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I've wondered where it is but in all honesty I'm no Geography buff so my half-assed guess would be that it is a Mediterranean country, possibly an island, near Greece or Turkey.
Let's discuss the (fictional) country, and offer up some ideas as to where it could be.
EDIT: Changed the wording so even those who don't actually read it understand I knew it wasn't real :)
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Here I was thinking it was an absolutely real country that totally existed. Silly me. It's not like I pointed out in the first sentence that it was a country Capcom created, heavens no!
Thanks SO much for pointing that out for me :)
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Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
I'd really like to know what the catalyst for the civil war that split the country in two was. To the player's knowledge, it happened about 7 years ago, not long after the events of Turnabout Reminiscence. I'd like to see Capcom build on this point in potential future sequels. It has the potential to deliver an epic, international drama subplot.
A recent replay of T&T led me on this train of thought:
Come to think of it,
Spoiler: in case 3-4
We can place Turnabout Reminiscence as happening roughly six months before Turnabout Beginnings, because in the former, Gumshoe had very recently made detective; in the latter he says he made detective six months ago. Assuming the timing is solid and Cohdopia fell into civil war shortly after AAI-4, do you think it's possible that "Melissa" was in fact overseas and perhaps in Cohdopia when the conflict broke out?
... 'course, with her history, if she was, for all we know she could have caused the damn thing! XD
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^It's got quite a bit of creative inflection because there's not so much info, but I tried to keep it realistic^
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And wow... that's more well-thought out than some Nationstates countries. Given the geography of that region though, they might have a volcano risk as well; an island in that region stands a pretty good chance of being created from volcanism instead of tectonic uplift. Maybe not an active volcano, but easily an extinct or almost extinct one. That could also fuel tourism via hot springs and energy production via geothermal power.
I'm envisioning a strato-type cone atop a much older shield-type volcano, something similar maybe to Mt. Etna in Italy.
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EDIT: Did you notice the vague cause of the Civil War?
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lol, a connection, or a coincidence?
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So far to my knowledge, we have Zheng Fa, Cohdopia->(Allabahst/Babahl)->Cohdopia, and Borginia.
Would be interesting if one case were to take place during a war; and it turns out the killer was tricking both sides into fighting each other over an invented conflict.
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Allebahst Guard: "I gotta check you or you can't get into Allebahst rrah rrah"
Babahl Guard: "Oh, visitors! Come in! The Babahlese Embassy has its doors open for anyone!"
I loved it when Kay tried to enter the Allebahst Embassy and the guard tried to check her, so she decided to go through the Babahl Embassy, and the guard tells her something like "Of course you can come in!".
Ace Attorney games are getting more and more filled with international elements. AJ had case 3, and AAI has cases 2 and 5, with a soft influence of the then-Cohdopian Embassy in case 4. And, in my opinion, they're dealing with it incredibly well.
In fact, I think that cases with plots with these international elements are my favourite ones from their respective games. I wouldn't mind if the next game focused more in Zheng Fa, since Cohdopia and Borginia have enough development. Maybe more of a background on Lang, I dunno.
Percei, through Case 2, when the whole timezone mixup happens, I wanted to locate Borginia and Zheng Fa in a map, too, so... I know how it feels to be that bored.
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On that note, where would Zheng Fa be? Given that Chinese is the national language, it seems reasonable to place it just south of the PRC in Southeast Asia, bordering Vietnam, Laos and/or Burma/Myanmar. It'd also fit with Zheng Fa apparently being a developing country (hence the serious smuggling issue).
From a plot-writing point of view, it'd also be ideal for giving Lang and Interpol more work to do. You could have gunrunning, human trafficking and the like, possibly involving a resurgent remnant of Alba's old ring, and Lang and Franziska finding their efforts stymied by red tape and corruption.
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But an island makes just as much sense.
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Percei's ideas sound perfectly plausible to me, and it was lots of fun to read your description. The only thing that I'd change is the divisions because in the intro for Turnabout Ablaze it's said that the country is torn into two with Allebahst in the west and Babahl in the east.
Recently on the PW kink meme, I read a fic that mentioned the idea that there are two different ethnic groups in the country and that the people from Babahl were always treated as second class citizens.
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Percei wrote:
I don't know why, but I get the feeling that it would be the reverse. I kind of feel like Allebahst would have the lower class if it was like that.
Same here, and I think it would add some intrigue to Alba if he came from such a background and managed to become a war hero and who knows what else despite that. Then again, Allebahst is a kingdom and Babahl a republic, so maybe the people in Allebahst kept the royal family in power (since Cohdopia is a principality) while the people in Babahl went for reforms, which could indicate that they were a lower class and wanted to change things.
Of course, you could argue that the people in Allebahst were the lower class and put some old, traditional family into power to show that they're a real nation with their own royalty. I'm not even sure why I'm pondering this since there is no way to know what kind of conflict caused Cohdopia to be torn into two and what the country is actually like. This is all just pointless theorising, but it's lots of fun.
I recently started writing a fic about Manny Coachen. Is it okay if I use some of your ideas in my fic, Percei?
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I believe Lang referenced Zheng Fa being a new country.
Spoiler:
I think Zheng Fa split from China sometime recently (in terms of when the game takes place).
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PS If you were wondering, in the factbook I mention alabaster berries. How I picture it, Whitecrystal Oil has properties similar to Olive Oil and is distilled from the aforementioned "Alabaster Berries", and when mixed with a ground white crystal, aptly named Whitecrystals, it makes Babahlese Ink.
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All the BGs are in the proposed capital of Cohdopia, Ahbaru.
Spoiler: Backgrounds
A vineyard where Alabaster Berries are Grown.
The Exterior of a popular Cafe called Trattoria Colpo.
The entrance to the harbor.
A balcony overlooking the harbor.
A terrace on the seawall which now houses the Primidux statue.
A popular beach in Ahbaru.
The promenade/façade of a villa.I really like these BGs, and they're just what I envision the place to be like.
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And wow, those BGs are great!
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Percei wrote:
I made some Cohdopia backgrounds, they're for an idea I have but anyone can use what I've gotten so far, and they work perfectly with the game sprites :)
All the BGs are in the proposed capital of Cohdopia, Ahbaru.
I really like these BGs, and they're just what I envision the place to be like.
All the BGs are in the proposed capital of Cohdopia, Ahbaru.
Spoiler: Backgrounds
I really like these BGs, and they're just what I envision the place to be like.
These are fracking amazing. I don't even know what to say.
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Percei wrote:
Really!? I had no idea!
Here I was thinking it was an absolutely real country that totally existed. Silly me. It's not like I pointed out in the first sentence that it was a country Capcom created, heavens no!
Thanks SO much for pointing that out for me :)
Here I was thinking it was an absolutely real country that totally existed. Silly me. It's not like I pointed out in the first sentence that it was a country Capcom created, heavens no!
Thanks SO much for pointing that out for me :)
whoops XD
sorry, didn't notice that, you were kinda talking about it like it was real, so I thought you thought it was real, sorry!
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I always saw the people of Babahl as the lower class. Perhaps I'm influenced by that fic, but it makes quite a lot of sense to me. VampireNaomi made a good point about the differences of the countries' government types. Also, comparing the countries' immigration customs(Is that the right word for it?) we see that the Babahlese readily welcome foreigners into their country. Coupled with the country's fixation on tourism, it gives me an impression of a country that tries every method to improve their economy... after years and years of their resources being exploited by the people of Allebahst, perhaps?
You did some real quality work, Percei! That factbook was a good read; I can see you thought out it well, it makes a lot of sense and keeps with what information we got out from canon. And those backgrounds are beautiful♥ How did you make them? It's like a country taken right out of my dreams. Too bad it's fictional, because I'd love to go to such a beautiful place. ;_;
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Percei wrote:
I made some Cohdopia backgrounds, they're for an idea I have but anyone can use what I've gotten so far, and they work perfectly with the game sprites :)
All the BGs are in the proposed capital of Cohdopia, Ahbaru.
All the BGs are in the proposed capital of Cohdopia, Ahbaru.
Spoiler: Backgrounds
Awesome! Which location screens did you use?
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I think it would be pretty neat if Dahlia fled to Cohdopia... although she might not have had a big part in the war.
Anyway, you all might like the idea of it being in the Balkans, but I'm going to have to disagree with you guys. Just because they had a civil war doesn't mean it has to be in the Balkans. The main reason I don't believe it is a Balkan is because of the Primidux statue. It is pretty apparent that the name is a combination of "Primi" (first) and "dux" (leader), but this is Latin. If Cohdopia was in the Balkans, the name would come from a Slavic language instead of a Romance language. Thus, Cohdopia is probably in or near the Mediterranean area.
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You listed Italian as one of the official languages, which is fine, due to the proximity and it splitting off from Italy, but would Greek also be one of the official languages, seeing as how the Greeks first settled there, and some part of the population is Greek descent?
One that that kinda irked me a bit though, is why would they have the reunification thing at an Embassy in the US, as opposed to in some neutral place in Cohdopia where the leaders of both countries are? It'd make more sense if they unified the country inside the country... Same with the statues, why would they be in the embassy instead of at the respective countries?
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One that that kinda irked me a bit though, is why would they have the reunification thing at an Embassy in the US, as opposed to in some neutral place in Cohdopia where the leaders of both countries are? It'd make more sense if they unified the country inside the country... Same with the statues, why would they be in the embassy instead of at the respective countries?
Yeah, that whole thing doesn't really make sense in retrospect. The only possible explanation I can think of is that the Primidux statue was brought to the United States for a good reason, maybe to keep it safe from the unrest in Cohdopia, and then never returned because suddenly there were two of them. If that were the case, then it just might be justified to hold the reunification thing where the Primidux statue was. It's still a pretty feeble explanation, but it's all I can come up with.
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I picture Cohdopia as being a Balkan state too and in my head, I imagine it having a border with Borginia for some reason.
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If Cohdopia was in the Balkans, the name would come from a Slavic language instead of a Romance language. Thus, Cohdopia is probably in or near the Mediterranean area.
OBJECTION! Romania is in the Balkans and Romanian is, believe it or not, a Romance language similar to Italian. So it could be situated near Romania and Cohdopian could also be a Romance language =)
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MapleRose wrote:
wow, awesome backgrounds, no wonder they depend so heavily on the tourism industry =D
You listed Italian as one of the official languages, which is fine, due to the proximity and it splitting off from Italy, but would Greek also be one of the official languages, seeing as how the Greeks first settled there, and some part of the population is Greek descent?
You listed Italian as one of the official languages, which is fine, due to the proximity and it splitting off from Italy, but would Greek also be one of the official languages, seeing as how the Greeks first settled there, and some part of the population is Greek descent?
You mean I didn't? Huh, I must have overlooked it, but I definitely meant to include it, so yeah, that's error on my part, I'll correct it.
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