~The Professor Layton topic~ : Labyrinthia (PLvsGS)

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:55 pm

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Regarding Specter's Flute (I like "Phantom Flute" more, but "Specter's" is pretty much fan-official by now), I'm pretty sure London Life won't affect its release date. Considering how huge the Layton series really is, not only in Japan, but worldwide, chances are they're already localizing game 4. For those who didn't read it in the PLvsAA topic, I present to you the Layton Cycle, proved correct with PL2 and 3 (1 doesn't count, since its localization was a trial-and-error decision by Nintendo):
1) Game is announced, then released in Japan.
2) Silence regarding localization.
3) Localization is semi-confirmed (with official title) (Diabolical Box was mentioned during GDC 2009, and a trademark for Unwound Future surfaced a month or so before E3 this year)
4) Localization is officialy announced during E3 (neither DB nor UF were showcased during Ninty's conference, but both were available for demos at their booth, and a trailer was released the same day)
4.5) Game is dated for Fall of that year (DB: late August 2009 (US)/late September 2009 (EU); UF: mid-September 2010 (US), late September 2010 (EU))
5) Game is released, gets critical praise and sells a huge lot (self-explanatory)

I'm more than sure that PL4 will fall in the same cycle, and we'll be playing it around August, September and October of next year, after an official announcement (with trailer and US date) during E3 2011.

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:12 am

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I just finished Lost Future, and there's something that has been bothering me.

Spoiler: Supermajorultraendingspoilars!

In other news, I got Lost Future yesterday, and it was a pre-owned copy. I saw someone's saved game on it already, named 'Mollie' under the Flora save, but she was four minutes in and never answered the first puzzle! I'll admit, the first puzzle required more working out than the previous games' first puzzles. But even so, she must've been very young and/or short of mind and patience to have given up so early and quickly. Considering how widely this game has been advertised (in the UK at least), maybe some hint as to the difficulty should've been mentioned in the commercials. It was advertised as a family game, so parents could see it and think of it as a game kids can play and win easily.

Spoiler: Do a nice thing today,

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:07 pm

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:59 pm

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:46 pm

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Coppo wrote:

I just finished Lost Future, and there's something that has been bothering me.

Spoiler: Supermajorultraendingspoilars!

Spoiler: Lost Future

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:26 pm

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But by that reasoning, the past would completely freeze while Claire remained in the present. We are to assume that as soon as it was safe to enter the science lab after the explosion that Dimitri would dash in ASAP to find his beloved Claire. I would estimate that it would be an hour at most to clear up the smoke and fire from it.

However, from the moment we see Claire in the present is near the beginning of Layton and Luke's investigation. Shortly before they entered the clock shop "time machine", the sun was out. At the end of the game when everyone returns to the real London, it's nightfall. At the minimum, they must have started their investigation before sundown, since they also go back to the present to Gressenheller University and Scotland Yard, of which it is still daylight. I would guess that their adventure began at 2 or 3pm at the very latest. Now, since the end of the game is during nightfall, the earliest that could be is 7pm. That would mean Claire existed in the present for 4 hours minimum, before returning to her time.

Now, consider that Dimitri loved Claire, and would want to check up on her ASAP. Now this could either happen before the emergency services arrive and take over the incident, or after. If he went after, then to negate this contradiction they would have to spend 4 hours minimum putting out the fires, saving the wounded people from the apartment building next door, and setting up a perimeter. I find it quite hard to believe this. Dimitri is going to be incredibly insistent to find out what happened to Claire, and he's tied to the incident enough, that they might let him in sooner than that.

The only way Dimitri could see her is before the emergency services arrive, and he spots her straight away. Since she spent 4 hours minimum in the present, the only way this could be possible is if time froze in the past while forcing her to return.

Also, for Claire to die via the explosion, the past must have frozen in order to preserve the explosion for her when she returns. If she returns during the explosion, she would be inside the time machine and die right in the middle of an explosion, meaning her body would be in pieces, or if not, then at least on fire and with third degree burns all over her. If she returns after the explosion, the only way she could die is if there's some space-time abnormality when taking her back to the past that kills her (which would explain how her body isn't burned and her lab coat isn't on fire), but even that is a far fetched theory.

If the past froze and the present went on, then the distance between the two would increase. What would happen with that extra four hours?

I think I can safely say that I'm looking too far into this, and I should probably just relax and forget it.

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:12 pm

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Yeah, you're looking to deep into it.

Spoiler: Lost Future

Now I wonder whether I made things simpler or more complex...
You could also argue that...

Spoiler: Lost Future

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:38 am

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This is why I love loving Star Trek. I can witness temporal paradoxes and take it in as being completely plausible.

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:05 am

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This is why I love being borderline insane, I can witness temporal paradoxes and take it in as being completely plausible.
:D

Plus, I believed it was said that

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Plus I've already rationalized the theory of time travel in my head various times, and media always screws it up (Back to the Future for example, completely screws with my interpretation of time travel)

Spoiler: my theory, mostly irrelevent

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:34 pm

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Well I guess I'm all caught up now until Specter's Flute.

Am I the only one who feels that Flora should have been used more though? Her having main character status yet being ignored 90% of the time was pretty annoying, and I wish Don Paolo had done more in the series than just a quick unmasking then an even quicker retreat. He didn't seem much like an arch enemy. I did like him in Unwound Future though.

Spoiler: unwound future

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:02 pm

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Riu wrote:

Plus, I believed it was said that

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Yeah, this is what I was trying to say... Just without the whole explanation of molecules and whatnot...

Tomoshibi Amatsu wrote:

Spoiler: unwound future

Spoiler: Layton in general

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:00 am

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Nurio wrote:

Riu wrote:

Plus, I believed it was said that

Spoiler:

Yeah, this is what I was trying to say... Just without the whole explanation of molecules and whatnot...

Tomoshibi Amatsu wrote:

Spoiler: unwound future

Spoiler: Layton in general

Spoiler:

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:27 pm

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Might as well kick-start this thread with a couple pieces of fairly recent news. As many of you probably already know, America is indeed getting Last Specter sometime this Fall, and we'll also be getting Eternal Diva around the same time.

With that out of the way, I recently played through the first Layton trilogy, and I have to ask: are the puzzles very important to your enjoyment of the games? Put another way, are the puzzles like the "main attraction" for you, the central reason you play the games in the first place? I ask because, puzzles aside, I don't really see anything about the games that makes them "great" as opposed to just "good." The stories are fine, but not amazing. The writing is acceptable, sometimes even good, but is hardly Ace Attorney quality or anything like that. With regard to music, there are several memorable tunes spread out through the first three games, but when each game's soundtrack is considered in full, the music is mostly forgettable.

In short, I'm not sure what the hullabaloo is about, unless people just love the puzzles that much. Or the art style, which I have to admit is very fun to look at.

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:29 pm

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I think the Layton games are a good example of "better than the sum of their parts". The puzzles are very enjoyable, true, but the game's other portions work together really well and I just wind up enjoying the hell out of them.

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:30 pm

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During our downtime from here I managed to play all the Layton games and watch Eternal Diva. I am very impressed with this series.

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:15 pm

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For me the main attraction of Professor Layton is the whole cute self-aware quirkiness through the entire series, which is in the art, the music, the dialogue, the puzzles, the plot, every single aspect of the game. It's just wonderfully enjoyable and makes me laugh, be it the flying Laytonmobile or the miraculous healing effects of tea or just Luke ripping off Chelmey's face. Like Ghibli but quirkier. And its portrayal of London made me wish I could live in the Laytonworld <3

Are you sure you're really listening to the music?
(Admittedly none of the above tracks are in the actual games :P Still, all the wonderful music and remixes are a big draw for me.)

As for a reason why it's so popular saleswise... well, it's one of those rare casual games that parents can happily buy their children whilst actually being GOOD.

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:35 pm

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Midnight Jasper wrote:

Are you sure you're really listening to the music?
(Admittedly none of the above tracks are in the actual games :P Still, all the wonderful music and remixes are a big draw for me.)

The main themes of the games are all excellent, but as you point out, their in-game use is extremely limited. As for Eternal Diva, I haven't sampled its music. I do greatly enjoy those main themes (as well as some of the ending ones and a few scattered tracks here and there), but my point was that all of these songs put together are not a large number compared to how many there are total (check the games' tracklists.) Again, I do really love the good stuff, I'm just arguing it's more of a minority than a majority (then again, you could just as well argue that the quality of the good far outweighs the quantity of the forgettable).

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:02 pm

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Guys, look for the Miracle Mask music on YouTube. It's mindblowing. This guy's channel has got them.

Particularly, note the Ace Attorney influence in track number 20, "Time of Battle". High hopes for PLvsAA's music being anything like this, if only with some more AA instruments.

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:08 pm

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I'd love to, but... I have this thing where I don't like to listen to video game music in games I intend to play but haven't yet. I've avoided Layton 4's soundtrack like the plague, and am trying to do the same for Layton 5.

...But if that one track is so Ace Attorney... I guess just one couldn't hurt...

Alright, that was pretty good. I do wonder how the guy recorded them, though; line-in off a 3DS is the most likely, though he would have had to cut off the ending in an audio program (I'm guessing it doesn't end so abruptly in-game or the sound test.)

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:13 pm

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Downloaded it months ago~ I love the Montdol themes.
Does anyone know what "Sutorovarittsupaku" might mean? It's sparked my curiosity.
Also, I think I wrote it ages ago, but the Laboratory theme from PL3 also sounds very cross-examination-ish. A PL-style Pursuit would just be... :D

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:59 pm

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Midnight Jasper wrote:

Downloaded it months ago~ I love the Montdol themes.
Does anyone know what "Sutorovarittsupaku" might mean? It's sparked my curiosity.
Also, I think I wrote it ages ago, but the Laboratory theme from PL3 also sounds very cross-examination-ish. A PL-style Pursuit would just be... :D

Downloaded it? Is its quality any better than the YouTube videos I linked to? If so, link plz :3

I agree, the Montdol themes are simply beautiful. This game's music is quite memorable, at least compared to what I've heard of Last Specter's soundtrack.

And I've heard Laboratory countless times, and thanks to you, I just now realized that it sounds like the cross-examination theme of a non-existant von Karma game.

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:47 pm

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Sadly no, the tracks I have downloaded are the same as the Youtube ones. I really hope an official ost comes out at some point, because I desperately need to hear a live version of the Montdol theme (amongst others). I also wonder about the (apparently live) Mask of Miracles theme, since it's about a minute shorter than the other live themes. It doesn't sound cut off or anything though, so maybe the songs are just getting shorter.

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:03 pm

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I've started Lost Future and am really enjoying it now, though I have to say the introduction of the Super Hint coins make the puzzles a lot easier :D
I'm thinking that:

Spoiler:

The story seems far more interesting that CV/PB though.

Why do I get the feeling that I can guess the ending already (kind of?)
Thoughts/ideas:

Spoiler:

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:55 am

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@Grim: I'd rather not say anything until you finish the game. And the super hints practically spell out the answers already, but really, what kind of a Layton fan would you be if you used them?

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:08 am

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Go to the Level 5 page on Facebook. They're currently having a poll to gauge interest in some games. Vote for Layton vs. AA!

http://www.facebook.com/LEVEL5IA

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:39 am

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PLvsAA has got enough votes, vote Ninokuni DS guys! Pleeeeeeeeeease :) :)

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:46 am

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angel_of_nature wrote:

@Grim: I'd rather not say anything until you finish the game. And the super hints practically spell out the answers already, but really, what kind of a Layton fan would you be if you used them?

Not a very good one? :D
Most of the time I havent used them at all :o But the puzzles still seem a lot easier this time round to me for some reason.

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:26 pm

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I'll just assume you knew that was a rhetorical question and you're answering that just to piss me off. >_<
But I must agree that some of the puzzles are quite a bit easier, one way or another. Maybe because most of them are actually part of the plot, since that actually gives the player added motivation to solve them and continue the story.

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:20 pm

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Good point, and I agree.
I didnt mean to annoy you :)

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:37 pm

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Professor Layton port(s) might be coming to the Wii U.

A single title containing all three of the original trilogy games but upgraded for the Wii U? Must.....not......give......in......to......the......temptation.......of......buying...it.

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:52 pm

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One reason I might buy a Wii U...
Imagine more movie content, if you move on the map, you see Layton/Luke walking in 3D to that location, or something.
What about something like Ace Attorney or 999 on Wii U (upgraded or original games).
One comment in that link made me laugh BTW :D

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Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:52 pm

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I hate this part in the console industry! Thirty new things come out at once and I can't get all the systems so I miss out on the games!! *weep* I remember when everything was for the DS....Even if it's the same game it's still new and better D:

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:49 pm

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javadoz wrote:

Professor Layton port(s) might be coming to the Wii U.

A single title containing all three of the original trilogy games but upgraded for the Wii U? Must.....not......give......in......to......the......temptation.......of......buying...it.

I would be very willing to wait one more year for Professor Layton VS Ace Attorney on Wii U. For thrice the price. For some Layton vs Nick in HD I'd kill. Listening, Level-5? I WOULD KILL.

But the 3DS needs games like PLvsAA. BTW when are we going to see more of that? Seriously, it's been almost a year since the trailer was released, and then a couple of magazine scans with little to no new content, and nothing until now. When's Level-5 Vision 2011? And/or TGS2011?

Also guys Shu Takumi also commented on this. "As an example of use, he said that the controller could be used for exploring a crime scene from a different perspective."

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Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:07 pm

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DeMatador wrote:

But the 3DS needs games like PLvsAA. BTW when are we going to see more of that? Seriously, it's been almost a year since the trailer was released, and then a couple of magazine scans with little to no new content, and nothing until now. When's Level-5 Vision 2011? And/or TGS2011?

Akihiro Hino says "sometime around August" is when the Level-5 vision event will be held and with twice as much titles being discussed, most probably including Professor Layton VS Ace Attorney.

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:48 pm

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Of course, August is in a few days and we haven't heard anything yet, so my money is closer to September or October like last year. My guess is the company had to push back a lot of stuff after the earthquake.

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:25 pm

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According to Hershel Layton's Twitter, PL4 will be called Professor Layton and the Spectre's Call in the UK.

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Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:45 pm

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Bolt Storm wrote:

Of course, August is in a few days and we haven't heard anything yet, so my money is closer to September or October like last year. My guess is the company had to push back a lot of stuff after the earthquake.

Well, Vision 2010 was held October 19th, and this date was announced... 18 days before, on October 1st. So we could be pleasantly surprised by Level-5 come August (:

I'm expecting pretty much everything we want from PLvsAA to be announced at this year's Vision. It'll get a release date, a new epic trailer focusing on its story with gameplay footage (gameplay! GAMEPLAY!), we'll probably get a Japanese price, there'll be new characters revealed, and there will be much rejoicing. I'm sure if at least some of this stuff happens, PLvsAA will be playable at TGS 2011.

Also, I'm pretty confident that Level-5 will reveal Layton 6 at this year's Vision. Not with a lot of details, most probably a name and some art, and if we're very lucky, a trailer. After all, Hino confirmed that it was in development last April. I'm expecting it to come out around November of next year on 3DS, and PLvsAA should be released before mid-year, around February or March, May or June at the latest.

I am also willing to bet that, considering they have 20 announcements to make (which doesn't mean 20 games, of course), we could get details on PL: The Second Movie, set between Mask of Miracles and PL6.

In any case, I'm crossing my fingers that Vision does happen this August, or at least, September. Can't wait for new PLvsAA stuff, it's been a whole year since we last saw anything from it.

Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:14 am

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And besides, the announcement was made a week after the earthquake, so I doubt the earthquake would be a reason for it being moved. Plus, Japan's always experienced earthquakes, as the Philippines has always been hit category 5 hurricanes, and from experience even the worst disaster will only be a distant memory in a matter of weeks.

Now, enough on the natural disaster lesson. Of course, everyone's excited about PLvsAA, and have every right to be, but I'm also interested in the developments for the second Layton movie, as well as Ninokuni, Time Travelers and Fantasy Life (no matter how childishly simple the game appears). Of course, when those are announced, it'll take another year for localization, and those only come out in the US, Europe and Australia. Oh, if only I was living an ocean away from where I am now.

I've been away for far too long.
So long, in fact, that all of my signatures now exist behind a paywall.
Bummer.

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:00 pm

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I wonder PL will become a movie franchise like Pokemon did?
I havent seen Eternal Diva yet, would love to see it. :)

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Re: ~The Professor Layton topic~

Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:23 am

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grim_tales wrote:

I wonder PL will become a movie franchise like Pokemon did?
I havent seen Eternal Diva yet, would love to see it. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGKW2d0pf90

Split into parts, but it's on youtube

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