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I like the idea of enhancing basic Townies though, but don't give them names! XD
Giving Townies moderate special skills however will require the actual special roles to either be very powerful or redundant, so it's a bit of a risk. It's definitely not a bad idea, but it needs to be thought over carefully.
Perhaps naming the skills after Ace Attorney characters and limiting the skill acquisition to three for the round, allowing the Townie to add one skill a day? :)
Example: Lotta's Camera: every two days, you receive dubious evidence of a player's true identity and their affiliation. The accuracy of this information is entirely random, and getting correct information once does not guarantee you will get it again.
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Maybe players get to pick and choose from an assortment of evidence to fill their inventory?
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Make it based on evidence found in the games. That will be totally awesome.
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For some reason I can see Meekins role somewhat similar to Larry Butz, only not so life-dependent (you do not know how funny it was for me to see everyone freak out from Bee dying AND turning out to be the thing that stopped Manfred's hax powers)
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Fingerprint powder, Luminol, King of Prosecutor's Trophy, and the Blue Badger maybe could be some items we could use.
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REGULAR TOWNIE: A regular member of the town, this player has no special skills on their own. However, they can collect evidence to be used for the good of the Town. Each daytime and nighttime phase, they may collect one piece of evidence from the Evidence List. They can do one of two things with this evidence:
1) Save it in their inventory: A Townie can store three pieces of evidence in their inventory. Keeping evidence in the inventory gives the Townie a permanent but low-powered special skill as shown by the Evidence List.
2) Present the evidence: A Townie can place the evidence in a temporary fourth slot in their inventory. Doing so will destroy the evidence at the end of the phase but will also grant the Townie a one-off special ability as powerful as the special roles.
At any time, evidence from the temporary slot can be swapped with evidence from a permanent slot, changing the Townies' abilities. This can only be done once per phase.
I suppose you could call it the Townie Evidence Shotgun. :P
In other words, Bee's evidence list idea sounds awesome. Potential uses of evidence? :D
Evidence from 1-5 would be ideal; there is enough of it, after all. (Ooh, the possibilities this opens up in the JFA rounds with the Magatama! :D)
Perhaps you should give the evidence different powers for different regular faction members? :)
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MAFIA ROUND VII
PHOENIX GETS MAGATAMA SKILLZ >;D -shot-
Dude, speaking of Mafia Round VII (7 for people sucking at roman numerals) can I call dibs as GM C:~?
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Not that they aren't useful now, obviously, but many players won't bother playing if they don't have a special role at the moment. It's a problem that needs fixing.
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It's easy enough to keep complex data sets stored on one of those.
If it's that big a hassle, strip it down to one permanent and one temporary slot. That would remove the fun you could have collecting a evidence combo set, though. :)
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Hmm. What if Phoenix had to rely on normal Townies to gather evidence for him? That is, the Townies "load" evidence into the Phoenix gun for random wtfage |D
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The issue is how to get it to work. Before we wander too far into this, we have to establish the lynch method.
The current voting system works, but even for this round I considered a double lynch environment because of game flow concerns. You brought it up earlier, what do you think? Double-barreled lynching or one lynch a day and a night?
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Because I really like Bee's idea of a court system being added to affect the voting/lynching process, I'm writing up a mock-up of the system now. To get it to work, each game day would have three phases - Day, Court, and Night. I'll keep you posted.
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I'm still writing this Court system up, by the way. It's a toughie, but it'll be workable - besides, we have a long time to iron out the problems. :)
EDIT: OK, here's the incredibly rough version, and once again it's a longass system (>_<):
Days are split into three sections:
Day Phase – players vote for the most suspicious members of the Town
Court Phase – the three players with the most votes all go to court
Night Phase – players with special abilities get to use them during this phase, for example extra kills
Players vote to lynch three players and take them to Court during the Day Phase. During the Court Phase, the fate of these three players is decided. The rule of Double Jeopardy applies; if a player is acquitted in Court, they cannot be lynched again.
COURT ROLES
Phoenix Wright – The Defense
Miles Edgeworth – The Prosecution
The Judge – The True Game Master
Players: 3
These roles are considered Game Masters and are also considered Dead Players. All players are aware of the identities of these roles. The controller of the game takes the role of the Judge, and two random players are assigned the roles of Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth. The Judge, as the True Game Master, can post as they please. Phoenix and Miles cannot post in the Living Thread except during Court Phases, and cannot disclose any of their privileged information. All three of these roles know the true identities of each player in the game.
The Judge and Miles Edgeworth also have full knowledge of the evidence that has been presented to the court, however Phoenix will only have access to five pieces of evidence.
COURT PROCEEDINGS:
DISCUSSION IN THE THREAD BY ANYONE OTHER THAN THE THREE COURT ROLES IS NOT TOLERATED DURING THE COURT PHASES.
Townies will submit evidence to the Game Master during the Day and Night Phases. At the end of the previous day phase, the evidence is collected and added to the Court Record. Of the Court Record, Phoenix is sent knowledge of five random pieces of evidence, which he must use to attempt to acquit up to two of the three players going to Court. Phoenix announces his clients at the beginning of the Court Phase. Miles selects up to six pieces of evidence from the Court Record. By doing this, court is now in session. Court Sessions are played out in the following order in the Living Thread:
1) Miles presents evidence to the Court that he had selected that can be used to convict one of the two players on trial. This evidence is added to Phoenix's knowledge base and his resources if he was not already aware of it. If he cannot, this client is acquitted and Miles may then target the other client in the same turn. If he cannot do this either, both clients are acquitted.
2) Phoenix presents evidence he has knowledge of to the Court that can be used to acquit Miles' target. If he cannot do this, the player is immediately pronounced Guilty. If he can, play continues.
Both Phoenix and Miles may choose to pass their turn. If they do, they concede defeat and both of Phoenix's clients get the same verdict.
This continues until both clients have had their verdicts decided. If less than two players were found Guilty, the third lynched player is also found Guilty, otherwise they are acquitted. All three players have their identities revealed to the living players by the end of the Court session.
After the three verdicts are decided, the Night Phase begins.
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What happens when it comes down to only players that have already gone to court? Does the day phase/court phase become irrelevant?
Maybe instead, you could have it that players that have gone to court and are proclaimed Not Guilty, are immune from going to court again for the next day phase, or the next 2 day phases or something.
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Plus, how is evidence supposed to work? Like actual evidence now? Who's going to do all the writing? Or is it merely rock-paper-scissors? Especially - why go to the trouble of creating this system if the players don't get to participate?
I was under the impression evidence items could work more like playing cards, with specific evidence items granting certain effects. My idea for Phoenix was for him to gain different powers each day depending on what kind of evidence he received from his Townie friends. (Phoenix would have to be a player role under this system)
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Of course, that is a very big hitch in the system.
When he gets back from his temporary holiday: heya Mr. Aokage! :D
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Also I don't think we need to worry too much on Allan returning
Phoenix reviving Leo means that he's working for Townies. Bringing back an Elise working for Karma would be the last thing that a Townie would want to do right now.
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You didn't say anything about Yoggi's triple vote in day 1. This implies that they did not vote in Day 1 at all. After Day 2, you say that Yogi voted for Allan, giving him two more votes.
Thus, Yogi has to be someone that did not vote on day 1, and voted for Allan on day 2. Those 3 people are the only ones that fit those conditions. (unless of course I missed somebody.)
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Superb. I kinda wish you didn't get banned from Round 4 now. :P
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Wanna check on my guess, Velo?
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Superb. I kinda wish you didn't get banned from Round 4 now. :P
See, that's why I did the whole missle thing! These games are fun, and I hated missing the last game because my connection decided to not work, so I figured maybe I could try to help someone out in the game.
Course in retrospect, that probably wasn't the greatest way to go about doing so, and probably earned myself Bee's eternal wrath, but I'll see if life will let me get in game 5.
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This won't matter come tomorrow though. :P
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Lemme guess, someone put out a hit, huh D8~ Geez, I love how everyone is killing off all the special roles. Soon enough we'll be left with Townies, Mafia and an evil Von Karma on the loose.
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