standing or facing on the bridge.

Why is that airplane so freaking' big!? I mean an elevator AND a restaurant floor? That's like...wow...

Who was the real Proto Badger and what happened with the Photo Rally?

No one knows.... OOOoooOOOoooOOOooo...
But, seriously, they never say.

It's never explicitly stated who the Proto Badger is, but from his mannerisms and such, you can tell that it's the Bellboy.

The Photo Rally is completely forgotten after Lance is confronted, though. :\

So for case 4. I was wondering if we're to suppose that Edgey in case 4 is the same Edgey that Phoenix would soon confront in Ace Attorney.... Then what's with the contradiction? In case 4 Edgey went to the trouble of saving Gumshoe and finding the real culprit. In Ace Attorney he didn't seem to care if he was getting an innocent person proclaimed guilty. Which is weird considering that you'd think Edgey's investigative skills would have brought him to the same conclusions as Phoenix.

I wouldn't say it was that he was in a rush to settle a verdict and no this wasn't the Edgeworth Phoenix was soon to confront. It was the Edgeworth Mia was soon to confront.

In order to live up to the Von Karma name (a hefty theme in Case 4) the 'perfect' investigation needed to be performed. Now considering all they had was the Judges' testimony and the fact Gumshoe was standing guard at the door to suggest he was the killer, it's not exactly a 'perfect' investigation now is it? Especially when they had already started investigating the scene and discovered other evidence that would otherwise go unsolved.

If anything it was Yew who was in a rush to pin the blame the Gumshoe and see him guilty but anyways...
Edgeworth didn't care for getting Gumshoe off the hook, but the investigation wasn't 'perfectly' complete when he was accused. It's this that drives him to finish the investigation, Franziska too so really he just finished his investigation.

Because at the end of the day to a Von Karma it doesn't matter who gets the guilty verdict so long as someone ends up convicted.

Regardless of that Edgeworth being the one Mia would face. It's still the same one Phoenix faced before Edgey's enlightenment. My thought though is that despite the perfect investigation thing and being someone more of a jerk at times. AAI Case 4 Edgey seems to be not much different from present day Edgey. I guess that's where I'm confused cause if I look at PW: AA that Edgeworth wouldn't have gone through the trouble of saving Gumshoe in my view.

I actually agree with you here. Edgeworth PW doesn't care two shakes about a "perfect investigation" - he just prosecutes who the DA tells him to. And in his first case as prosecutor he was very willing to hide information from the court rather than try and fit it into his explanation. GK-4 Edgeworth is a lot more forgiving and fair than other flashback versions of him.

But while he may prosecute who the DA tells him to, that hasn't happened yet. If you ran out of life and Gummy was arrested, and then Edgey was the prosecutor for the case, I'm sure he would've tried to get a guilty verdict for Gummy. But since he was just conducting the investigation, and since there were some loose ends, he was probably more willing to investigate.

While I think that case4!Edgey is a lot closer to enlightened!Edgey than AA!Edgey, the fact that it was just for an investigation, and not an actual trial, can be used to explain his actions, and while he may not have acted exactly as one would expect from AA and 3-4, it can still be salvaged from being completed OOC.

In the beginning of the fourth case, von Karma says that Cece was an employee at the Amano Group. However, several websites say that she worked at the Cohdopian Embassy. I'm currently writing a fic in which Cece will have a large role, and this is driving me insane. Is the embassy detail just a mistake, or did she work there at some point, too?

That IS odd....sure your not mixing her up with Deid Mann victim of the second KG-8 incident who worked at the Cohdopian Embassy?

Yeah, I'm sure. For example, Cece's page at the Ace Attorney Wiki says she worked at the Cohdopian Embassy. Manny Coachen's profile at Court Records says, "and even went so far as to murder fellow employee Cece Yew when she was about to reveal their secrets."

I would trust the game over websites. But even if Manny Manfred (argh, that's why I hate Manny) said Cece worked for the Amano Group at the beginning of case 4, the game might contradict itself and there could've been another part of the case (or in case 5) where it said Cece worked at the Cohdopian Embassy. Whether she worked at the Amano Group or the embassy, she was in a good location to learn about the smuggling ring, so we can't use logic to eliminate one of the options...

I just replayed this case, but I don't remember any mention of where she worked...

She worked for the Amano Group. The first time through the game I misread and thought she worked for the embassy same as Deed did, so that was up on the site, and I still have to finish a few updates.

Did anyone else think that Kay got kidnapped by Calisto at the end of case 4? Was that what the creators were hinting at a bit? At the time, I speculated that after killing Kay's father, Calisto took Kay away with her while running out of the courthouse and made Kay the successor to the Yatagarasu, which is why Kay kept calling herself the Yatagarasu in case 3. Kind of like how Manfred von Karma killed Miles' father, and then raised Miles as the successor to the von Karma name. Of course, literally five seconds later, Kay tells you that she went off to live with her mother's family. And that she was following in her father's footsteps as the Yatagarasu. It was a bit of a let-down.

I don't think it was ever implied that Calisto kidnapped Kay. Edgeworth had no idea Von Karma was responsible for his father's death, so he had no problems being raised by him. Kay was there, and might have overheard Edgey's confrontation, and therefore knew (or has an idea) that Calisto killed her father. So she wouldn't agree to be raised by Calisto. Besides, I think Calisto would see Kay more as a burden if she had to raise her. She got the key back, and that's all she needed. Kay's insistence that she was the Yatagarasu was because she found Little Thief on her dad's bookself (or something like that).

After they told you the truth about where Kay went, I obviously stopped thinking about the whole kidnapping thing, but they made such a big deal about "I wonder where Kay is, we should go find her" at the end of that case that it was the first thing that jumped into my mind. I couldn't figure out why they talked about it so much if it wasn't going to be important. So I was pretty annoyed when they were just like, "Oh, Kay went to live with her mother's family."

Also, I did notice the whole part where Kay found her father's secret diary and Little Thief. That part wasn't until right after the part I'm talking about, though, so up to that point I still thought that Calisto was the Yatagarasu.

Anyway, even if it doesn't make much sense, I just wanted to know if anyone had the same spontaneous thought as I did on that part. That's all.

Did they screw up the ages in this case? Because from what I gathered from the previous cases, there's a two year age gap between Franziska and Kay, but in Case 4, Kay is 10, while Franziska is 13, meaning there's a three year age gap. Also, shouldn't Edgeworth be 19 in the case, not 20 (or have I just been thinking about this wrong the whole time? I've always been under the impression that AAI takes place in about the same time frame as T&T, and that would make him 26 during AAI)

But by looking at the timeline, I think that I've worked out that Franziska and Edgeworth are a year too old, but Manfred's age seems right.

The only explanation I can think of is that it's a clue to when the characters' birthdays are, but seeing as none of the AA characters have any confirmed birthdays...

Yeah, I think they made a mistake there with the ages and years, once again. AAI takes place about a month after T&T (in March, whereas 3-5 is in Feb, and judging by Gumshoe and Franziska's ages it should be in the same year). Case 4 takes place "7 years ago", but if you go by Franziska and Gumshoe's (and Edgeworth himself, being at 26) ages in case 4, it seems more like 6 years ago. However, Kay's age matches up, and going by the timeline it'd actually be 7 and half years ago.

But then again, Edgey's age has always been a paradox. He was 20 when he debuted in Feb 16, 2012, yet in March 20 2018 (2-4 case), a little over 6 years later, he is 25 (he only aged 5 years in 6 years?). An explanation could be that when he "debuted at age 20", he's not actually 20 yet, but is going to turn 20 later in the year. And in 2-4, he hasn't passed his 26th birtday yet, so his age is listed at 25 (ie there's a discrepancy in how the ages are counted in those cases) I can't remember if it explicitly said Edgey was 20 during AAI-4, maybe he actually is 19 at that time (ie he turned 19 that year)

With Franziska, you have: Sept 2011 Franzy = 13; Mar 2019 Franzy = 19. So at the time of AAI-4, Franziska is actually 12 going on 13 (she will be turning 13 some time between Sept - Dec that year). But the rest of AAI, she's actually 19 going on 20 (of course, then there's the glaring contradiction between 2-2 and 2-4, in that her age didn't change, even though 2-2 was June and 2-4 was March the year after)

In summary, Capcom can't count XD But Edgey's probably 19 going on 20, and Franziska is 12 going on 13 in AAI-4

Why was the smuggling ring smuggling Alef Red? I mean, if they were smuggling Babahlese ink and counterfeit Zheng Fa bills, I don't see where the statue fits in...

For money, what else? It's safer to diversify your business activities.

*sigh* I suppose...

I just wish that then they had said something in case 5 that the smuggling ring's main thing was the counterfeit bills, or that that's what Interpol was concentrating on at the moment. I interpreted it as the counterfeit bills were the only things they were smuggling, but oh well...

Manny did have a safe full of stolen artifacts. I think Franziska said they were priceless national treasures, same as Alif Red. With an operation as big as Alba's it's easy to imagine they were trafficking in all sorts of goods--they were focusing on the bills because they were devastating Zheng Fa's economy (and if they get them for the bills they pretty much get them for everything).

The three raven's legs on the Yatagarasu emblem presumably represent its three members, but do they mean anything on Alba's directives cards?

He's bragging about his penis. Ignore him.

I don't think it's ever specified, but the Yatagarasu is seen as a very powerful being in general, sometimes acting as a symbol of divine intervention. That's probably why Alba chose it, without any extra symbolism.

Is the Judge on Case 4 the same judge in the GS games (Udgey) ?