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Author: | Moni_22 [ Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:49 am ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:46 pm ] |
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Ash wrote: Rubia Silve Ryu wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Kanji [ Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:54 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Final Boss spoiler Mod edit: Use preview post or actually look at what you've posted next time |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:58 pm ] |
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Kanji wrote: Spoiler: Final Boss spoiler Spoiler: |
Author: | jayvdale [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:41 pm ] |
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote: Kanji wrote: Spoiler: Final Boss spoiler Spoiler: But why he is still in prison? |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:55 pm ] |
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He isn't? |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:20 pm ] |
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jayvdale wrote: Rubia Silve Ryu wrote: Kanji wrote: Spoiler: Final Boss spoiler Spoiler: But why he is still in prison? Spoiler: Blackquill |
Author: | ApolloGrimoire [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:20 pm ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:21 am ] |
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ApolloAvalon wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:25 pm ] |
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I can understand how most of the characters feel after losing someone in their life. Spoiler: Case 4 Spoiler: Case 5 |
Author: | Dylanduck [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Case 5 Discussion (Spoilers) |
So what did everyone think about Case 5 for me I was expecting the murderer to be Juniper cause I thought it was going to be Spoiler: GK2 BP EDIT: Tagged the GK2 spoiler, and merged with the existing case 5 discussion thread. |
Author: | Phoenix Soul [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:42 am ] |
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Spoiler: Case 4, Case 5, Final Villain |
Author: | ReturnofthePhoenix [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:41 am ] |
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Just finished it now. Watching those credits scroll. This is kinda spoilery but... Spoiler: |
Author: | Dylanduck [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:14 pm ] |
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Phoenix Soul wrote: Spoiler: Case 4, Case 5, Final Villain Spoiler: Case 4 and 5 |
Author: | Hinchy [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:00 pm ] |
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ReturnofthePhoenix wrote: Just finished it now. Watching those credits scroll. This is kinda spoilery but... Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | mario2000 [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:24 pm ] |
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Hinchy wrote: ReturnofthePhoenix wrote: Just finished it now. Watching those credits scroll. This is kinda spoilery but... Spoiler: Spoiler: Yeah at first I thought they were just pulling another Lana/Mia thing, but then it became more and more obvious. |
Author: | Robin Goodfellow [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:43 pm ] |
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mario2000 wrote: Hinchy wrote: ReturnofthePhoenix wrote: Just finished it now. Watching those credits scroll. This is kinda spoilery but... Spoiler: Spoiler: Yeah at first I thought they were just pulling another Lana/Mia thing, but then it became more and more obvious. Spoiler: |
Author: | mario2000 [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:06 pm ] |
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The real question is Spoiler: |
Author: | Robin Goodfellow [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:11 pm ] |
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mario2000 wrote: The real question is Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | AnsweringNOW [ Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:49 am ] |
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About the killer... Spoiler: |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:31 am ] |
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^ Spoiler: |
Author: | Addikt [ Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:33 pm ] |
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Phoenix Soul wrote: Spoiler: Case 4, Case 5, Final Villain Spoiler: Major 5-5 Spoilers Hinchy wrote: ReturnofthePhoenix wrote: Just finished it now. Watching those credits scroll. This is kinda spoilery but... Spoiler: Spoiler: Just remember the localization of this game was all but complete by the time the ESRB handed Capcom an M Rating. The localization team worked under the assumption that the game was to be rated T, which becomes more obvious when you take phrases such as "... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDGEE" into account. There was a blog post about this on Capcom's website, and when I find it I'll be sure to link it here. And anyways, was Aura's love for Dr. Cykes actually explicit in the Japanese version? It would have been strange if Aura's feelings for her were only subtext in Japanese but outright stated in English Now, a bit more on case 5... I thought it was a bit... strange, if not saddening to see Edgeworth prosecuting someone for the murder of their parent. Edgeworth, of ALL people, should understand just how hard it is to go through life thinking you killed your father/mother. Sure, the circumstances were slightly different - Athena was accused of first-degree murder, while Edgeworth was accused of manslaughter - but the similarities between their cases are huge. Both of them had incredibly foggy memories but managed to convince themselves they were the killers, both of them ACTUALLY hurt the culprit instead, and both of them had Phoenix arguing vehemently for their innocence even after they had confessed. Even so, Edgeworth was acting logically and in-character. He was determined to get to the truth of the matter, and from the evidence before him he thought Athena was the culprit. In the end it worked out, and I imagine without Edgeworth's vehement prosecution Wright & Co. would have never discovered the truth. |
Author: | Miss All Sunday [ Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case 5 discussion thread (SPOILERS) |
I'm still trying to piece together the overall setup of the crimes in Case 5, just to make sure I understand everything. This isn't that big of a point, I guess, but it's been bugging me. Does anyone remember... Spoiler: |
Author: | Addikt [ Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:16 pm ] |
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emimprov wrote: I'm still trying to piece together the overall setup of the crimes in Case 5, just to make sure I understand everything. This isn't that big of a point, I guess, but it's been bugging me. Does anyone remember... Spoiler: Spoiler: 5-5 |
Author: | Miss All Sunday [ Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:30 pm ] |
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Addikt wrote: emimprov wrote: I'm still trying to piece together the overall setup of the crimes in Case 5, just to make sure I understand everything. This isn't that big of a point, I guess, but it's been bugging me. Does anyone remember... Spoiler: Spoiler: 5-5 Spoiler: |
Author: | henke37 [ Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:51 pm ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | Miss All Sunday [ Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:00 pm ] |
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Derp. You're right. Spoiler: |
Author: | linkenski [ Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:37 pm ] |
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Addikt wrote: Even so, Edgeworth was acting logically and in-character. He was determined to get to the truth of the matter, and from the evidence before him he thought Athena was the culprit. In the end it worked out, and I imagine without Edgeworth's vehement prosecution Wright & Co. would have never discovered the truth. You know, sometimes I wish Shu Takumi hadn't re-introduced Edgeworth into JFA because ever since that time he's been rambling about the "truth" all the time xD I mean, he's practically a broken record at this point! |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:44 pm ] |
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linkenski wrote: Addikt wrote: Even so, Edgeworth was acting logically and in-character. He was determined to get to the truth of the matter, and from the evidence before him he thought Athena was the culprit. In the end it worked out, and I imagine without Edgeworth's vehement prosecution Wright & Co. would have never discovered the truth. You know, sometimes I wish Shu Takumi hadn't re-introduced Edgeworth into JFA because ever since that time he's been rambling about the "truth" all the time xD I mean, he's practically a broken record at this point! And Phoenix would be a broken recording studio. How many times I have counted him repeating certain lines from past games. |
Author: | char13happy [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:16 pm ] |
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I was actually surprised they still followed the "ladder-stepladder" joke in the series. |
Author: | linkenski [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:18 pm ] |
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^ I believe the fan-demand was very high, just like I think they got a certain person's letter in the game for the same reasons. |
Author: | char13happy [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:32 pm ] |
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I keep on wondering what happened to the Jurist System, though. Was it not fully implemented or was 4-4 really just an experiment of sorts? |
Author: | henke37 [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:36 pm ] |
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4-4 was just an experiment. |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:05 pm ] |
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Addikt wrote: And anyways, was Aura's love for Dr. Cykes actually explicit in the Japanese version? It would have been strange if Aura's feelings for her were only subtext in Japanese but outright stated in English [/spoiler] Hmm... didn't the robots end up calling both Aura and Metis "Mommy"? Maybe they were not just partners in research, but "co-parents" to the robots? Actually, I'm only half-serious... I thought it was weird they went there and then... didn't. Usually there's a little room for interpretation but it seems like they were pushing for it. Celeste and Adrian seem like lukewarm acquaintances by comparison. Quote: Now, a bit more on case 5... I thought it was a bit... strange, if not saddening to see Edgeworth prosecuting someone for the murder of their parent. Edgeworth, of ALL people, should understand just how hard it is to go through life thinking you killed your father/mother. Sure, the circumstances were slightly different - Athena was accused of first-degree murder, while Edgeworth was accused of manslaughter - but the similarities between their cases are huge. Both of them had incredibly foggy memories but managed to convince themselves they were the killers, both of them ACTUALLY hurt the culprit instead, and both of them had Phoenix arguing vehemently for their innocence even after they had confessed. Even so, Edgeworth was acting logically and in-character. He was determined to get to the truth of the matter, and from the evidence before him he thought Athena was the culprit. In the end it worked out, and I imagine without Edgeworth's vehement prosecution Wright & Co. would have never discovered the truth. I think Edgeworth did know how hard it was for Athena, but like you said, he was also determined to get to the truth. I doubt Edgeworth seriously believed Athena was the culprit, but he did need to be prepared for the possibility. Just because it turned out fine for Edgeworth is no guarantee it would be the same for Athena... even if the chance of her being guilty was ridiculously low. It may seem like Edgeworth doesn't care, or care much, but that's not necessarily true. The courtroom is a different stage... Edgeworth has a role he must play, and he has to put on a certain face as he presents his arguments. And also, don't forget he was trying to get Blackquill's conviction overturned and the hostages freed, so he had to start with something. Even though it seems harsh, I think he trusted Phoenix to come at him with a defense that would eventually knock out the charge and get them all closer to the truth. |
Author: | ReturnofthePhoenix [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:25 pm ] |
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I was just thinking... The reason Simon confessed to the murder of Metis is because he was defending Athena, right? Like, he just came in and there was that haunting image of Athena covered in her mother's blood. However, Simon constantly mentioned a "phantom" who has been deluding him for the past seven years. The phantom that we now know is the actual murderer. How did Simon know about this phantom? I understand that if he did know, he would still confess because everything would point to Athena but still...how did he know? I'm sure one of you guys have the answer to that, right? Also, I was so relieved that Bobby Fulbright was an actual person ...though I was very disappointed that he was murdered a year prior to DD... If only he was just kidnapped or something...so he could appear in GS6 or GK3... P.S I think court-records needs to updates its smilies list! We got some very expressive new characters Thanks everyone! I love you all |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:46 pm ] |
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ReturnofthePhoenix wrote: I was just thinking... The reason Simon confessed to the murder of Metis is because he was defending Athena, right? Like, he just came in and there was that haunting image of Athena covered in her mother's blood. However, Simon constantly mentioned a "phantom" who has been deluding him for the past seven years. The phantom that we now know is the actual murderer. How did Simon know about this phantom? I understand that if he did know, he would still confess because everything would point to Athena but still...how did he know? I'm sure one of you guys have the answer to that, right? Hmm... I finished the game pretty late at night so some details are fuzzy... but didn't Simon find out about the psychology report on the phantom? That was one of his reasons for working with Metis, wasn't it? |
Author: | henke37 [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:20 am ] |
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But he obviously knew about the phantom before reading the report. |
Author: | linkenski [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:20 am ] |
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Well, he was a prosecutor and he's 10 years older than Athena who was... IDK 8..? at the time he worked with her mom? |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:07 am ] |
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It was seven years ago, so she was 11 and he was 21. Yet, he's been known as the "Twisted Samurai" for quite a long time, so I suppose he started prosecuting early. My memory's a bit fuzzy on that too, but I don't think it was actually ever explained. |
Author: | ReturnofthePhoenix [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:25 am ] |
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote: he's been known as the "Twisted Samurai" for quite a long time, so I suppose he started prosecuting early. Well, I'm sure he became twisted because of that event and the seven years in prison. I don't think they declared a 21 year old handsome, emo, prosecutor some name implicative of evil doings...*cough* Demon Prosecutor *cough* |
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