Court Records https://forums.court-records.net/ |
|
Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) https://forums.court-records.net/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=31977 |
Page 1 of 2 |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
This is a general discussion thread for AA6 episode one, "Turnabout Foreigner"! Please use spoiler tags when discussing any plot points of the episode that haven't been officially announced. |
Author: | Chauzu [ Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
I will just say it was a great first case that didn't disappoint! It felt fresh and I buy most of the stuff that happens. Maybe one of the better first cases? Spoiler: Court Rules |
Author: | Meowzy [ Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
It also explains why Phoenix is taking defense in the first place. This is something that confused me at first, because: Spoiler: |
Author: | linkenski [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
I basically can't understand Japanese, but I got this on my 3DS anyway. The first thing I notice is wow, the way the game opens feels really quick, like oh, we're suddenly just in Khura'in from the get-go. It feels weird not to have the prologue anime in the game, but I guess it would've made the game size a lot bigger. Dunno how much a 3DS cartridge can hold, but DD was not that big and apparently this is only slightly bigger whereas some of the meatiest 3DS games take up to 3gb in size. (DD was only 500mb) Otherwise, I don't know, it feels weird to have that case opening, then show the culprit and the crime, and then cut to some casual banter and Phoenix going to the Courtroom on his sightseeing (I assume) and then gets thrown into the crime. Spoiler: I'm probably not gonna dabble with this beyond the introduction though, not before September. |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
So the victim's name is Spoiler: Capcom is having way to much fun with these names lmao. |
Author: | Klonoahedgehog [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
That's almost as bad as Deid mann. |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Klonoahedgehog wrote: That's almost as bad as Deid mann. I am legitimately excited to see what Potdino Niwakas name is. Spoiler: |
Author: | linkenski [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Probably Cuhl'Priht. >_> |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Finally got a chance to complete this case for myself, and I think I've just got a new favorite 1st case. Interesting introduction, cute guide and his even cuter friend, and one of the best string of testimonies from a witness ever. Also, one of the most impressionable witnesses ever. And it was quite satisfying facing the ever aggravating Payne and knocking him off his high horse. Spoiler: And it was rewarding as expected to select the wrong answers from time to time. I was pleasantly surprised to find at least one instance where I could act the idiot and still be granted a nice panning camera motion. The devs were quite liberal with the camera motions. I can see what some people were complaining about with how repetitive some things were, like Nick's desperate bluffs, the crowd's reactions, and the princess' stuffy attitude. However, they were quite fitting in context and I felt all the hatred from everyone in the court added to the immersion. It was not a difficult case, though, and I was easily ahead of Nick's conclusions for the most part. It did make his level of desperation a bit exaggerated at times, but his life was on the line, so it's understandable. All in all, I am most content with the start of this game. Spoiler: extra thoughts |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote: Spoiler: extra thoughts [/spoiler] Potdino: Weil… Scheiße! Scheiße! Scheiße! Und… Scheiße![/spoiler] |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
After so many years, we finally get a direct Star Trek reference! |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Really? Where? Also, to anyone who's gotten there: Spoiler: |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
During the Divination Seance. The gallery cheers Rayfa on, saying "Long may you live and prosper!", to which Phoenix replies "Hey! I want to live long and prosper, too!" |
Author: | linkenski [ Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Wow, now I understand why this game has "pacing issues". It's not as bad as I feared, but it's still slow. The dialogue interactions have been witty enough to be enjoyable but the amount of time they spend on every point even before the first cross examination is like they're frontloading all the exposition into one concentrated bit. There really must have been better ways to slowly establish the country of Khura'in than to make every character in a row talk about the customs of the country or tell Phoenix how hopeless it is to be a defense attorney here. When Ahlbi came in to do the game's first cross-examination I was taken aback by just how long time had passed already with zero gameplay even though half the time had been in the courtroom. There are some passages of dialogue I would've simply cut like when Payne presents the facts and Nick starts to come up with counterpoints. That all happened as part of the VN-style gameplay with a few choice-prompts here and there, but gee. It feels like this is a director's cut. |
Author: | ElMoro [ Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
I loved the references to metal songs Andistan'dhin did while talking. I found a couple metal songs' names, namely Sweating Bullets and Crazy Train. I don't think it's a coincidence |
Author: | Kessler [ Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
linkenski wrote: Wow, now I understand why this game has "pacing issues". It's not as bad as I feared, but it's still slow. The dialogue interactions have been witty enough to be enjoyable but the amount of time they spend on every point even before the first cross examination is like they're frontloading all the exposition into one concentrated bit. There really must have been better ways to slowly establish the country of Khura'in than to make every character in a row talk about the customs of the country or tell Phoenix how hopeless it is to be a defense attorney here. When Ahlbi came in to do the game's first cross-examination I was taken aback by just how long time had passed already with zero gameplay even though half the time had been in the courtroom. There are some passages of dialogue I would've simply cut like when Payne presents the facts and Nick starts to come up with counterpoints. That all happened as part of the VN-style gameplay with a few choice-prompts here and there, but gee. It feels like this is a director's cut. Oh, so it's not just me sucking, the case really is super long, it took my like, 3-4 hours to complete, I thought I was just slow and bad at the game, the latter is true, but the former might not be as true as I had thought. Also, did they reference both Star Trek and GREASE in the same case? Give me more. |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Kessler wrote: linkenski wrote: Wow, now I understand why this game has "pacing issues". It's not as bad as I feared, but it's still slow. The dialogue interactions have been witty enough to be enjoyable but the amount of time they spend on every point even before the first cross examination is like they're frontloading all the exposition into one concentrated bit. There really must have been better ways to slowly establish the country of Khura'in than to make every character in a row talk about the customs of the country or tell Phoenix how hopeless it is to be a defense attorney here. When Ahlbi came in to do the game's first cross-examination I was taken aback by just how long time had passed already with zero gameplay even though half the time had been in the courtroom. There are some passages of dialogue I would've simply cut like when Payne presents the facts and Nick starts to come up with counterpoints. That all happened as part of the VN-style gameplay with a few choice-prompts here and there, but gee. It feels like this is a director's cut. Oh, so it's not just me sucking, the case really is super long, it took my like, 3-4 hours to complete, I thought I was just slow and bad at the game, the latter is true, but the former might not be as true as I had thought. Also, did they reference both Star Trek and GREASE in the same case? Give me more. Same for me. The case felt incredibly slow, which us too bad. I really loved the character of Andistan'dhin though. |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Coincidentally, the game's release date was also the air date of the original Star Trek series. |
Author: | Kessler [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Yash K. Productions wrote: Coincidentally, the game's release date was also the air date of the original Star Trek series. Coincidence... or conspiracy? YEAH! |
Author: | CreativeAttorney [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Okay, so I just finished playing through The Foreign Turnabout, and... I liked it, it did well for a first case. But there were two things I didn't like, mainly... Spoiler: Spoiler: *Phew* Mini rant over. Like I said, I liked a lot about it, but it wasn't perfect, and I like Turnabout Memories a bit more, but it contends as my 3rd favorite first case. I'd give it a 4.5/5. (Also does anyone notice how a lot of Ace Attorney cases have to do with bludgeoning as the cause of death? Something I noticed. :P) |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
I can't collect my thoughts yet, but I beat it just now. Whoo boy! That was a ride and I'm super friggin tired now. But all in all, great case. I liked the way it sets up the plot. It's self-aware at the fact that Khura'in is pretty far out both physically and figuratively speaking and I got such a kick out of everyone yelling "Death to the lawer! Die Phoenix!" like it's so overblown that it becomes funny and i think the case balanced this serious vs silly or I guess "the tone" in a really classy way. Andastan'dhin had me in stiches but then like a really funny comedy i started to get exhausted from the constant stream of fun things going on, and at some point I wish they would've turned down the humor knob just for a time, maybe bring in Ahlbi to make a testimony again or something, because really, I got exhausted but it wasn't bad. It was actually really great I think. The mystery itself was so-so. There weren't a lot of "moments" in terms of mystery or twists I don't think and they telegraphed all the big ones too soon just because everything was super obvious. The Magatama twist was one where I was like "Oh, uh, yeah I guess that's right" but I wasn't surprised because I hadn't even noticed the difference between Spoiler: I also like Spoiler: Plot |
Author: | Cream Soda [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
That was pretty great for a first case. I loved the villain's breakdown and w/ all the crazy stuff that happened, I think it'll be hard for Phoenix to forget Payne again (though since it's a reoccurring gag we know he will anyways) |
Author: | Kessler [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Cream Soda wrote: That was pretty great for a first case. I loved the villain's breakdown and w/ all the crazy stuff that happened, I think it'll be hard for Phoenix to forget Payne again (though since it's a reoccurring gag we know he will anyways) I thought they only made that joke like... twice in the main series games, is it really much more common than I remember? |
Author: | MrCafecito [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
I just completed it. I liked it, though it feels a little slow at times, too much talking and not a lot of doing, but I hope that gets better with the following cases. I liked the villain's breakdown a lot! I also liked the 3D scenes, I think they look great when used correctly |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:14 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
linkenski wrote: I also like Spoiler: Plot I am curious as to what you figured out because I have no idea what it is behind his name (aside from the Japanese puns). |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Glad I'm not the only one who thought the case felt a little long. Spoiler: gripe Spoiler: Andistan'dhin Spoiler: Khura'in Spoiler: the rest |
Author: | SuperAj3 [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Jean Descole wrote: Spoiler: gripe Spoiler: In response |
Author: | MBr [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Spoiler: |
Author: | SuperAj3 [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Spoiler: |
Author: | Proyectil [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
I have just finished it. I have to agree with those who say that it's quite slow and that they expend a lot of time talking about things that are not that important (the joke with the Judge's wife, for example, was constantly popping up. And also the cheering from the public annoyed me a lot). I loved all the characters, though. Tonate and Woods in Dual Destinies were pretty annoying in my opinion and their quirks got old really fast, but Alhbi and Andistan'dhin were really enjoyable. I loved both of them. The judge was also great, he felt similar to Japanifornia's judge but also a bit different. Payne, well... As usual. Not much to say about him. Spoiler: Overall, a good first case. I prefer other first cases like T&T's or Apollo Justice's, but I enjoyed this one. |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
SuperAj3 wrote: Jean Descole wrote: Spoiler: gripe Spoiler: In response Spoiler: |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote: linkenski wrote: I also like Spoiler: Plot I am curious as to what you figured out because I have no idea what it is behind his name (aside from the Japanese puns). I'm maybe wrong but I think this is Spoiler: SPECULATION |
Author: | Pierre [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Regarding the villain: Spoiler: |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Hmmm. I think his dialogue is way funnier too even if it's the same schtick Spoiler: He's just hilarious |
Author: | Pierre [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
linkenski wrote: Hmmm. I think his dialogue is way funnier too even if it's the same schtick Spoiler: He's just hilarious Also to his credit....I felt Payne was a LOT funnier in his dialogue as well this time around. Just the way you see him and the villain playing off each other is pretty damn great. |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Yeah he was. Gaspen wasn't even that bad in 5-1 but at one point I felt he was straying too far from the Payne persona which I feel is valid because even though he's technically the brother... I mean, this IS Payne just in amped up competence. I loved some of his mannerisms in this one like how he takes certain moments to comment on Wright's facial expression like he's obsessed with him and I thought that they dubbed him "Incredible Payne" was really good too, and the best thing is how Phoenix's comments were totally underplayed unlike in the demo, it's like he was just like "Yeah, whatever, Payne" all the time which I also relate to because he's so overdone xD |
Author: | Kessler [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Spoiler: |
Author: | Pierre [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
Kessler wrote: Spoiler: Yeah there was some actual genuine bloodthist and (dare I say) intimidation from Payne there. |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
The whole "death to lawyers" thing is just pure camp. Of course it's serious inside the fiction but I honestly don't think we're meant to take it completely seriously if you know what I mean. It's so far out and stupid that it becomes comical and you're not quite sure if it's intentional but I'm pretty sure the writers know this. It reminds me a lot of how in MGS3 a serious driving part of the excellent plot is that the villain decides to fire a nuke on his countrymen just because he can, and I still liked it in spite of that... I mean, it's ridiculous! xD Similarly Deadly Premonition has a pretty captivating narrative in its own special... low-budget, low-skill kind of way and it's primarily driven by nonsense but it still makes you feel. I'm way off on a tangent here, but it's just to say that for all the surprise at how cruel Payne is, consider these things. |
Author: | Pierre [ Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Case one discussion thread (tagged spoilers) |
linkenski wrote: The whole "death to lawyers" thing is just pure camp. Of course it's serious inside the fiction but I honestly don't think we're meant to take it completely seriously if you know what I mean. It's so far out and stupid that it becomes comical and you're not quite sure if it's intentional but I'm pretty sure the writers know this. It reminds me a lot of how in MGS3 a serious driving part of the excellent plot is that the villain decides to fire a nuke on his countrymen just because he can, and I still liked it in spite of that... I mean, it's ridiculous! xD Similarly Deadly Premonition has a pretty captivating narrative in its own special... low-budget, low-skill kind of way and it's primarily driven by nonsense but it still makes you feel. I'm way off on a tangent here, but it's just to say that for all the surprise at how cruel Payne is, consider these things. I'd say you are spot on for Deadly Premonition. In Volgin's case I'm pretty sure he had his reasons. He destroyed a rival research facility that I'm pretty sure was run by one of his enemies. Remember Volgin isn't exactly on good terms with Mother Russia in that game. |
Page 1 of 2 | All times are UTC |
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group http://www.phpbb.com/ |