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I played Phoenix Wright all the way back in 2009, and then played JFA, T&T and etc. from 2012 and onwards. Going back to replay the original after I beat the other ones I found a couple of dialogues that I didn't remember but there wasn't anything major. The way that dude acts whenever he acts surprised seems pretty feigned to me.
Not everyone's memory is the same?
He's not the sharpest crayon in the box. He doesn't remember details of Case 1 and 2 of JFA when playing Case 4 (he actually misremembered and thought Morgan was the killer AFTER replaying Case 4). It's not feigned. He just plays the games, plays a shit-ton of other games, and then doesn't visit any Ace Attorney forums, go on Youtube for Ace Attorney clips or any of that
I understand you don't like the guy but it is essentially a blind play and you can't change that from only seeing a few videos
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Kind of stemming from the train idea, it would be cool to have a case that's isolated to one location (kind of like Turnabout Airlines but the plane never lands. Maybe even throw in some tension like a bomb on the plane). It would be cool if the case on the train had something like a passenger that just "disappeared." This would probably be a better idea for a GK case, though, since they'd have to leave the train at some point in a GS game
And I don't know if this has been suggested, but it would be cool if we had a case that was a parody of And Then There Were None/Clue. Phoenix and Trucy/Edgeworth and Kay decide to go to an island with a mansion on it and end up trapped on it with a dead body and no way off the island. We can even have an increasing body count. Plus, it could work in a GS game if Phoenix decided the only way to find the truth was through a trial, so everybody sets up a mock courtroom where Phoenix defends his client and goes against a "Prosecutor" (the Judge can also be on the island for some reason). Everybody on the island can also be there for a reason that's not revealed until later (and if they do a Clue parody, the character names could be like Ms. Crimson, Professor Peach, etc)
Kind of stemming from the train idea, it would be cool to have a case that's isolated to one location (kind of like Turnabout Airlines but the plane never lands. Maybe even throw in some tension like a bomb on the plane). It would be cool if the case on the train had something like a passenger that just "disappeared." This would probably be a better idea for a GK case, though, since they'd have to leave the train at some point in a GS game
And I don't know if this has been suggested, but it would be cool if we had a case that was a parody of And Then There Were None/Clue. Phoenix and Trucy/Edgeworth and Kay decide to go to an island with a mansion on it and end up trapped on it with a dead body and no way off the island. We can even have an increasing body count. Plus, it could work in a GS game if Phoenix decided the only way to find the truth was through a trial, so everybody sets up a mock courtroom where Phoenix defends his client and goes against a "Prosecutor" (the Judge can also be on the island for some reason). Everybody on the island can also be there for a reason that's not revealed until later (and if they do a Clue parody, the character names could be like Ms. Crimson, Professor Peach, etc)
I think I've mentioned the notion of private trials in this topic once. Or another topic. They seem the same... Aaaanyways, it certainly can be entertaining and there are some good examples, like Anthony Berkeley's Trial and Error (a man starts a civil trial to prove he himself is guilty of a murder), Henry Cecil's Settled out of Court (man was convincted based on lies; he kidnaps the witnesses and demands a private retrial) and Van Madoy's Revoir series (about an ancient private court attended by the most influential clans in Kyoto; it has no legal power, but you can't do anything in Kyoto anymore if you dare oppose the court and its associated clans).
You do need special circumstances for a private trial to work and the kidnap/retrial thing of Settled out of Court was already done in GS5-5... I'd love a Revoir-esque private trial though, especially as there is less an emphasis on proof and more on just presenting a plausible case (as these are not courts of law, it's just about convincing the judge. You can lie, as long as you're not exposed).
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I'd love a Revoir-esque private trial though, especially as there is less an emphasis on proof and more on just presenting a plausible case (as these are not courts of law, it's just about convincing the judge. You can lie, as long as you're not exposed).
As much as I'd like to see it too, I don't think it'd work in a GS game, since one way or another, the case would be taken to a court of law. I can see a private trial working in a GK game, though, since we'd be investigating into it to see what's been happening and how it led to another murder. Heck, we can save the idea of a private trial for DGS instead. Assuming their court cases are held in this law school, there could be a little room for "cheating", since we all know there's always some student who does. It'd fit the mood of the game better, I think.
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Looking back at GS5, it's kind of surprising that very few characters have potential sequel return. I mean, I liked characters like the Tenmas but they're kind of stuck in their own world of Case 2. I mean, I think it's safe to say Juniper will make return. The characters who have the most potential to return as witnesses in later cases are Phineas Filch and Solomon Starbuck :/
I think Simon Blackquill could appear in the final case as the "guest" prosecutor, like Edgeworth in GS2 and GS5, and Franziska in GS3. I'd also like to see Klavier appear as a guest prosecutor, since all he got in GS5 was a minor cameo. Plus, I'd prefer it if he wasn't voiced by Yuri Lowenthall. Dee Bradley Baker would make a good choice, as would Robin Atkin Downes. Like I said earlier, it would be neat to have Robin Newman actually perform as a prosecutor, maybe for the first case, and have Juniper as the judge, I'm getting tired of seeing the same judge in every single case. Besides, shouldn't he be dead by the time of GS5, since he appears to be the same age in GK1-4?
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I think Simon Blackquill could appear in the final case as the "guest" prosecutor, like Edgeworth in GS2 and GS5, and Franziska in GS3. I'd also like to see Klavier appear as a guest prosecutor, since all he got in GS5 was a minor cameo. Plus, I'd prefer it if he wasn't voiced by Yuri Lowenthall. Dee Bradley Baker would make a good choice, as would Robin Atkin Downes. Like I said earlier, it would be neat to have Robin Newman actually perform as a prosecutor, maybe for the first case, and have Juniper as the judge, I'm getting tired of seeing the same judge in every single case. Besides, shouldn't he be dead by the time of GS5, since he appears to be the same age in GK1-4?
I forgot about Blackquill. I guess he was a given
I don't know about changing the Judge. I never liked his brother that much and trials would feel incomplete without him presiding. I don't care if we have the same Judge in DGS
I'd like this game to add two Prosecutors. We haven't had a game do that since the first one (this is in addition to the tutorial Prosecutor). Like, it would be cool to have a special Prosecutor that fills in for the main one that's not Edgeworth. Like, one that's around for one case like Von Karma
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Looking back at GS5, it's kind of surprising that very few characters have potential sequel return. I mean, I liked characters like the Tenmas but they're kind of stuck in their own world of Case 2. I mean, I think it's safe to say Juniper will make return. The characters who have the most potential to return as witnesses in later cases are Phineas Filch and Solomon Starbuck :/
Juniper will make a return and she will be the defendant in a cliche case.
>Athena and Pearls set Apollo and Juniper up on a "date"
>Apollo is oblivious
>Things go well
>Someone gets murdered
>Somehow someway Juniper is fingered the culprit.
>Apollo defends Juniper.
Something like that. I honestly don't think I could see Starbuck or Filch returning, unless Apollo and Trucy go and vinist Jinixie again.
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Looking back at GS5, it's kind of surprising that very few characters have potential sequel return. I mean, I liked characters like the Tenmas but they're kind of stuck in their own world of Case 2. I mean, I think it's safe to say Juniper will make return. The characters who have the most potential to return as witnesses in later cases are Phineas Filch and Solomon Starbuck :/
Juniper will make a return and she will be the defendant in a cliche case.
>Athena and Pearls set Apollo and Juniper up on a "date"
>Apollo is oblivious
>Things go well
>Someone gets murdered
>Somehow someway Juniper is fingered the culprit.
>Apollo defends Juniper.
Something like that. I honestly don't think I could see Starbuck or Filch returning, unless Apollo and Trucy go and vinist Jinixie again.
...I actually want to see that.
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will be back in, that's a given. I see potential for Starbuck, he's like a competent Larry Butz.(only hopefully with less "Haaaaaaaaaaaaaanngghh....")Filch, not so much. He's still in Tenma Town/Village, and so he'd probably not appear.
Character from previous games that should appear are Ema (as detective again), I'm sure Klavier will have a more prominent role, and make mention of Kristoph. Remember, GS6 is the end of the 2nd Trilogy, and so needs to have some overarching connection to AJ and DD, and I think Kristoph's black psyche locks are that very connection. (It'd also give them an excuse to re-use his and Ema's 3D models for an AJ remake.)
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IRemember, GS6 is the end of the 2nd Trilogy, and so needs to have some overarching connection to AJ and DD, and I think Kristoph's black psyche locks are that very connection. (It'd also give them an excuse to re-use his and Ema's 3D models for an AJ remake.)
Honestly I kinda think Dual Destinies is the start of the second Phoenix Wright trilogy with Apollo Justice acting as a prelude as you will.
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Gammalad wrote:
Mijumaru wrote:
IRemember, GS6 is the end of the 2nd Trilogy, and so needs to have some overarching connection to AJ and DD, and I think Kristoph's black psyche locks are that very connection. (It'd also give them an excuse to re-use his and Ema's 3D models for an AJ remake.)
Honestly I kinda think Dual Destinies is the start of the second Phoenix Wright trilogy with Apollo Justice acting as a prelude as you will.
They certainly treated it like that (Which is a shame). But I still think that AJ had some good points that can be expanded on. Maybe have an AJ 2 separate to GS6, in between AJ and GS5, and in that time have those questions answered. Then in the ending of the last case, Nick says "You know what? Maybe I should take the bar exam again!" and then events lead to Dual Destinies.
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Mijumaru wrote:
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Mijumaru wrote:
IRemember, GS6 is the end of the 2nd Trilogy, and so needs to have some overarching connection to AJ and DD, and I think Kristoph's black psyche locks are that very connection. (It'd also give them an excuse to re-use his and Ema's 3D models for an AJ remake.)
Honestly I kinda think Dual Destinies is the start of the second Phoenix Wright trilogy with Apollo Justice acting as a prelude as you will.
They certainly treated it like that (Which is a shame). But I still think that AJ had some good points that can be expanded on. Maybe have an AJ 2 separate to GS6, in between AJ and GS5, and in that time have those questions answered. Then in the ending of the last case, Nick says "You know what? Maybe I should take the bar exam again!" and then events lead to Dual Destinies.
I just want Trucy and Apollo to find out that they're brother and sister, i want to see how they'd react to that revelation.
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Mijumaru wrote:
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Mijumaru wrote:
IRemember, GS6 is the end of the 2nd Trilogy, and so needs to have some overarching connection to AJ and DD, and I think Kristoph's black psyche locks are that very connection. (It'd also give them an excuse to re-use his and Ema's 3D models for an AJ remake.)
Honestly I kinda think Dual Destinies is the start of the second Phoenix Wright trilogy with Apollo Justice acting as a prelude as you will.
They certainly treated it like that (Which is a shame). But I still think that AJ had some good points that can be expanded on. Maybe have an AJ 2 separate to GS6, in between AJ and GS5, and in that time have those questions answered. Then in the ending of the last case, Nick says "You know what? Maybe I should take the bar exam again!" and then events lead to Dual Destinies.
Oh I agree, as much as I disliked Apollo Justice (the game mind you), I felt like it had a lot of material it could expand on. So I am not completely against an Apollo Justice 2, but I would actually rather see a GK3 game take place between Wright's disbarment and the events leading up to GS5.
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And Apollo looks like Grossberg in his red suit, of course.
(And strangely enough, this would make an interesting trilogy with Apollo as rookie, senior and veteran over the course of three games...)
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Ash wrote:
Why assume that the games are developed as trilogies? The Takumi Shuu games for one were never developed as such. GS1 was for example developed as a standalone game, and because he was told there wasn't going be a sequel, Takumi threw everything he had in the game and cleaned up all the loose plot threads lying around. And then the higher-ups told him it was okay to do a new game. Even after GS became a series, Takumi was sure to write every game as a standalone game, and not part of an X-part story series. And as for the new team, there's been no hint at all they want to do a trilogy or anything like that, at least, they certainly haven't done that in their GK series, so why suddenly do that with GS?
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I always saw the first 3 to be linked, but that might just be me
. GS1 and 3 were linked through Mia and the Fey clan story. (And 2 and 3 were also linked as well via Morgan Fey and her crazy plot for power.) I understand GS5 is too separate from GS4 to be considered a 2nd entry to a 'Trilogy'. Takumi may not have planned for there to be sequels, but he did a damn good job of linking the first three together, into one large story. (I always felt like each game needed to be played in order, 1-3. I don't get that feeling that I need to play AJ before DD though.)I also like Rubia's idea of them being a 'Trilogy' but not really linked, sort of like grouped in the years they take place in.
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I personally think that every Nintendo handheld is going to have 3 GS games debuted on it. The Game Boy Advance had GS1, GS2, and GS3. The DS had GS4, GK1, and GK2. The 3DS has PLvsPWAA, GS5, and DGS, so there isn't going to be a new one until the next Nintendo handheld comes out.
3DS is first off, still massively popular in Japan, and it's still pretty early in its lifespan (DS ran from 2004-2011; 7 years, and 3DS has only ran for 3; 2011-Now, with 3 AA games already on it/announced for it.) That, and now the series is split between Takumi's team and Eshiro's team, so it's possible more than 3 will be on 3DS. Unless of course, they make so much off of iOS Dual Destinies that the series goes mobile in the future? (I wouldn't like it, but who knows?) I'd like to think they'd stick to the Nintendo handhelds.
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I personally think that every Nintendo handheld is going to have 3 GS games debuted on it. The Game Boy Advance had GS1, GS2, and GS3. The DS had GS4, GK1, and GK2. The 3DS has PLvsPWAA, GS5, and DGS, so there isn't going to be a new one until the next Nintendo handheld comes out.
Nope. CAPCOM already announced that the new Ace Attorney team is already working on either a GS6 or GK3 at a Nintendo Direct earlier in the year, it was a Direct in Japan mind you.
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I personally think that every Nintendo handheld is going to have 3 GS games debuted on it. The Game Boy Advance had GS1, GS2, and GS3. The DS had GS4, GK1, and GK2. The 3DS has PLvsPWAA, GS5, and DGS, so there isn't going to be a new one until the next Nintendo handheld comes out.
3DS is first off, still massively popular in Japan, and it's still pretty early in its lifespan (DS ran from 2004-2011; 7 years, and 3DS has only ran for 3; 2011-Now, with 3 AA games already on it/announced for it.) That, and now the series is split between Takumi's team and Eshiro's team, so it's possible more than 3 will be on 3DS. Unless of course, they make so much off of iOS Dual Destinies that the series goes mobile in the future? (I wouldn't like it, but who knows?) I'd like to think they'd stick to the Nintendo handhelds.
They are sticking to Nintendo handhelds as the primary Ace Attorney console because they announced both Takumi's and Takeshi Yamazaki Ace Attorney projects during a Nintendo Direct so for now we don't have to worry about Ace Attorney going only mobile...however only digital is probably the newest thing sadly.
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Speaking of that, it actually seems like the graphics in the iOS version are the original fonts and artwork they used in the promotional material, so maybe the 3DS version is the actual "port", and Nintendo simply paid Capcom to make it a timed exclusive?
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Speaking of that, it actually seems like the graphics in the iOS version are the original fonts and artwork they used in the promotional material, so maybe the 3DS version is the actual "port", and Nintendo simply paid Capcom to make it a timed exclusive?
Don't even joke about that...
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What we have yet to have is a trial interrupted by a murder, though we did have a trial interrupted by suicide and another by escape. GK1-4 would be a murder before a trial.
Well, I wouldn't mind a case with multiple murderers. One is suspected of killing two victims, but actually is only responsible for one, and the other tries to frame the first for them. Something like that, perhaps?
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You forgot GK1-5 that had the two different crime scenes at once. There's also GK2-5 with three different crimes that seem to have a connected history.
What we have yet to have is a trial interrupted by a murder, though we did have a trial interrupted by suicide and another by escape. GK1-4 would be a murder before a trial.
Well, I wouldn't mind a case with multiple murderers. One is suspected of killing two victims, but actually is only responsible for one, and the other tries to frame the first for them. Something like that, perhaps?
What we have yet to have is a trial interrupted by a murder, though we did have a trial interrupted by suicide and another by escape. GK1-4 would be a murder before a trial.
Well, I wouldn't mind a case with multiple murderers. One is suspected of killing two victims, but actually is only responsible for one, and the other tries to frame the first for them. Something like that, perhaps?
We've never seen 2 separate murders in the main series yet, only in the GK games. Also, your idea in the last paragraph is exactly what I had in mind.
Also, an idea I've had is a case where Udgey is accused of murder, and is your defendant. Juniper ends up taking his role as the judge, allowing for more variety.
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Don't know if you're into fan cases but Turnabout Substitution has the plot of the Judge being the defendant in a murder and a different Judge takes over; prisons, serial killers, and veteran prosecutors! Oh my!
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Wright, you show this to me every time we meet.There should be a case with Apollo vs. Klavier with Juniper as the judge. She tries to flirt with Apollo and struggles to hold back tears when she has to penalize him. Klavier calls him out on this.
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There should be a case with Apollo vs. Klavier with Juniper as the judge. She tries to flirt with Apollo and struggles to hold back tears when she has to penalize him. Klavier calls him out on this.
Phhwwwhh... This scenario, why is it so hilarious?
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I think going wherever we want and examining what we want at any time in a case would be good, but there shouldn't just be characters to talk to, if talking to them won't give you any info or progress to the case.
I do however, think that having the assistant in every location where there weren't somebody to talk to in Dual Destinies was really annoying. I'd rather we could go around Kyubi Village or Themix and just hear the ambience of the nature or the empty hallways. I thought Athena's theme and Apollo's theme playing was an immersion breaker, and it felt like they were stalking me as a player (call me paranoid)
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linkenski wrote:
I do however, think that having the assistant in every location where there weren't somebody to talk to in Dual Destinies was really annoying. I'd rather we could go around Kyubi Village or Themix and just hear the ambience of the nature or the empty hallways. I thought Athena's theme and Apollo's theme playing was an immersion breaker, and it felt like they were stalking me as a player (call me paranoid)
Well, at least it feels like you're investigating together, rather than leaving your partner in the office outside of specific moments, like it felt with Phoenix and Maya.
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linkenski wrote:
I think that would be totally counterpoint to making the game more accessible since the "where to go/what to do" thing caused confusion in the past games, hence why we got a completely streamlined approach with redundant hints in Dual Destinies.
I think going wherever we want and examining what we want at any time in a case would be good, but there shouldn't just be characters to talk to, if talking to them won't give you any info or progress to the case.
I do however, think that having the assistant in every location where there weren't somebody to talk to in Dual Destinies was really annoying. I'd rather we could go around Kyubi Village or Themix and just hear the ambience of the nature or the empty hallways. I thought Athena's theme and Apollo's theme playing was an immersion breaker, and it felt like they were stalking me as a player (call me paranoid)
I think going wherever we want and examining what we want at any time in a case would be good, but there shouldn't just be characters to talk to, if talking to them won't give you any info or progress to the case.
I do however, think that having the assistant in every location where there weren't somebody to talk to in Dual Destinies was really annoying. I'd rather we could go around Kyubi Village or Themix and just hear the ambience of the nature or the empty hallways. I thought Athena's theme and Apollo's theme playing was an immersion breaker, and it felt like they were stalking me as a player (call me paranoid)
Same here. Optional dialogue branches are always welcome, but you really want to avoid sidetracking too much, especially in a mystery-driven game. I don't see visiting extra characters in a case that they're not involved in as that amazing, and there was always that option to visit Trucy/Apollo mid-case in DD anyway.
That said, if we want doting-dad Phoenix, we could always have him present Trucy's profile pic.
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Re: GS6 Ideas
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linkenski wrote:
I thought Athena's theme and Apollo's theme playing was an immersion breaker, and it felt like they were stalking me as a player (call me paranoid)
Hahaha, I thought about that as well. For instance, I remember Phoenix going to the hallway in the Space center for no reason, and Athena was there already... Staring at me... Smiling... Okay, I know you're the assistant, but how loyal can a person be? Why follow me when I'm obviously just walking around like an idiot? And how the hell did you get there before me?
It reminds me about this a little: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13YlEPwOfmk
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Same here. Optional dialogue branches are always welcome, but you really want to avoid sidetracking too much, especially in a mystery-driven game. I don't see visiting extra characters in a case that they're not involved in as that amazing, and there was always that option to visit Trucy/Apollo mid-case in DD anyway.
That said, if we want doting-dad Phoenix, we could always have him present Trucy's profile pic.
That said, if we want doting-dad Phoenix, we could always have him present Trucy's profile pic.
Now that you mention it, GS6, is kinda like the JFA of the new series (placement-wise (hopefully..!)) so I hope we can present profiles in it. It felt completely vice versa how you couldn't present profiles in DD whenever you wanted to but you could in PLvPWAA and you didn't even have to do it at any point in the game xD
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It reminds me about this a little: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13YlEPwOfmk
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