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Author: | JGLP [ Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The music of Ace Attorney 6 |
Thunder84 wrote: Ash wrote: Pursuit ~ Cornering Together Is that the actual title? If so, it's one of the worst IMO. Well, IIRC the original names for Overtaken and Keep Pressing On were "Must Corner" and "Wanting to Corner" and those two names aren't very brilliant either. |
Author: | linkenski [ Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The music of Ace Attorney 6 |
But those were translations made by some of us, right? Cuz, then it means it's just names created from rough or direct translations. |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The music of Ace Attorney 6 |
linkenski wrote: But those were translations made by some of us, right? Cuz, then it means it's just names created from rough or direct translations. That'd make sense. Hopefully we get better translations soon. |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The music of Ace Attorney 6 |
Bear in mind a lot of the translated names for the first three games' soundtracks are pretty much just... wrong, for lack of a better term. (e.g. おめでたい人々 becoming "Congratulations, Everybody") Ash is right that "Cornering Together" is about what this one translates to - it's おいつめあう, a combination of 追い詰める (to corner) and 合う, a verb ending that means "together" or "with each other". Anyway, my own rough pass translations - note that I whipped this up in about ten minutes, so it's definitely clunky. Spoiler: Translation, some spoilery names |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The music of Ace Attorney 6 |
So I think I've been able to match up most of the titles from the CD to the OST Rip, but there's a few I'm not sure of. Add in the fact that I think there are two more untitled songs in the rip than the CD, and it's made matching up some of them quite difficult. The ones I haven't been able to get yet, by number:
40 52 56 59 60 80-83 (These are the reminiscence themes) 85 86 102 103 |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:57 am ] |
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Quick note: It's construct, not contrast. And Founder -> Holy Mother in the localization. I'm also disappointed that Capcom chose "Dance of Devotion" instead of "Song of Ceremony". |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:26 am ] |
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Yash K. Productions wrote: Quick note: It's construct, not contrast. And Founder -> Holy Mother in the localization. I'm also disappointed that Capcom chose "Dance of Devotion" instead of "Song of Ceremony". Thanks for the catches. Will update... |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:29 am ] |
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Wish someone could upload the OST, I know Bolt's not doing it because of (possible) copyright strikes. |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The music of Ace Attorney 6 |
I think I figured out a few more, so I'm gonna put the titles I don't have, and then the numbers of the songs I don't have. TITLES
SONGS
I honestly have no clue why there's 4 extra tracks in the RIP |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The music of Ace Attorney 6 |
Thunder84 wrote: I think I figured out a few more, so I'm gonna put the titles I don't have, and then the numbers of the songs I don't have. TITLES
SONGS
I honestly have no clue why there's 4 extra tracks in the RIP Unused music maybe? |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:20 am ] |
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Like how Apollo's ringtone isn't in the DD OST? |
Author: | PlainAttorney [ Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:02 am ] |
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Has it been confirmed that the game's OST isn't composed by only Iwadare? Since in this link http://fusetter.com/tw/xF2Uc#all it's said the composers are 岩垂徳行 (Noriyuki Iwadare), 堀山俊彦 (Toshihiko Horiyama, who also composed for AJ), and 尾野寺真未 (Onodera Masami). If so, no wonder some sounds like AJ's OST EDIT : Well apparently it's true! And I also just found out that Onodera Masami was one of the composer for monster hunter explore. So THAT's why it sometimes feel like MH |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The music of Ace Attorney 6 |
FenrirDarkWolf wrote: Thunder84 wrote: I think I figured out a few more, so I'm gonna put the titles I don't have, and then the numbers of the songs I don't have. TITLES
SONGS
I honestly have no clue why there's 4 extra tracks in the RIP Unused music maybe? That's what I think is for a few of them (tracks 56, 59, and 101) but I know that the other 3 are for sure used in the game. I think it's most likely that one was just left out of the ost. EDIT: I wonder if track 102 is actually a reminiscence theme. I currently have 86 as a reminiscence theme, mostly because Spoiler: Case 3 |
Author: | PlainAttorney [ Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:42 pm ] |
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Thunder84 wrote: EDIT: I wonder if track 102 is actually a reminiscence theme. I currently have 86 as a reminiscence theme, mostly because Spoiler: Case 3 No it isn't actually. I personally think it's track number 2-18 (not writing the title since possible spoilers) since it's played Spoiler: Case 5 EDIT : So apparently track 56, 102, and 103 has been merged into track 2-18 in the OST (you can hear notes only present in 103 in this track). And the track 85 is numbered 2-19, with 2-20 being track 31 |
Author: | linkenski [ Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:14 pm ] |
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PlainAttorney wrote: Has it been confirmed that the game's OST isn't composed by only Iwadare? Since in this link http://fusetter.com/tw/xF2Uc#all it's said the composers are 岩垂徳行 (Noriyuki Iwadare), 堀山俊彦 (Toshihiko Horiyama, who also composed for AJ), and 尾野寺真未 (Onodera Masami). If so, no wonder some sounds like AJ's OST EDIT : Well apparently it's true! And I also just found out that Onodera Masami was one of the composer for monster hunter explore. So THAT's why it sometimes feel like MH You can bet he likely composed the Rayfa ritual dance theme. It sounds exactly like music you'd hear during the concert with that singer in Monster Hunter 4, to me or the final story boss in MH3, Caduceus. I know Toshihiko Horiyama was actually on DD's development as well, in the sound management department I think, but not active as the composer. He could be credited here as well for the fact that he created the original compositions to some of the remixes. Otherwise, it wouldn't surprise me either, because some of the new stuff, even Core 2013 both Home and Khura'In sounds like something he could've made. In fact, the Khura'in version sounds especially like something out of AJAA. The rising tremolo strings and the plucky guitars and it has a "Thrill Theme" vibe to it. |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:59 pm ] |
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Also, Haruka Shimotsuki did the song for the Dance of Devotion. |
Author: | PlainAttorney [ Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:42 am ] |
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linkenski wrote: You can bet he likely composed the Rayfa ritual dance theme. It sounds exactly like music you'd hear during the concert with that singer in Monster Hunter 4, to me or the final story boss in MH3, Caduceus. I know Toshihiko Horiyama was actually on DD's development as well, in the sound management department I think, but not active as the composer. He could be credited here as well for the fact that he created the original compositions to some of the remixes. Otherwise, it wouldn't surprise me either, because some of the new stuff, even Core 2013 both Home and Khura'In sounds like something he could've made. In fact, the Khura'in version sounds especially like something out of AJAA. The rising tremolo strings and the plucky guitars and it has a "Thrill Theme" vibe to it. I just checked, and surprisingly, no! It actually IS Iwadare who composes it. And not only that, another surprising thing is the fact that Iwadare only composes around half of the game's OST (32/62 tracks) while Horiyama and Onodera composes 14 and 16 tracks respectively (That's more than AJ's non-main composer's work). And also, for someone that wants the list of who-composes-which, here it is: Iwadare : Disk One -> 3-11, 14-16, 25, 26, 28, 31, 33, 34 Disk Two -> 1-3, 11, 13, 16-18, 20-24, 26 Horiyama : Disk One -> 1, 13, 18, 21-23, 27, 29, 30, 32 Disk Two -> 6, 8, 25, 27 Onodera : Disk One -> 2, 12, 17, 19, 20, 24, 35 Disk Two -> 7, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15, 19 EDIT : So apparently another source has the artist list too, but instead wrote "Dance of Devotion" was written by CAPCOM. So maybe it's a collab? |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:06 am ] |
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Very strange that the album hasn't released on iTunes yet. AA5 and DGS were both right away AFAIK. |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The music of Ace Attorney 6 |
When exactly does "A Cornered Heart" play? (Aside from "that moment" Case 1, I'm saying "that moment" to avoid spoilers) |
Author: | linkenski [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The music of Ace Attorney 6 |
I know it seemed people were slightly lukewarm, but I have to admit, at this point I kinda like the overall OST of this game moreso than I did DD's. Dual Destinies did have a lot of catchy tunes and stuff, but I found it to be bland in terms of reminiscence themes and I really disliked how some of the most important pieces like Core or Opening got the short end of the stick. I find that while perhaps a lot of the music this time is less song-like it's still got memorable motifs and melodies. I'm really fond of the Core themes, both of them and the Khura'in one is so clearly a Horiyama-made song, and I really like the Investigation Opening theme for the United States (lol). The Opening Statement music also adds something unique to the game. Overall it feels like a JFA situation to me where the overall impression makes you think the OST is worse even though it had excellent themes such as Core 2002 and Miles Edgeworth Revival, and even the Pursuit theme works well as a Pursuit theme. Speaking of Pursuit, I'm still not convinced the one in this game really works too well. It has a great impact at first but as soon as it goes to the "verse", I guess, it loses its punch completely. It sounds really soft for a Pursuit theme, but I like that they edited some of the trailer-like composition out of it for the game this time. The one from DD had that beat-OOMPH, beat-OOMPH part before it looped and I couldn't help but think of it as the part that was created for the trailers. I like how the music this time seems better designed for the actual game, but I guess that partly comes with Iwadare taking a little backseat here and there as he is the one that always tends to write Ace Attorney music like they're songs rather than soundtracks. In video games composers usually talk about how their music has to be written so it can be interrupted at any time, so that's why I never like it when Iwadare puts those self-indulgent solos or bridge-sections into his songs, because it's like he writes it for the concert or his own enjoyment but it doesn't give the music the immediacy it needs. I think AA6's score has that a lot more than DD. |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:20 am ] |
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I just felt something. A lot of the California music just has a very AJ-vibe to it for me. |
Author: | Chloe [ Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:36 am ] |
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I like the allegro theme. It feels like a never ending journey. |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:34 pm ] |
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Chloe wrote: I like the allegro theme. It feels like a never ending journey. Sorry, I just wanted to throw in that 24 reference. |
Author: | Meowzy [ Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:40 pm ] |
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It's been a few months now and I still suffer half a nerd fit every time I hear the bootleggy 'Bird Samurai' themesong. My mind keeps trying to turn it into the Steel Samurai song, only to crash into those few altered notes. :') |
Author: | Kikiz [ Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:47 pm ] |
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Yash K. Productions wrote: When exactly does "A Cornered Heart" play? (Aside from "that moment" Case 1, I'm saying "that moment" to avoid spoilers) Sorry for the (very!) late reply, but I was lurking here and decided I should go try to find where it plays myself. I don't understand Japanese so I've only linked where the track plays in a Youtube playthrough of the game. Spoiler: Spoilers for the whole game |
Author: | linkenski [ Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:59 pm ] |
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I'm really pissed that Ema's theme is nowhere near as |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:59 pm ] |
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Now I want Khura'inese rip-off remixes of all the tunes. Torisaman, you done goofed and it's beautiful. |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:30 am ] |
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Can anyone tell me what instruments are used in the Spoiler: Minor Music Spoilers |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:25 am ] |
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Apollo4Justice wrote: Can anyone tell me what instruments are used in the Spoiler: Minor Music Spoilers Spoiler: Music I hope this helps in some way! It's been a while since I identified instruments so it may be a little off... |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:58 am ] |
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By the way, if they really did do the Song of Ceremony in English, then the given lyrics have to be changed in order for the dub to sound good. E3 Lyrics: When dragon and tiger battle The founder offers divine protection When the butterfly embraces the mitamah The favor of the orb is bestowed My Edit: When the dragon and tiger do battle The Holy Mother offers divine protection When the butterfly embraces the mitamah The favor of the orb is bestowed Guess we'll have to hear/see it for ourselves in three days! |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:28 am ] |
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Yash K. Productions wrote: By the way, if they really did do the Song of Ceremony in English, then the given lyrics have to be changed in order for the dub to sound good. E3 Lyrics: When dragon and tiger battle The founder offers divine protection When the butterfly embraces the mitamah The favor of the orb is bestowed My Edit: When the dragon and tiger do battle The Holy Mother offers divine protection When the butterfly embraces the mitamah The favor of the orb is bestowed Guess we'll have to hear/see it for ourselves in three days! I bet they'd just keep it in Japanese to give it an ~Asian flare~ |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:52 am ] |
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But the song was subtitled in the second cutscene of Case 1. So it has to be dubbed. Why else would they translate the lyrics?! Spoiler: Case 1 |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:03 am ] |
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The song can be translated without changing the vocals. |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:37 pm ] |
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Yash K. Productions wrote: But the song was subtitled in the second cutscene of Case 1. So it has to be dubbed. Why else would they translate the lyrics?! Spoiler: Case 1 My theory is that they're only translating the lyrics, which, if you remember back to the English demo live stream, makes sense. The evidence, for the lyrics, says Spoiler: Stream Spoilers/Possible Evidence |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:54 am ] |
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote: Apollo4Justice wrote: Can anyone tell me what instruments are used in the Spoiler: Minor Music Spoilers Spoiler: Music I hope this helps in some way! It's been a while since I identified instruments so it may be a little off... I hope this isn't any trouble for you but I have another instrument question. My grandpa and I, you see, are having a bit of a debate over the instruments of Spoiler: Music Title |
Author: | PlainAttorney [ Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:13 am ] |
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Apollo4Justice wrote: FenrirDarkWolf wrote: Apollo4Justice wrote: Can anyone tell me what instruments are used in the Spoiler: Minor Music Spoilers Spoiler: Music I hope this helps in some way! It's been a while since I identified instruments so it may be a little off... I hope this isn't any trouble for you but I have another instrument question. My grandpa and I, you see, are having a bit of a debate over the instruments of Spoiler: Music Title I'm siding with your grandpa. If what you mean by the main part is the one keep playing in the background, then yes, it probably is a synth. It's common for synth (most commonly synth pad) to be used for ambience like in this track. (I also don't think it sounds like choir, but opinions I guess ) |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:00 am ] |
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Apollo4Justice wrote: I hope this isn't any trouble for you but I have another instrument question. My grandpa and I, you see, are having a bit of a debate over the instruments of Spoiler: Music Title I'm going to have to agree with him and PlainAttorney in that it's def. a synthpad. There DOES seem to be hints of a synth voice-type instrument in the backing, however. Nonetheless, this a very synth-heavy song, which, like PA said, is great for ambience tracks like this. |
Author: | Kessler [ Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:04 am ] |
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This is a completely subjective question, but I need to ask, are the reminiscence themes better in this game's soundtrack than in Dual Destinies'? |
Author: | PlainAttorney [ Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:18 pm ] |
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Kessler wrote: This is a completely subjective question, but I need to ask, are the reminiscence themes better in this game's soundtrack than in Dual Destinies'? Here's the thing: it is REALLY subjective. With the return of Horiyama for composer, 2 (or 3) of them Spoiler: Track Name Spoiler: Track Name If you ask me though, I like the ones here better. |
Author: | linkenski [ Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:33 pm ] |
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I generally like the other Ace Attorney composers' music over Iwadare. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think Iwadare makes excellent catchy music and band-like compositions and a few really good character themes and all that, but I always find the other composers create better 'video-gamey' music and when it comes to reminiscence themes Iwadare hasn't made a single one that really resonated with me, ever. Closest would be Apollo's jazzy theme if you can call it that. I feel the other composers manage to create music that compliment what happens in the game as well as the story better, but listening to an audio CD I always like Iwadare's professionally composed stuff. |
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