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Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:37 pm

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linkenski wrote:

Unless someone already asked, how then, does the Mood Matrix do as a story-telling object? Is it a good thing for mysteries and revelations? Are there any "A-ha" moments with it? Etc.

Eeeeeeh not really. Go through the testimony, find the contradicting emotion, point it out, move on. And if you get it wrong, there's no penalties, so who cares?

Mood Matrix is basically a regular cross-examination, but with no pressing, only four pieces of evidence, and no penalties.

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:53 pm

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I wish they had one witness who would totally mess with the mood matrix, by being able to fake emotions and stuff.

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:59 pm

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Lusankya wrote:

I wish they had one witness who would totally mess with the mood matrix, by being able to fake emotions and stuff.

Umm . . .

Spoiler:

Sometimes I feel like facepalming
I'm just not sure on whose face to push my hand on.

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:02 pm

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It's a shame. I feel like maybe they should start increasing the stakes so we get double-penalties and regular penalties for Psychelocks and Mood Matrix in the future. They're going way too easy on us with most of the newer gameplay mechanics nowadays.

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:16 pm

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Major spoiler ahead.

Spoiler:

Am I correct?

(......Ack! I've run out of snide comments!)

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:31 pm

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Reglare wrote:

Lusankya wrote:

I wish they had one witness who would totally mess with the mood matrix, by being able to fake emotions and stuff.

Umm . . .

Spoiler:

No, I didn't know this. Thanks. :edgy:

linkenski wrote:

It's a shame. I feel like maybe they should start increasing the stakes so we get double-penalties and regular penalties for Psychelocks and Mood Matrix in the future. They're going way too easy on us with most of the newer gameplay mechanics nowadays.

I think they said they wanted to make the game easier, so that more people can enjoy it. I'd ratehr wish they would introduce difficulty settings or something like that.

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:35 pm

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GoingforMiles wrote:

Major spoiler ahead.

Spoiler:

Am I correct?

Yes.

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:59 pm

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How many Psyche-Lock and Perceiving segments are there? Who are they on and when?

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:29 pm

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linkenski wrote:

Unless someone already asked, how then, does the Mood Matrix do as a story-telling object? Is it a good thing for mysteries and revelations? Are there any "A-ha" moments with it? Etc.

Actually, yes, in some ways. Finding the contradicting emotion or source of overrunning emotions is like pressing for more details using a much more colorful interface. Like with the more important presses, you can get a lot of interesting facts about the case that way.

Bad Player wrote:

Eeeeeeh not really. Go through the testimony, find the contradicting emotion, point it out, move on. And if you get it wrong, there's no penalties, so who cares?

Mood Matrix is basically a regular cross-examination, but with no pressing, only four pieces of evidence, and no penalties.

Heck no, you still have the Court Record for moments when you actually need to present evidence. I agree that they should have included penalties for Mood Matrix sequences, but because Nick doesn't actually come right out with his answer unless he gets the right one, it makes sense that he isn't penalized. ~~It's only Edgey being anal about making his logic dots that doesn't make sense~~

FenrirDarkWolf wrote:

How many Psyche-Lock and Perceiving segments are there? Who are they on and when?

4 Perceives and 6 Psyche-locks (counting that set you can't break through normally).

Spoiler: All cases but 1st

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:00 pm

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Personally, I wasn't too big a fan of the Mood Matrix as a mechanic within trials, to be honest. Calling a witness out on feeling happy when he should have been sad, in a world where hard proof is everything, felt strange to me. As a storytelling object, I thought it interesting though, though not always needed IMHO. I liked it in the second case for example, because it fitted with the theme of youkai (as a folkloric device often associated with mental states etc.; see also Kyougoku Natsuhiko's novel).

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:11 pm

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Reglare wrote:

Lusankya wrote:

I wish they had one witness who would totally mess with the mood matrix, by being able to fake emotions and stuff.

Umm . . .

Spoiler:

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:14 pm

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Blizdi wrote:

Reglare wrote:

Lusankya wrote:

I wish they had one witness who would totally mess with the mood matrix, by being able to fake emotions and stuff.

Umm . . .

Spoiler:

Sometimes I feel like facepalming
I'm just not sure on whose face to push my hand on.

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Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:56 pm

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Bad Player wrote:

linkenski wrote:

Unless someone already asked, how then, does the Mood Matrix do as a story-telling object? Is it a good thing for mysteries and revelations? Are there any "A-ha" moments with it? Etc.

Eeeeeeh not really. Go through the testimony, find the contradicting emotion, point it out, move on. And if you get it wrong, there's no penalties, so who cares?

Mood Matrix is basically a regular cross-examination, but with no pressing, only four pieces of evidence, and no penalties.

And there's Running Wild mode.

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Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:45 am

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It's a bit of a shame they decided to go with the "You were happy, but should've been sad" route which is like in AJ with all the "I can see you're sweating. That proves you're lying!" because they could've just made it so the protagonist character questions the witness with more guiding questions instead. Because the fact of the matter is that with the Mood Matrix the character is able to know that there is a discrepancy between emotions and statement, which gives them a hunch so they can draw out more info.

E.g. taking the example from the demo it says.
Juniper: "And then rubble started falling on me" *feels happy*
Phoenix: "Got It! ...Ms. Woods, you feel happy but you should've been sad!"

And this could've been something like:

Juniper: "And then rubble started falling on me" *feels happy*
Phoenix: "Got It! (Her emotions indicate something else happened that made her happy...)"
"...Ms. Woods you managed to get out undamaged... was there perhaps something or someone that made you get out of this situation?"

Or something like that. I guess some of the later situations wouldn't work that way though.

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Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:27 pm

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That's pretty much how it becomes in later cases; more interpretive questions and more subtle contradicting emotions. Case 1 isn't such a good measuring tool to determine quality of the other cases, since it's the tutorial case of the game.

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Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:02 pm

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Great, thanks for the answers ;D

Anyway, since we're not getting the quiz DLC in the west, does anybody know of a place to find images/videos of it? I would like to see it even if it's pretty insignificant.

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Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:19 pm

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Ash wrote:

Short, short version: they decided to create two models for Phoenix, because the first model (trial) looked weird if you look straight at him (in the investigation modes). And they made a test version of an animation of him using his new lock of hair (based on the Mia animation), but it was sealed and locked away forever because it just didn't look right on him.

What if Apollo and Athena had animations like that? For example, Athena could stroke her ponytail and Apollo might sharpen his ahoges.

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Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:39 pm

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I am kinda disappointed in the plot itself, but not because it's bad. It's because it isn't what I expected. ~~Which is actually good thing, but I have to rant about something.~~

Spoiler: Case 5 spoilers and getting kinda off-topic

But...

Spoiler: Case 5 spoilers and actual question

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Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:03 am

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So I keep hearing the final boss has a weak motive... but can anyone, without spoilers tell me why it's weak and compare it to, say Manfred Von Karma or Kristoph Gavin who both are like, "Argh, I was perfect but he ruined my pride so I have to kill him!"
And if it's possible, can you make it a spoiler but keep it as vague as possible? I have seen a lot of the game but I saved most of the big revelations for myself in two weeks.

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Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:43 am

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Sligneris wrote:

I am kinda disappointed in the plot itself, but not because it's bad. It's because it isn't what I expected. ~~Which is actually good thing, but I have to rant about something.~~

Spoiler: Case 5 spoilers and getting kinda off-topic

But...

Spoiler: Case 5 spoilers and actual question

Spoiler:

linkenski wrote:

So I keep hearing the final boss has a weak motive... but can anyone, without spoilers tell me why it's weak and compare it to, say Manfred Von Karma or Kristoph Gavin who both are like, "Argh, I was perfect but he ruined my pride so I have to kill him!"
And if it's possible, can you make it a spoiler but keep it as vague as possible? I have seen a lot of the game but I saved most of the big revelations for myself in two weeks.

Okay then...

Spoiler: putting it bluntly

What entailed after that can only be explained with spoilers for case 5.

...Suddenly, I feel like "bluntly" abridging the motives behind cases in this game.

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Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:08 am

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I have a question...

Spoiler: Case 3

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Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:04 am

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FenrirDarkWolf wrote:

I have a question...

Spoiler: Case 3

Spoiler:

Edit: I have no idea what you're talking about, Ash. :shoe:

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Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:27 am

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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

It's Chishio. "Chishiro" is Mia's Japanese name and without a doubt a female name.

Mia's given name is "Chihiro" and is actually both a male and female name (though I have to admit, you hardly see it used on a male in ficton).

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Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:24 am

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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

...Suddenly, I feel like "bluntly" abridging the motives behind cases in this game.

Shit.
I hope this doesn't mean that every villain in the game is only a plot-device for telling the story of each case, if you catch my drift. In past games often times the "meaning" for a lack of a better word of every case was rooted in the culprit and his/her motives and the entire backstory was circulating around that. If in DD, the backstory revolves around the minor characters in the case while the actual culprit is just there to... basically open the closet full of skeletons then that's kind of cheap.

Motive was usually the payoff... I sure hope it still is in this game.

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Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:19 pm

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ADA McCoy wrote:

1. How many "chapters" are in the game? (as in, parts of a case, from one save point to another, for instance, Justice for all has 23 parts, and Trials and Tribulations has 24 parts.) No story spoilers, please.

JFA has 22 chapters, and T&T has 23.

Spoiler:

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Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:42 pm

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linkenski wrote:

Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

...Suddenly, I feel like "bluntly" abridging the motives behind cases in this game.

Shit.
I hope this doesn't mean that every villain in the game is only a plot-device for telling the story of each case, if you catch my drift. In past games often times the "meaning" for a lack of a better word of every case was rooted in the culprit and his/her motives and the entire backstory was circulating around that. If in DD, the backstory revolves around the minor characters in the case while the actual culprit is just there to... basically open the closet full of skeletons then that's kind of cheap.

Motive was usually the payoff... I sure hope it still is in this game.

I was kidding when I posted that, but I have to admit that some of the motives in this game are a bit... simple. Turnabout Reclaimed, though, is a well-built case for the villain's backstory.

Spoiler: Just in case

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Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:17 am

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linkenski wrote:

Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

...Suddenly, I feel like "bluntly" abridging the motives behind cases in this game.

Shit.
I hope this doesn't mean that every villain in the game is only a plot-device for telling the story of each case, if you catch my drift. In past games often times the "meaning" for a lack of a better word of every case was rooted in the culprit and his/her motives and the entire backstory was circulating around that. If in DD, the backstory revolves around the minor characters in the case while the actual culprit is just there to... basically open the closet full of skeletons then that's kind of cheap.

Motive was usually the payoff... I sure hope it still is in this game.

The backstory doesn't revolve around minor characters, but... thinking about it, the motives are pretty weak in this game imo. Also, speaking of the big bad's motive...

Spoiler: Case 5

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Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:34 am

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Welcome back to the world of Ace Attorney, where life is insubstantial and petty murders reign supreme, but the main cast appears as the epitome of truth and justice with psychological hacking powers.
"Distortion of Law", my tail flipper. The defense is totally hax; it's only fair that the prosecution has to step up their game.

So, I have a question myself. Besides Mr. Fuse as the art director and Mr. Nuri for certain designs, are there any returning artists from previous games, and who are they?

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Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:56 am

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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

So, I have a question myself. Besides Mr. Fuse as the art director and Mr. Nuri for certain designs, are there any returning artists from previous games, and who are they?

Btw. I am quite confused about the various art directors and artists (the ones who actually drew the characters). Does anyone have a list of who did what in all the Ace Attorney games?

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Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:28 pm

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I do, and I believe it's accurate. I checked credits recently, you see :)

GS1 character art: Kumiko Suekane (credited), Kazuya Nuri (for Rise From The Ashes)
GS2: Kumiko (for returning cast) and Tatsuro Iwamoto (the one credited)
GS3: Tatsuro Iwamoto (credited)
GS4: Kazuya Nuri (credited) and Tatsuro Iwamoto
GK1: Tatsuro Iwamoto (mainly), Kazuya Nuri. (also credited) and two others I don't remember (dang!)
GS2: Tatsuro Iwamoto, Takuro Fuse, Kazuya Nuri
GS5: Takuro Fuse (main artist) Tatsuro Iwamoto (mostly for BG art I believe) and additional designs incl. Apollo's DLC costume is Mr. Nuri.

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Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:12 pm

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I've heard some people discuss that the ending either has a cliffhanger/contains something that leaves room for a sequel/doesn't wrap up something. Without giving any story spoilers, is it an actual Cliff Hanger? (As in if the west never gets GS6, a big part of this game won't be wrapped up for us) or is it just a little thing to set up the sequel (more like Morgan Fey's speech at the end of 2-2 or like Maya's card at the end of 2-4, even though that one didn't end up ever being brought up again). Hopefully GS5 has an actual conclusion.

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Hmm...it's kinda hard to explain this without spoilers. But maybe I could elaborate?

Spoiler:

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Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:08 am

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fourtrass wrote:

Hmm...it's kinda hard to explain this without spoilers. But maybe I could elaborate?

Spoiler:

That doesn't sound too bad then, I have no issues with that.

Regarding Case 1, how long does it take roughly to complete? I heard it took longer than most do. I tend to not really care for the first cases (with the exception of AJ and AAI) so it would be nice if it was more of a real case and less of a quick tutorial.

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This is the first game to have a two-day case 1, so it does last a little longer than most first cases, but there's no investigation part to it. That's saved for case 2 and on. I guess I could compare it to 3-1 in terms of length, but it doesn't have quite the same feel as with the rest of the first cases because it's essentially "broken up" into two parts, with a satisfying break in-between. And I mean that as a moment of ease before a certain someone gets thwapped.

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Wait, a 2 day case one?
When I played the demo, I thought it was an open and shut kind of case, I never thought it'd be that long.
Oh and one more thing, how many witnesses do I have to cross-examine?(In case 1)

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Re: "I just want to know one thing" - Dual Destinies Edition

Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:40 pm

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BonnyMono wrote:

Wait, a 2 day case one?
When I played the demo, I thought it was an open and shut kind of case, I never thought it'd be that long.
Oh and one more thing, how many witnesses do I have to cross-examine?(In case 1)

I think only Ted Tonate... theres only 7 cross examinations, but more presents/point out the contradictions in this testimony/mood matrix's
Ya, the demo DID make it seem like an open and shut case, and it did a good job at pointing people away from the real case ;)

I'm pretty sure in the real case that Payne presents OTHER evidence, besides the Tail and the Report

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Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:04 pm

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That's true and

Spoiler:

but it's true what Blizdi says, that there certainly is more evidence presented by Payne than what you see in the demo... but the stuff in the Demo is still in there ;), it just happens later than it does and there's more dialogue to fill out some gaps.

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Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:12 pm

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Re: "I just want to know one thing" - Dual Destinies Edition

Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:20 pm

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linkenski wrote:

That's true and

Spoiler:

but it's true what Blizdi says, that there certainly is more evidence presented by Payne than what you see in the demo... but the stuff in the Demo is still in there ;), it just happens later than it does and there's more dialogue to fill out some gaps.

Thats why I said the "real case"

I was being careful with my words :P

I found what happened in the real game after the witness comes to the stand hilarious (memories of Tiger) XD

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Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:00 pm

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BonnyMono wrote:

Wait, a 2 day case one?
When I played the demo, I thought it was an open and shut kind of case, I never thought it'd be that long.
Oh and one more thing, how many witnesses do I have to cross-examine?(In case 1)

Don't worry, the demo was right about one thing: Tonate is a prick.

Two witnesses: Juniper & Tonate. Juniper has a Mood Matrix testimony along with normal testimony.

...Believe it or not, it's not the shortest case in this game.

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