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*SPOILERS* Shih-na ~ Whats the story?
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The seeds of intrigue for me arose when she said that she "Was born to betray everyone from the start" which made it sound like she had a rough childhood which could have lead her to the smuggling ring. This could be supported by her cold and callous (no pun intended) demeanor and the sympathetic/thankful remark she makes to Lang after he took Badd's bullet for her. This could be as a result of finally having someone who trusted and looked out for her even after she revealed her true personality.
But thats just my opinion, what do you guys think about Shih-na's past and motivations?
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Re: *SPOILERS* Shih-na ~ Whats the story?
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Its revealed that Calisto Yew was a false name that she used to be able to keep surveilence on those involved.
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zachariah Von-Karma wrote:
:objection: Its revealed that Calisto Yew was a false name that she used to be able to keep surveilence on those involved.
How can you be sure?
In the Seers' prophecy they described a vile woman who spoke in lies and deceit and trickery who was the greatest evil the truth-finder would ever encounter though he may not realise it.
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zachariah Von-Karma wrote:
:objection: Its revealed that Calisto Yew was a false name that she used to be able to keep surveilence on those involved.
Actually, for that matter, how the hell can we even be sure of what she really looks like? She could be just layering one disguise on top of another like some sort of hellish Scooby Doo villain.
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Pierre wrote:
zachariah Von-Karma wrote:
:objection: Its revealed that Calisto Yew was a false name that she used to be able to keep surveilence on those involved.
How can you be sure?
In the Seers' prophecy they described a vile woman who spoke in lies and deceit and trickery who was the greatest evil the truth-finder would ever encounter though he may not realise it.
Guess both Calisto Yew and Shih-na are false names, as well as her both appeareances. She's not sister of Cece Yew, is she? Is she really black-haired? Does she really have freckles? All we know about her is that she laughs often.
I don't know why, but I love such evil female characters like her and Dahlia.
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? She probably went insane after constant laughs and joined the smuggling ring, with the laugh. Moe did mention a daughter, for those who forgot. Real theory: Moe had some connections to the smuggling ring hidden beneath his annoying clown facade, and his daughter became a member like her father.
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Re: *SPOILERS* Shih-na ~ Whats the story?
prosecuting never looked so good ;)
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Detective Luke Atmey wrote:
Crack theory: Has anyone thought about her laugh? I think she might have inherited it from ? She probably went insane after constant laughs and joined the smuggling ring, with the laugh. Moe did mention a daughter, for those who forgot.
Real theory: Moe had some connections to the smuggling ring hidden beneath his annoying clown facade, and his daughter became a member like her father.
? She probably went insane after constant laughs and joined the smuggling ring, with the laugh. Moe did mention a daughter, for those who forgot. Real theory: Moe had some connections to the smuggling ring hidden beneath his annoying clown facade, and his daughter became a member like her father.
Wow, i'm impressed i had forotten about Moe's laugh and he does mention a daughter. That is actually a good theory, but i have to shoot at it by saying that the flashback case is before the events off T&T'S flashback cases meaning ,looking at the timelines, Moe's daughter probably would not have been born. As i recall he says his daughter in JFA was only young but like Regina in her teens (Aprx about my age 17 i think)
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zachariah Von-Karma wrote:
Detective Luke Atmey wrote:
Crack theory: Has anyone thought about her laugh? I think she might have inherited it from ? She probably went insane after constant laughs and joined the smuggling ring, with the laugh. Moe did mention a daughter, for those who forgot.
Real theory: Moe had some connections to the smuggling ring hidden beneath his annoying clown facade, and his daughter became a member like her father.
? She probably went insane after constant laughs and joined the smuggling ring, with the laugh. Moe did mention a daughter, for those who forgot. Real theory: Moe had some connections to the smuggling ring hidden beneath his annoying clown facade, and his daughter became a member like her father.
Wow, i'm impressed i had forotten about Moe's laugh and he does mention a daughter. That is actually a good theory, but i have to shoot at it by saying that the flashback case is before the events off T&T'S flashback cases meaning ,looking at the timelines, Moe's daughter probably would not have been born. As i recall he says his daughter in JFA was only young but like Regina in her teens (Aprx about my age 17 i think)
AAI is said to take place between Trials and Tribulations and Justice for All, so my theory is still plausible!
Also, has anyone else considered a possible relation to Luke Atmey? (again, insane laugh, a corrupt official posing as if they were out for justice.)
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Speaking of her true identity, what about Cece Yew? Did she actually have a sister called Calisto? (This might have been mentioned in the game but it's been a while since I've played AAI. Too long.)
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Yellow Magician wrote:
Speaking of her true identity, what about Cece Yew? Did she actually have a sister called Calisto?
At the end of AAI, Badd says: "Cece Yew...never had a sister." Which suggests that either the ring was somehow able to falsify Cece's background records, or the police were too dumb to even check. (This is, after all, the AA universe.)
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Is there any point in speculating about Yew/Shih-na? I mean, I think it's pretty cool how mysterious she is and what little info we have about her. She's one of my favorite Ace Attorney characters, right up there with Godot and Kristoph. All these characters pretty much have the same thing in common: we don't know much about them. Well, we do know a lot more about Godot than we do Kristoph or Ms. I Have A Million Aliases, but still, he's very mysterious in the beginning to the player.
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I also agree with whoever said that Calisto Yew would be the type of person to join a smuggling ring just for the hell of it. She gives off that "let's fuck up everybody's situation for the lolz" vibe.
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Re: *SPOILERS* Shih-na ~ Whats the story?
prosecuting never looked so good ;)
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Detective Luke Atmey wrote:
zachariah Von-Karma wrote:
Detective Luke Atmey wrote:
Crack theory: Has anyone thought about her laugh? I think she might have inherited it from ? She probably went insane after constant laughs and joined the smuggling ring, with the laugh. Moe did mention a daughter, for those who forgot.
Real theory: Moe had some connections to the smuggling ring hidden beneath his annoying clown facade, and his daughter became a member like her father.
? She probably went insane after constant laughs and joined the smuggling ring, with the laugh. Moe did mention a daughter, for those who forgot. Real theory: Moe had some connections to the smuggling ring hidden beneath his annoying clown facade, and his daughter became a member like her father.
Wow, i'm impressed i had forotten about Moe's laugh and he does mention a daughter. That is actually a good theory, but i have to shoot at it by saying that the flashback case is before the events off T&T'S flashback cases meaning ,looking at the timelines, Moe's daughter probably would not have been born. As i recall he says his daughter in JFA was only young but like Regina in her teens (Aprx about my age 17 i think)
AAI is said to take place between Trials and Tribulations and Justice for All, so my theory is still plausible!
Also, has anyone else considered a possible relation to Luke Atmey? (again, insane laugh, a corrupt official posing as if they were out for justice.) That may be so, But AAI-4 takes place chronologiacally before T&T-4 meaning she was already a grown adult before Mia had her first court appearence (a month before to be precise) so My arguement is still valid.
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zachariah Von-Karma wrote:
Wow, i'm impressed i had forotten about Moe's laugh and he does mention a daughter. That is actually a good theory, but i have to shoot at it by saying that the flashback case is before the events off T&T'S flashback cases meaning ,looking at the timelines, Moe's daughter probably would not have been born. As i recall he says his daughter in JFA was only young but like Regina in her teens (Aprx about my age 17 i think)
AAI is said to take place between Trials and Tribulations and Justice for All, so my theory is still plausible!
Also, has anyone else considered a possible relation to Luke Atmey? (again, insane laugh, a corrupt official posing as if they were out for justice.)[/quote] That may be so, But AAI-4 takes place chronologiacally before T&T-4 meaning she was already a grown adult before Mia had her first court appearence (a month before to be precise) so My arguement is still valid.[/quote]Aha! But you still haven't disproved the fact that she may be related to Luke Atmey! Calisto Yew isn't her real name, and Shih-Na may not be either, who's to say her real last name isn't Atmey?!
Re: *SPOILERS* Shih-na ~ Whats the story?
prosecuting never looked so good ;)
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[/quote]In regerds to that claim i have no objections. She could easily have a relation to Luke Atmey, i mean she has the laugh, as well as the arrogant smile and dismissive attitude. The only qualms i have would be the cause of the laugh. as atmey would laugh as an act of desperation, where yew/shih-na laughed when anyone was serious. but other than that i havent got no problems with it.
My objection was to the whole possibility of it being their Daughters, as in the timelines it would not have been possible.
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Re: *SPOILERS* Shih-na ~ Whats the story?
prosecuting never looked so good ;)
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Detective Luke Atmey wrote:
True, but her breakdown with the insane laugh further proves my theory possible.
While you may think that its unlikely for a few reasons. Atmey's laugh is his breakdown, by saying thats what relates the two is absurd. By saying that your also saying there is the possibility of her being related to Gant, Kristoph or just about anyone who laughs. Plus Yew laughs naturally throughout the course of her appearence, even doing the second level of hysterics casually, only doing her final insane laugh at the start of the end in AAI after being beaten. (This could also have been because of her having to keep her true nature, I.E. the laugh, hidden while posing as Lang's assisstant Shih-na for a number of years.But here is my solid evidence: (i draw your attention the highlighted areas)
1984 Sal Manella, Luke Atmey and Plum Kitaki born
1985 Diego Armando and Angel Starr born
1986 Detective Gumshoe, Ben, Lamiroir, and Thalassa Gramarye born
1987 Terry Fawles, Lana Skye and Manny Coachen born
1988 Dustin Prince born.
1989 Mia Fey, Jacques Portsman, Buddy Faith, Calisto Yew and Ka-Shi Nou born
This shows that there was only 5 years between the two being born meaning that any theories that they are Father-Daughter are false and impossible.
The arguement that they are related at all is also highly unlikely. I can say this safely because, during the investigation in T&T, Atmey says he is an only child. Also, i can prove Atmey had no connection to the Smuggling ring as he keeps all the profits from his hiests to himself, as well as the fact that if the two were related, Atmey would most likely have known about the smuggling ring and been a part of it due to his "sisters" position, but he clearly has no connections to either the Alba ring, Cadaverini outfit or Kitaki syndicate.
(try to disprove that.)
Another nail in the coffin is when Badd says in AAI-5, Ka-shi-Nou (born same year as Yew) was only immitating mask*demasque, who had given up the game only a few months back. Proving that AAI case 5 takes place after the events off T&T, meaning that Mask*deMasque was only present before the Yatagarasu re-appeared. On a related notewe can also see that there is no connection between aliases as both of their M.O's are completly the opposite. The Yatagarasu was a vigilante made up of 3 people with the costumed persona only being a figment of the media, whereas Mask*deMasque was a known costumed thief not a vigilante, Yatagarasu revealed secrets whereas deMasque horded greed, and as stated by Badd, the yatagarasu never announced his appearance until after the hiest, mirroring deMasques announcement before the hiests. This proves without a shadow of a doubt that the two are not connected in any way.
The final nail in this is the blatantly obvious fact that if there was any connection to yew or the ring, the prosecutor at Atmey's trial would have been Portsman, not edgeworth or Payne , and upon losing he would have been assassinated for failing and being a risk to Alba and Yew, in a style similar to how Portsman feared.
That is my arguement, now try and find evidence to refute this, and be sensible. (please, i enjoy this type of arguement
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Spoiler: AAI, T&T
By the way, part about Atmey in smuggling ring is just a what-if scenario.
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Detective Luke Atmey wrote:
AAI is said to take place between Trials and Tribulations and Justice for All, so my theory is still plausible!
Also, has anyone else considered a possible relation to Luke Atmey? (again, insane laugh, a corrupt official posing as if they were out for justice.)Slight correction there, Detective. AAI takes place in-between Trials and Tribulations and Apollo Justice, not Justice for All and Trials and Tribulations.
Spoiler: Case 4-4
Also, I have at least one theory involving Shih-na:
Spoiler: AAI Case 5
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Little_Thief wrote:
Detective Luke Atmey wrote:
AAI is said to take place between Trials and Tribulations and Justice for All, so my theory is still plausible!
Also, has anyone else considered a possible relation to Luke Atmey? (again, insane laugh, a corrupt official posing as if they were out for justice.)Slight correction there, Detective. AAI takes place in-between Trials and Tribulations and Apollo Justice, not Justice for All and Trials and Tribulations.
Spoiler: Case 4-4
Curses, foiled again!
Re: *SPOILERS* Shih-na ~ Whats the story?
prosecuting never looked so good ;)
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Detective Luke Atmey wrote:
Little_Thief wrote:
Detective Luke Atmey wrote:
AAI is said to take place between Trials and Tribulations and Justice for All, so my theory is still plausible!
Also, has anyone else considered a possible relation to Luke Atmey? (again, insane laugh, a corrupt official posing as if they were out for justice.)Slight correction there, Detective. AAI takes place in-between Trials and Tribulations and Apollo Justice, not Justice for All and Trials and Tribulations.
Spoiler: Case 4-4
Curses, foiled again!
Thank you for that. now do you see the flaw in your logic?
Your arguement was very good and your evidence to back it up was exceptional. Buuuuuuuuuuuut, "only one truth prevails!"
but i enjoyed this tete-a-tete greatly. we must have another sometime.
Also thank you Little_Thief for your much appreciated support, and interesting theory
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zachariah Von-Karma wrote:
Detective Luke Atmey wrote:
Little_Thief wrote:
Slight correction there, Detective. AAI takes place in-between Trials and Tribulations and Apollo Justice, not Justice for All and Trials and Tribulations.
Spoiler: Case 4-4
Curses, foiled again!
Thank you for that. now do you see the flaw in your logic?
Your arguement was very good and your evidence to back it up was exceptional. Buuuuuuuuuuuut, "only one truth prevails!"
but i enjoyed this tete-a-tete greatly. we must have another sometime.
Also thank you Little_Thief for your much appreciated support, and interesting theory
You still haven't looked at the last post I made, look at it and tell me your thoughts.
Re: *SPOILERS* Shih-na ~ Whats the story?
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You still haven't looked at the last post I made, look at it and tell me your thoughts.Oh, no i read your post, and while i agree that the whole connection between yatagarasu and DeMasque was a tangent, i only included it to show that in terms of alternate persona they were complete polar opposites and there could be no connection in that area.
As for the idea of them being cousins, i cannot prove or disprove that entirely as it could be the same situation as Maya/Dahlia, although unlikely.
I doubt that Atmey had any ties to any of the Criminal families as for the same reason as the smuggling ring, if he was sent to jail he might become a liability due to his treacherous personality, meaning they would try to get him exterminated so that he would no longer be able to implicate them. As you stated Yew would not have been able to defend him as she would have been on the run, but in the first demasque trial Godot was the prosecutor, and of what we saw of his second trial Payne was prosecuting meaning that Portsman was not present for either of the trials. You are correct in assuming he might have had another trial to deal with. but even if he wasnt the prosecutor, the ring would have gotten him to plant false evidence or to tamper with the existing evidence since he would have had access to it. As phoenix was able to get him convicted it is safe to assume that no evidence was tampered with and he only false evidence submitted was the security footage that Atmey himself gave in, which was later countered in the defence.
You do propose a good theory, but the fact that they are both corrupt officials with snarky grins is nothing I.E. VonKarma
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Kristoph Quod Erat Demonstrandum.in retrospect, the character with the most likely connection to the smuggling ring who has a snarky grin was Wellington
It even said in his trial that he was in close contact with a "group of con artists." who's to say it wasnt a small faction of the larger ring or connected to the Amano conglomerate?
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Re: *SPOILERS* Shih-na ~ Whats the story?
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1. Bluecorp is a company that specialises in "getting information"
2. it was stated more than once that they had control over the police force (maybe seeing as Gant was a corrupt official) As well as ties to the prosecutors office.(allowing him to request portsman to purposely tamper with evidence or lose intentionally.)
3. they often resorted to criminal acts to obtain information such as wiretaps
4. Redd White went so far as to kill a Lawyer just to protect the companies image.
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