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But isn't Klavier like.. 16 around this time?
Well, if we were to say that this case takes place after 'that case' then, Klavier should be around 17 to 18 years of age...
You were born on the same day as your birthday, right?
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he is a rich old man who helped out edgeworth with his connections when he was younger...
his son was kidnapped and he asked edgeworth to deliver the ransom (which he carries in the suitcase he got from the previous case...)
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Right after case 2 Edgeworth gets a call from Jouichirou Amanogawa, who as Swiegwo said helped Edgeworth out in some way while he was studying abroad (presumably while he was under Karma's care?). His son Hikaru was kidnapped and he had Edgeworth deliver the ransom, at a Blue Badger theme park (Bando Land). But he gets knocked out right after giving up the money and Hikaru is not released (there's a screen shot of him about to be smacked up on the main site now, in the screenshots section. Oh god it's so creepy!)
Edgeworth wakes up tied up in a back room. He's rescued by Kay, and when the bust out they meet up with Gumshoe, Rou, and Shiina. While trying to figure out what happened to Hikaru they instead find a dead body, Hikaru's private tutor Masumi Ogura. At first Rou accuses Meekins but Edgeworth ends up clearing him. You also meet Himeko Orito, Hikaru's boyfriend, who claims her "women's intuition" drew her to the site of the kidnapping when she felt something was wrong.
Lots of investigation later Hikaru appears out of nowhere claiming to have escaped his kidnappers, and implicates his girlfriend, but Edgeworth eventually proves that there never was a kidnapping plot: similar to the Dahlia situation Hikaru, Himeko, and Ogura were all in it together so they could get enough money to pay back Hikaru's debts at Tender Lender. Hikaru and Himeko then claim that Ogura betrayed them partway through the plot and tried to kill them, which is why Himeko ended up shooting him in self defense.
But THEN Edgeworth proves that Ogura is actually Himeko's father, who disappeared when she was very young (so young she had no way of recognizing him now). Himeko is heartbroken to hear she killed her own father, but then they find out that the gun she had at the time was actually a fake used at the park. It was Hikaru that comitted the actual murder long before they originally thought, just before Edgeworth passed off the money at the Mirror House.
In an effort to save his son Jouichirou tries to forge some evidene and even buys the Mirror House from the park to try and prevent Edgeworth from continuing his investigation, but Kay uses her handy crime scene recreation tool to fill in the gaps in the story anyway, and ultimately Hikaru confesses. Rou then uses the fact that Jouichirou forged evidence as a pretext to haul him in for questioning - which apparently was his intention all along, because of Jouichirou's involvement in an old case that Rou wants solved.
At the end Kay reveals that she and Edgeworth first met years ago, setting up for case 4.
I thought the case was pretty good! Except I got sick of seeing the stupid badger costumes by the end - just about everyone was wearing one. Kinda hard to keep track of.
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Also yes the intro to the case is VERY creepy. Seriously, look it up, a blue badger (with no eyes) creeps up behind Edgeworth and knocks him out with a sword. Not to mention this all takes place inside the Haunted House.
God if i was there i would've been scared to hell.
One more thing, the timeline for this game. I recall at the end of Case 1 Edgeworth has flashbacks to the events of Cases 2&3. So that would mean Case 2&3 happen before Case 1. Whcih would explain Yuuki's appearance at the end of Case 3.
Also i would really like to know what Edgeworth asks Sheena (Shina, whatever) at the end of the case when Rou walks off, and what she replies. It seems like something important.
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Also, there's something I noticed. For those of you who've played, you know that the 'murder' that Oldbag witnessed was actually fake. Himeko was standing below, while Hikaru stood on the stage and 'allowed himself to be shot' through the stomach and the shoulder. However, the actual murder happened in the Horror House, when Hikaru shot Ogura, which doesn't explain why the bullet went in from the stomach and out from the shoulder. Unless Ogura is a giant and Hikaru is a dwarf... Or that Hikaru was crouching while Ogura stood. But what I understood was that Hikaru hadn't meant to kill Ogura; he did it because Ogura suddenly attacked him. Did I misunderstand something?
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The strange wounds on Ogura did confuse me at first too, but I think what must have happened was that Ogura pushed Hikaru onto the floor, and he shot from there. As far as I remembere it wasn't fully addressed but it's the only thing that makes sense.
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[s]If you ask me, this is about as immature as Godot's taking Phoenix responsible for Mia's death, but ah well.[/s]
Personally i think if your family's life gets ruined that's a little more valid reason to be pissed off than your girlfriend dieing.
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The strange wounds on Ogura did confuse me at first too, but I think what must have happened was that Ogura pushed Hikaru onto the floor, and he shot from there. As far as I remembere it wasn't fully addressed but it's the only thing that makes sense.
Okura threw Hikaru to the floor and sat ontop of him to pin him down when Hikaru shot him right in the stomach from below, which explains the path the bullet took (if he had shot Okura from the stage he would have had to shoot him in the back, one of many oversights in this case).
The case itself wasn't that great really. Again no big surprises or turnabouts, and the whole "ZOMG the real murder took place somewhere else" would have been better if it wasn't reused in two consecutive cases. I did like the characters though. Mikumo is a lot less annoying than I thought she'd be, Rou and Shiina are pretty awesome (love the theme song and the AMAI NA shout too) and Himeko is too cute
The whole part about Jouichirou trying to save his son by buying him out was nice too.
Still, the costumes got annoying and the contradictions had too many "doesn't fit into the timeframe" and "left and right are mixed up" for me. Also the logic falls apart toward the end. How does it matter what hand he held the sword in? A forehand blow from a right handed person and a backhand blow from a left handed person will have the sword hit at the same place in the same position. If a left handed person delivers a forehand blow he'll obviously strike the other side of the head, so we know what part of the sword hit his head after he said it was on the right side.
Also, Hikaru can hit someone in the head right over the temple with his offhand but can't point a gun (without intent to shoot) with it? How does that make sense?
The whole part about the rain and the tires of the car wasn't fully thought through either. I hope the last two cases are a bit better thought out.
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Still, the costumes got annoying and the contradictions had too many "doesn't fit into the timeframe" and "left and right are mixed up" for me. Also the logic falls apart toward the end. How does it matter what hand he held the sword in? A forehand blow from a right handed person and a backhand blow from a left handed person will have the sword hit at the same place in the same position. If a left handed person delivers a forehand blow he'll obviously strike the other side of the head, so we know what part of the sword hit his head after he said it was on the right side.
Also, Hikaru can hit someone in the head right over the temple with his offhand but can't point a gun (without intent to shoot) with it? How does that make sense?
The whole part about the rain and the tires of the car wasn't fully thought through either. I hope the last two cases are a bit better thought out.
Also, Hikaru can hit someone in the head right over the temple with his offhand but can't point a gun (without intent to shoot) with it? How does that make sense?
The whole part about the rain and the tires of the car wasn't fully thought through either. I hope the last two cases are a bit better thought out.
Are you sure you didn't just miss a few key details there? I doubt the case's structure is as messy as your making it sound (can any case be more messy than 2-3?). I played the case, (admittedly i know very limited Japanese, though enough to know AMAI NA means YOU AMATURE or something along those lines) but it didn't seem that bad too me.
I also laughed big time at Oldbag being in the Pink Badger costume (and really only Meekins, Oldbag, and Hikaru were wearing the costumes at any given time). Ema's appearance was cool too. Plus this is definetaly one of the first AA intro's to freak me out big time. Overall i liked the case, Kay's little virtual device was pretty awesome too, and a big slap in the face for Jouichirou. OH and don't forget the Blue Badger song remix!
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Wait, the bullet path was okay, they just swapped the position of victim and murderer.
I think the only real messups may be the sword, and why Hikaru held the gun in his left hand after he used his right hand with the sword to make himself look like Okura, which maybe is more of a "how can someone be so stupid" kind of thing.
Yeah, the simulation device part is neat. I like how they have magic on the defense side (magatama/ armring) and sci-fi on the prosecutor side.
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I don't remember there being any blatant contradictions, but I did wonder for a while how anyone thought that Ogura and Himeko could both hold each other at gunpoint, when earlier they talked about how improbable it would be for the murderer to even have ONE gun if not a cop.
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Ryu-kun wrote:
You were replaying the anyway weren't you? Watch for when they prove that the one who knocked Michan down must have been wearing the Proto-Taihokun costume because the blow must have been done with the right hand. There is no logic whatsoever to why it couldn't have been done with the left.
Oh no, I totally agree, I'm just not sure if that counts as a "contradiction" or if it's just one of those "are they that dumb!?" issues. It should have been up to Rou to point that out, but since he didn't... Well maybe I'll throw it in the contradictions thread anyway.
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I do think it's the first time they arrive at an important conclusion based on totally flawed logic though.
Other that in AJ when the car wouldn't start because there were panties in it - no way that actually works.
Ok, I'm gonna put it up. The contradiction thread is so lonely.
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Croik wrote:
Okay seriously, has anyone been able to confirm the Phoenix cameo in this chapter? I've played through the case twice now and can't find him. There's only one point in the game where you can even get to that bridge in the one screenshot that's available, and I didn't find him. What is the deal??
If memory serves, when you are about to look at the costume Gumshoe and co. found in the tall grass out by the main gate (towards the end of the case, but long before the one that 丈一郎 brings out), instead of going ahead and looking at the costume, you hit もどる and back out. The happy group on a rowboat should be in the background then, despite the inability to talk with them -_-;
Either that, or it's right after you get booted from the Stage Area, I think, but I think that's the timeframe you already tried.
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If memory serves, when you are about to look at the costume Gumshoe and co. found in the tall grass out by the main gate (towards the end of the case, but long before the one that 丈一郎 brings out), instead of going ahead and looking at the costume, you hit もどる and back out. The happy group on a rowboat should be in the background then, despite the inability to talk with them -_-;
That's where I tried it. I even sat around for a while thinking maybe they would row by, but nothing! Guess I'll have to try again.
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Croik wrote:
That's where I tried it. I even sat around for a while thinking maybe they would row by, but nothing! Guess I'll have to try again.
Ah, I see. Well, then it must be around where you get booted.
Right after you get booted from the Stage Area, 丈一郎 comes and asks you about his son and then you talk about checking out the hideout, I think. Before you go into the hideout, you can go to the main gate.
The background is static, so they're either there or they're not >.>;
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This case seems stuffed full of AJ references the Gavinners stage, and I even think something said part of "Troupe Gramarye", Well....it only went up to the G, but that's kind of what you have to assume, eh?
i just saw it and was like o.O
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That said, the whole huge police force had something awesome about it, and the ending of the case is a pretty big holy shit moment.
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The biggest thing I don't get is, where did Lauren get those scissors and why is she threatening to cut her hair? Is there something I missed? (Although her ring pop was pretty awesome xD)
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Think of it this way (I'm sorry the representations are so rough, but's its a lot easier to see it!):
Edgeworth's head ("O"), with the attack on the right side of his head ("x")
Ox
Right-handed person - the hand-grip ("D") is facing to the right, and the blood ("x") is on the left side of the blade relative to the attacker. The attacker can use a forehand blow to hit the right side of Edgeworth's head
x I
. D
Now, for a left-handed person, the blade and the grip must be flipped. So for a left-handed person, the hand-grip ("q") is facing left, and the blood ("x") is on the right side of the blade relative to the attacker. It's the mirror image of the sword above.
. I x
.q
But, in this case, how does the person hit the right side of Edgeworth's head with the right side of their blade? A forehand blow is impossible - a backhand blow would result in the blood being on the LEFT side of the blade. For the attacker to get the blood on the right side of the blade, he would have to twist his wrist to an unnatural angle.
This is all based on one big assumption - that the sword can only be gripped by the "correct" way with the hand-grip covering the fingers. The game doesn't specify this until after you make the connection, though!
A bigger contradiction, in my mind, is why did they need to do all the reasoning about the angled hallway? Wouldn't the blueprints have shown that it was there?
I was ROTFL at the Clue reference, though. That was awesome.
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Aside from that, I don't understand why Amano (the father) was detained for forging evidence since he didn't touch the evidence, he only took them to do forensics, or am I wrong?
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