Board index » Phoenix Wright » Baker Street

Page 1 of 1[ 12 posts ]
 


Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Location: Germany

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:04 pm

Posts: 1047

So apparently the Japanese players don't really like DGS. Most of them give it one star.

I google translated some of the 1-star reviews and apparently they dislike the ending (cliffhanger, foreshadowing) and the DLCs. So maybe they're just your typical DLC hater, but how about the ending?
Is it like VLR'S ending (foreshadowing ZE 3, but technically fully closed)?
Re: Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title
User avatar

~*Deux Ames Un Coeur*~

Gender: Female

Location: Yamanashi, Japan

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:00 pm

Posts: 539

(revives self from C-R grave)

So keep in mind that this is just my own opinion on the whole thing, but I'm very disheartened to see people review DGS the way they did.

It's true that, they aren't WRONG, objectively, but...

Spoiler: Very light spoilers, no concrete details
There really were a LOT of mysteries left to the very end. Like, an almost ridiculous amount.

I felt like they were written in a way that made the game as a whole still fairly satisfying to get through, and the last cliffhanger/foreshadowing at the VERY end only served to get me excited. iirc Takumi and/or Kojima mentioned wanting to turn this into a series, and I'm actually excited at the prospect of an AA game PROPERLY connecting stories and characters and major plot points between games.

I think the Zero Escape analogy is apt. The answers we got to some mysteries lacked details, but still sort of explained certain circumstances. Meanwhile, in the same way certain circumstances behind VLR's ambidex game will likely get explained in much more detail ZE3, there are certain 'backstory' elements that weren't fleshed out, and will very likely get explained in a sequel.


I'm really really upset looking at those Amazon reviews...I just hope it doesn't dampen the hope for a sequel.
Re: Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:41 am

Posts: 4

I've been a lurker but I feel compelled to chime in after I completed the game last night.

Spoiler: Minor DGS spoilers
I think DGS ended in a way worse than VLR. DGS teases you throughout the entire game about the future plot such as the upcoming World Expo (surely nothing can go wrong if the characters keep mentioning it right) and conspiracies. DGS provides to you tantalizing glimpses into the backstories of each character (Sherlock, Iris, von Zieks). And then it slaps you in the face with "The End."

Now, to be clear, whenever you ask me I will say that I liked 999 way more than VLR. I didn't like VLR's cliffhangers and how it made you go through each ending. But it's still better than DGS. VLR tied up the characters' backstories. VLR finished its current plot (before placing its toe into the next one and cutting you off).

A more apt comparison would be how MGS V was divided, but the difference in that situation was that people knew what they were getting with Ground Zeroes. I can sympathize with the Japanese reviewers when they said they felt cheated.

It probably doesn't deserve one-star reviews on Amazon, but judging on the scale of Ace Attorney games, all of which have complete endings and no big cliffhangers between each game, it deserves to get heavily criticized.


Sorry for the rant.
Re: Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title
User avatar

Art Person

Gender: None specified

Location: Making Sprites

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:23 am

Posts: 3284

Wow. The upper-most rating on the list that's 1 star is talking about the game feeling "incomplete", with it leaving a bad taste in their mouth, no satisfying defeat of the prosecution and light breakdown animations...
Wow I guess they had higher expectations... But 1 star is a little harsh.

That's really disappointing. I thought the game looks amazing from what I've seen.
Re: Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title

That one super-uncooperative witness

Gender: Female

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:14 am

Posts: 41

Keep in mind that Amazon reviews, numerically-wise, tend to overreact, or at least they're based less on game "quality" as much as "do I think it was a purchase that was worth it or do I think my money was wasted". Since they're also typically on-the-spot and reactionary, that's why you generally tend to see more five-star and one-star reviews than ones in between. More controversial games tend to have middling scores not because people actually thought it was middling, but because half the people thought it was amazing and the other half thought it was terrible.

What's more important is to look at the content of the reviews and why the overall score averages out to 2.5, which is indeed an alarmingly low score for a Gyakuten game. Most of the one-star reviews seem to have the same consistent complaint, and the complaint seems to persist even among the higher-rated ones, which generally indicates that it's a serious concern.

Spoiler:
And seeing an overwhelming number of people say "the game feels like an incomplete title and I feel cheated" is definitely very concerning, regardless of how high expectations were for the game.
Re: Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title
User avatar

There is only one truth!

Gender: None specified

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:58 pm

Posts: 53

Aster Selene wrote:
Spoiler:
And seeing an overwhelming number of people say "the game feels like an incomplete title and I feel cheated" is definitely very concerning, regardless of how high expectations were for the game.


I feel like so much of this bitterness could have been averted if Takumi had simply added a "Part 1" or the like to the title.
Spoiler:
Given how Ace Attorney games in the past have been, it is easy to see why ending on a cliffhanger with major plot points left unresolved really jarred people's expectations and made them upset. If people knew they were getting a multipart game series, they would have began with a different viewpoint I think. I do think it was unwise of Takumi not to "warn" people somehow that not everything would be wrapped up in game 1.


Last edited by Chekhov MacGuffin on Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:41 am

Posts: 4

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Aster Selene wrote:
Spoiler:
And seeing an overwhelming number of people say "the game feels like an incomplete title and I feel cheated" is definitely very concerning, regardless of how high expectations were for the game.


I feel like so much of this bitterness could have been averted if Takumi had simply added a "Part 1" or the like to the title.
Spoiler:
Given how Ace Attorney games in the past have been, it is easy to see why ending on a cliffhanger with major plot points left unresolved really jarred people's expectations and made them upset. If people knew there were getting a multipart game series, they would have began with a different viewpoint I think. I do think it was unwise of Takumi not to "warn" people somehow that not everything would be wrapped up in game 1.


That's a sentiment a lot of reviewers share. However, Capcom might have thought (incorrectly, I'm sure) that it would turn off people more if they outright announced that it was going to be part of a series.
Re: Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title
User avatar

What's a Court Records?

Gender: Male

Location: Probably Earth

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:20 am

Posts: 623

I think it's bullcrap how people are hating on a game intended to only be the first part of something. :sadshoe:
Just because a game foreshadows some stuff and doesn't go into detail about it doesn't make it incomplete...
Why am I even here?

YouTube Twitter Tumblr Steam Discord
Re: Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title
User avatar

What's a Court Records?

Gender: Male

Location: Probably Earth

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:20 am

Posts: 623

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Aster Selene wrote:
Spoiler:
And seeing an overwhelming number of people say "the game feels like an incomplete title and I feel cheated" is definitely very concerning, regardless of how high expectations were for the game.


I feel like so much of this bitterness could have been averted if Takumi had simply added a "Part 1" or the like to the title.
Spoiler:
Given how Ace Attorney games in the past have been, it is easy to see why ending on a cliffhanger with major plot points left unresolved really jarred people's expectations and made them upset. If people knew they were getting a multipart game series, they would have began with a different viewpoint I think. I do think it was unwise of Takumi not to "warn" people somehow that not everything would be wrapped up in game 1.


The crossover left a ton of things unexplained and that game didn't get a 1 star rating because of it, so why is it any different this time?
Why am I even here?

YouTube Twitter Tumblr Steam Discord
Re: Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title
User avatar

There is only one truth!

Gender: None specified

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:58 pm

Posts: 53

Dollarluigi wrote:
The crossover left a ton of things unexplained and that game didn't get a 1 star rating because of it, so why is it any different this time?
The PLvsAA crossover explained most things, what was left over was mostly plotholes.

Many central mysteries from DGS were not explained
Spoiler:
(why Watson was murdered, Asougi's true mission, the international incident, Barok's curse and broken heart, the intended recipient of the coded message and its real meaning, the Hound Manuscript, etc.)

and then were blatantly teased at the end to remind you there was more to the story.
Re: Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title
User avatar

What's a Court Records?

Gender: Male

Location: Probably Earth

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:20 am

Posts: 623

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Dollarluigi wrote:
The crossover left a ton of things unexplained and that game didn't get a 1 star rating because of it, so why is it any different this time?
The PLvsAA crossover explained most things, what was left over was mostly plotholes.

Many central mysteries from DGS were not explained
Spoiler:
(why Watson was murdered, Asougi's true mission, the international incident, Barok's curse and broken heart, the intended recipient of the coded message and its real meaning, the Hound Manuscript, etc.)

and then were blatantly teased at the end to remind you there was more to the story.


I must do something about my habit of spoiling games for myself before getting the chance to play them. But anyways, I really don't care if it doesn't resolve everything. As long as it's an enjoyable experience and it is planned to be continued in the future.
Why am I even here?

YouTube Twitter Tumblr Steam Discord
Re: Amazon.co.jp reviews of DGSTopic%20Title

That one super-uncooperative witness

Gender: Female

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:14 am

Posts: 41

It is true that this would not be the first title to have unresolved things - I mean, within the main line Ace Attorney series we have things like

Spoiler:
that card at the end of AA2 that as of this writing never got delivered to Nick, a certain pair of siblings who haven't realized they're siblings yet, why Juniper's so-called original costume is a near clone of Lamiroir's, etc.


but the main thing was that every game to date had the mysteries that formed the main crux of their stories resolved by the end, and you understood what the main line of it was by the end of it.

The problem that I'm seeing with Dai Gyakuten here is that it fails even in this regard. Even if it were to be a first entry in a series, you typically expect that something that is advertised as a self-containing product to be a self-contained product - even with games that are part of a series, they generally get at least the main part of their story done. See the above-mentioned Virtue's Last Reward; by the time around that game it was clear to everyone Zero Escape would be a series and a third game would exist, but since VLR cleared out the main point of its plot before teasing the third game, people who played it could leave it feeling like it was a self-contained product.

And with a sequel to Dai Gyakuten only being theoretical, since you could very well be seeing something like the ending being in DLC (which just brings along an unpleasant feeling of "pay money for ending"), it only stands to reason that people who paid 6100+ yen for a game would feel distressed and cheated. The complaint is about the fact that the game feels "incomplete", so I'm sure they must have felt something along the lines of receiving a sloppy title that had a ton of ideas written down and nothing resolved. Had the title had a "part 1" written on it I'm sure people would be less bitter ("well, I can at least expect the other games to finish this"), but even then, it only would have prepared prospective players; there would still be a lot of people feeling unsatisfied with how it went.

I'm not saying that one shouldn't still be interested in the game or anticipate it, since there are other charm points of the game like fluid motion, good characters, a fairly solid soundtrack, etc., and it's sufficiently long in content volume, and ultimately whether you decide to play and enjoy the game after hearing about this is up to you. But as far as the Amazon reviews are concerned, I think it's pretty understandable for them to be as upset as they are.
Page 1 of 1 [ 12 posts ] 
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  

 Board index » Phoenix Wright » Baker Street

Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
Jump to:  
cron
News News Site map Site map SitemapIndex SitemapIndex RSS Feed RSS Feed Channel list Channel list
Powered by phpBB

phpBB SEO