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Author: | Bad Player [ Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:10 am ] |
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emimprov wrote: I have some (probably) dumb questions that tie into Case 5... Spoiler: I don't think so. |
Author: | Miss All Sunday [ Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:40 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: emimprov wrote: I have some (probably) dumb questions that tie into Case 5... Spoiler: I don't think so. Sooo most likely a plot contrivance. I can live with that haha. Another question (or just a topic for discussion, however you want to slice it): Spoiler: |
Author: | Bad Player [ Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:15 pm ] |
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emimprov wrote: Spoiler: The reason was for the sake of the plot. Duh. Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Hahex [ Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:39 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: emimprov wrote: Spoiler: The reason was for the sake of the plot. Duh. Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | BonnyMono [ Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:51 pm ] |
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Spoiler: 5-5 |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:41 am ] |
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BonnyMono wrote: Spoiler: 5-5 Spoiler: |
Author: | henke37 [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:47 am ] |
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It is unlikely that the murderer was impersonating someone for many years before killing them. It would be too risky. |
Author: | Shiun Enshidia [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:10 pm ] |
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So I literally just finished the case then and there. Thoughts of the murderer are in the spoilers below Spoiler: |
Author: | BonnyMono [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:45 pm ] |
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Shiun Enshidia wrote: So I literally just finished the case then and there. Thoughts of the murderer are in the spoilers below Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | SweetieBot [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:29 pm ] |
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A question about the killer's reason to kill: Spoiler: |
Author: | BonnyMono [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:50 pm ] |
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SweetieBot wrote: A question about the killer's reason to kill: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | TheBlarghMan [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:09 pm ] |
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BonnyMono wrote: SweetieBot wrote: A question about the killer's reason to kill: Spoiler: Spoiler: I'm 3/4ths of the way through a replay of Case 5, and I can confirm it was this. I actually complained a fair amount about his motive never being explained. That was a mistake on my part, though, as Blackquill explains it (and the theory I came up earlier with was actually pretty spot on) Here's the entire motivation behind the Case 5 crime Spoiler: Case 5 dialogue So yeah. There was one thing that was off base in my theory. Spoiler: Theory incorrectness Also, in regards to part of the dialogue from earlier... Spoiler: ...which fits in nicely with my earlier theory. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:19 pm ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:34 am ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | TheBlarghMan [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:50 am ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Bad Player [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:30 am ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:23 pm ] |
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So far, all I can say is: 1. Damn, this case is intense. It might even be in the top 5 best cases. 2. Edgeworth and Apollo in the same courtroom! Yes! And doing a combined WHAAAAAT?! YES! 3. Apollo's rebellion... love it. Harsh but beautiful. He's always had a healthy amount of suspicion towards people, and he deserves a lot of respect for not going with the usual "But X would never do something like that!". "(Apollo, how can you say such a thing?") Uh, well, because his investigation led him to that conclusion? He wanted to believe in her, but his trust is something you have to earn. And that, my friends, is justice (And you know what they say about justice). |
Author: | BonnyMono [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:37 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: So far, all I can say is: 1. Damn, this case is intense. It might even be in the top 5 best cases. 2. Edgeworth and Apollo in the same courtroom! Yes! And doing a combined WHAAAAAT?! YES! 3. Apollo's rebellion... love it. Harsh but beautiful. He's always had a healthy amount of suspicion towards people, and he deserves a lot of respect for not going with the usual "But X would never do something like that!". "(Apollo, how can you say such a thing?") Uh, well, because his investigation led him to that conclusion? He wanted to believe in her, but his trust is something you have to earn. And that, my friends, is justice (And you know what they say about justice). Ha ha ha! You know what they say "In justice we trusted!" and "Injustice we trust!" |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:58 pm ] |
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Okay then, in Justice we trust! |
Author: | EdgeworthxOldbag [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:19 pm ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | BettaCallSaul [ Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:15 am ] |
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Just got around to finishing the game! Question, regarding the ending... Spoiler: Ending! And my final thoughts on the game overall, with a few spoilers... Spoiler: Thoughts! |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:06 am ] |
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BettaCallSaul wrote: Spoiler: Ending! Spoiler: |
Author: | BonnyMono [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:46 pm ] |
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Spoiler: 5-5 |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:53 pm ] |
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Hahahahaha. That would be fantastic. Okay, it'd be sad and terrible, but only after the first minute of complete shock and the following ten minutes of hysterical laughter. But maybe that's just me. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:40 pm ] |
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BonnyMono wrote: Spoiler: 5-5 Spoiler: big bad |
Author: | Katana [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:08 am ] |
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Spoiler: Turnabout Reclaimed, the DLC |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:08 am ] |
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Katana wrote: Spoiler: Turnabout Reclaimed, the DLC Spoiler: Objection. |
Author: | Gyakuten$aiban [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:07 pm ] |
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Got something to point out about the worst ending of case 5. I'll quote my post from GameFAQs on the matter: Spoiler: Making the darkest ending even darker Am I right on this or did I miss something? Please be nice if I missed a detail. |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:15 pm ] |
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Yyyep, that's pretty much what happens. I thought that was a given. Maybe it's just me... Spoiler: ...I just imagined, what if all the bad endings throughout the games converged to the same picture of Phoenix donning a coat and leaving the office permanently? It'd be the best example of reusability ever, as long as Phoenix doesn't ever change the back of his hair. |
Author: | Jozerick [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:23 pm ] |
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Gyakuten$aiban wrote: Got something to point out about the worst ending of case 5. I'll quote my post from GameFAQs on the matter: Spoiler: Making the darkest ending even darker Am I right on this or did I miss something? Please be nice if I missed a detail. I mentioned that before. I guess the "Athena left the office" was an mistake from the writers. |
Author: | Gyakuten$aiban [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:10 pm ] |
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Jozerick wrote: Gyakuten$aiban wrote: Got something to point out about the worst ending of case 5. I'll quote my post from GameFAQs on the matter: Spoiler: Making the darkest ending even darker Am I right on this or did I miss something? Please be nice if I missed a detail. I mentioned that before. I guess the "Athena left the office" was an mistake from the writers. Yes you did...sorry about that. Figured I couldn't be the only one who saw it that way. |
Author: | WaitingforGodot [ Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:36 pm ] |
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Since we didn't need to tag spoilers here: It was a good case! Quite intense, although I thought the whole "holding Trucy hostage"-thingie was unnecessary. We already had the kidnapping-aspect before, and things were already suspenseful - having to prove Athena not guilty, breaking her psyche-locks (ouch) as well as Simon's upcoming execution. It was wonderful to see Miles and Phoenix in the same courtoom again! I really missed the guy. Also: Nngoooh! I really took a liking to Aura. She did really bad things, obviously, but I pitied her (even though her ends didn't really justify the means, but things turned out well after all, and she'll get her legal punishment) and she was a good character. I also liked that she seemed to have been in love with Metis, I liked it very much. The game needs more queer characters in my opinion (even though it wasn't explicitly stated - and she was not an annoying "comic relief"-character like Armstrong, who's apparent queerness and stereotypical behaviour is just for poking fun at him). Apollo's "rebellion" as someone called it. Yes. One of my favourite aspects. I loved how he wanted to trust Athena but couldn't really do it, not until proven wrong. What I didn't like, though, was Phoenix's reaction to it (BUT SHE'D NEEEVER DO SUCH A THING, APOOOLLOOO, HOW CAN YOU THINK THAT - I understand, but Phoenix, please, the "evidence" that Apollo collected pointed to her, and it's good and healthy not to trust everyone completely all the damn time. It's impressive that Phoenix does it, but he can be a tad bit naïve to say the least) and how quickly Apollo "Apollogized" and how ashamed he was, oh, Athena, can you ever forgive me, etc. She ought to understand why he suspected her, that he had all reason to do so, despite them being coworkers and friends. The Phantom was very interesting and it was amusing when he tried to prove that he was capable of having emotions as well. The lecture about feelings and identity, followed by his breakdown, though... That was just... really obnoxious. "AAA WHO AM I WHO AM I WÖWÖWÖWÖWÖ". Then: BANG. Ugh. I really liked when he wore the Phoenix-mask, though, how his facial expressions differed from the ones of Phoenix himself. And his pocerface, still wearing the Fulbright-mask, was amusing, especially when he picked up that spy-gadget and was about to hoist himself up in the air. Hehe. I hope we get some closure regarding Phantom and the sniper in the next title. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:14 am ] |
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I think it would've been better if during the Courtroom Lobby scene near the end (the one where Simon is freed of his shackles and before the Phantom is confronted) if Phoenix gave the case to Apollo. Out of the defense trio, it was the least personal for Phoenix to take down the Phantom. The only reason it was him was because it was his destiny along with Blackquill to end the Dark Age of the Law (their dual destinies. *gasp*) I liked Kristoph more than the Phantom, but Kristoph was less formidable in the end. Apollo confronting the Phantom and getting vengeance for Clay's murderer would've worked nicer Of course, the Phantom could still appear in the next title, but if he does, I'm betting that he'll be a sniveling wreck Spoiler: |
Author: | linkenski [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:42 pm ] |
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Regarding the handling of Apollo and his rebellion - I thought it was one of the best things in the entire game... Spoiler: |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:19 pm ] |
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I would've loved it if Apollo was right and Athena was the murderer; Clay was the Phantom and Athena killed him in revenge for her mother's death |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:32 pm ] |
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linkenski wrote: Regarding the handling of Apollo and his rebellion - I thought it was one of the best things in the entire game... Spoiler: Yes. Where is the Apollo who fucking punched Phoenix!? |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:02 pm ] |
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Apollo is still kind of flat for me but I like him more than in AJ. When I played as Edgeworth in T&T, I felt like I was playing as Edgeworth. With Apollo, I basically called him, "Not Phoenix" |
Author: | linkenski [ Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:32 pm ] |
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I initially also labeled Apollo "Not Phoenix" which he honestly is despite the difference in characterization. but over several playthroughs of AJAA I grew very fond of his sarcastic and snarky attitude and I also thought of all the Takumi-written characters the new guy handled Apollo the best in DD over Phoenix and the other returning fellas, like Trucy, Pearl etc. ...heck even Maya's letter made me go "naaaaahh... I dunno if that's my Maya there" and Phoenix was way too slap-stick-y in DD compared to how his gags usually were. Overall I was pretty darn dissapointed with this and case 4 (which are the same), mostly just because it had robots (I know it's 2027... but please, keep that futuristic BS out of AA plz) and the whole concept of the final villain was just... kinda disjointed and I didn't really get if there was any actual message to it. seemed like good ol 2deep4u to me. But even so, the moment when Apollo slams Spoiler: |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:03 pm ] |
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I think what made that moment so cool was the way Apollo's theme jumped in right as he slammed the desk. I wasn't fond of it before, but "I'm Fine!" is one of my favorite themes in all of AA now I do really like this case and I thought they did some clever stuff with it. The final villain confrontation was weak but I chalked that up to the game being really easy. I did like the villain but I thought the twists like how the moon rock disappeared and how the killer escaped launch pad 1 were very well done I know people are upset that Athena stole the show and I do wish she was in the game less, but at least they gave her a backstory in her intro. Yeah, we've seen it before, but every assistant in AA has a tragic past. It's just become the norm (is it bad that I felt more sorry for Rhoda and her suitcases that wouldn't sell than Athena?) Pearl was fine to me. I wish she had a bigger role but at least we got to see her older, I guess. Trucy was useless which was very disappointing. I wish I could give credit to the poster but they basically said, "Present everything to Trucy at every opportunity and talk to her about everything. All she talks about are panties. It's the only character trait they bothered to leave with her." Edgeworth was cool. I heard at one point he'd be in the game but then I kinda forgot so his reappearance was pretty awesome. There was nothing that contradicted what we know about him before and it's cool to see him as a Chief Prosecutor I don't really get the complaints about Phoenix. I felt like a legendary attorney while playing as him but people were complaining that he felt the same as in Case 5 of T&T and his personality was different from his Hobo self. I thought he was handled fine. The only thing I didn't like was the fact that the reason he, "came back" was to take down the Phantom. I miss when Phoenix would just stick up for those who didn't have anybody else to help them I've said before that I don't like Maya that much, but that's not the reason I don't like her that much. I think the new team is better with making new characters than recycling old ones. I DON'T want to see Maggey ever again. In AAI-1, there was ONE new character and he was the villain -__- But, in general, I do think the new team does a good job at making memorable characters. In that AA Character Sorter Thread, a lot of my favorites were from the new games: Kay Faraday, Yumihiko Ichiyanagi, Shi-Long Lang, Simon Blackquill, Tyrell Badd, Calisto Yew, Manosuke Naitou, Yuri Cosmos, Yutaka Kazami, Bobby Fulbright, Shimon Aizawa, and Bansai Ichiyangi (the list isn't 100% accurate, though) The game that has the worst characters is Apollo Justice. Apollo, Trucy, Valant, and Kristoph were the only good new characters in that one (I rambled quite a bit in this post I now realize) |
Author: | linkenski [ Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case 5 discussion thread (SPOILERS) |
I think what made the final encounter weak though, was that - in a sense - it was yet another hamfisted villain we hadn't really encountered before that they decided to shove in at the last part of the case.It takesaway a lot of the initial impact you feel when you think you've found out who he is. Really don't like his theme either. I thought it was enervating. But the worst part though is that the motive can be boiled down to "I wanted to do my job. - No personal feelings attached". In general thebig negative I took away upon beating Dual Destinies was that none of the motives really did it for me. They all seemed like afterthoughts, when in all of my favorite cases of the series, the motives were maybe 40% of the reason I ended up liking those cases. |
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