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Author: | Pierre [ Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:20 am ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Pierre wrote: Spoiler: Okay, now this I can't let slide. Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:18 am ] |
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I just realised that TECHNICALLY Bucky is drinking underage lol (Since the US drinking age is 21) But the drinking age in Japan is like, 20 or something, right? |
Author: | Aeliren [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:37 am ] |
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote: I just realised that TECHNICALLY Bucky is drinking underage lol (Since the US drinking age is 21) But the drinking age in Japan is like, 20 or something, right? Huh. Never thought of that. Then again, I live in Canada, where the drinking age is 19 (18 in Quebec), so I don't really keep other countries' drinking ages in mind. True ending of 6-4: Bucky gets off the hook for murder, gets arrested for underage drinking. |
Author: | Baloo [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:51 pm ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | scarlet-flowers [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:27 pm ] |
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I do agree that it probably should have been made a DLC case, and instead maybe have another case that would be a better transition from case 3 to case 5. Or even put Klavier in there for God's sake instead of Nahyuta. He would have fit so well into the case. |
Author: | Pierre [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:41 pm ] |
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scarlet-flowers wrote: I do agree that it probably should have been made a DLC case, and instead maybe have another case that would be a better transition from case 3 to case 5. Or even put Klavier in there for God's sake instead of Nahyuta. He would have fit so well into the case. Lets not forget that Edgeworth SPECIALLY requested Nahyuta for this! /sarcasm |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:54 pm ] |
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This is what happens when they don't have me on the team. I would have turned it into a Japanese-Italian restaurant... and skate rink. And it's the perfect setting for a birthday party. |
Author: | luck [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:25 pm ] |
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Uendo doesn't make any sense if you don't know what rakugo is, though. I think this could have worked better as a tutorial case. It's just too random to be before the grand finale. |
Author: | Pierre [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:35 pm ] |
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What were the rakugo name puns for the two witnesses anyway? |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:39 pm ] |
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote: This is what happens when they don't have me on the team. I would have turned it into a Japanese-Italian restaurant... and skate rink. And it's the perfect setting for a birthday party. For what it's worth, Bucky actually arrives with a plate of burgers in the post-trial wrap-up, so that was kinda fun |
Author: | Proyectil [ Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:33 am ] |
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Well, I've just finished this case. I enjoyed it more than I expected, I had kinda low expectations because of all the bad impressions that I saw about it. I'll talk more about it in the spoiler: Spoiler: In the end, it was an OK case. I liked it and I would like to play it again someday. Of course, it's this game's weakest case, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing if the case is still a really good case! |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:17 pm ] |
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I didn't like this case that much :/ I haven't read the other posts yet so I don't know what the consensus is but I will say in advance that I knew this was a filler, trial-only case with Athena and Blackquill. That allowed me to go into this case with an open mind and see it as something fun and extra Spoiler: Case 4 Also is this a giant plothole or....? Spoiler: Thankfully I don't really see this case as that much of a hit to the game though. It's rare enough to get 5 full separate mysteries in a given AA and we also have a full DLC case on the way. So I still ended up seeing this case as a fun, extra thing that you either enjoyed or didn't Edit: Spoiler: One more thing |
Author: | Pierre [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:40 pm ] |
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In reply to above: Spoiler: Seriously hated this case so much, go check my post earlier on the matter if you like. |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:54 pm ] |
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You're among several who complained about this case, so rest assured you're not alone. But I'm not sure where the "too Japanese" comments are coming from. Do you guys need explanation or something? Did the localization not do enough? I'm honestly curious. JesusMonroe wrote: Also is this a giant plothole or....? Spoiler: It's mentioned in-game. Spoiler: Quote: Edit: Spoiler: One more thing I had this issue too. Spoiler: |
Author: | luck [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:12 pm ] |
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Spoiler: the whole case |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:29 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Response to above |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:35 pm ] |
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The problem with it being "too Japanese", at least for me, is what luck said about the constant info dumps Take Case 1 for example. You're in a new country and you're going to be there for the rest of the game so it eases you into its culture and explains everything naturally to Nick who's experiencing it all for the first time The soba/rakugo thing only exists in this case and not beyond it so the game needs to make sure you keep track of all of it. So rather than just kind of learning everything (like how Case 1 would tie in the culture with the new gameplay mechanic), I moreso had to memorize everything and know it's important for later |
Author: | Nurio [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:14 pm ] |
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I did like this case, but it was a bit rough to get into. The first hour or so, I kept wondering why Athena took on this case... She didn't have a single conversation with the defendant before taking on the trial. She didn't do any kind of investigation. She didn't read into any of the case details. Yet she took the case because...? Blackquill told her to? I would almost accept that for a reason, weren't it for the fact that Athena kept proclaiming how she definitely believes in the defendant, despite not having spoken to him before. I know she can't really say she doesn't trust him or anything, but the game really presented it as if Athena believes Bucky didn't do it for no apparent reason at all Then of course there's the thing that this completely killed any momentum Case 3 had. People have talked about this particular point on length, so I'll not really say more about this, other than the fact I think it'd be better if they switched Case 3 and 4. Really, it would then also make more sense for Nahyuta, since he wouldn't have to travel back and forth between the two countries within days. He'd have traveled to Japanifornia for 2 cases and then went back to Khura'in And lastly, as others have mentioned, this was "too Japanese". I love Japanese stuff and that's why it wasn't an issue after an hour, but it's such a 180 in tone and expectations that I just had to flip a switch in my mind, and that took a while. After I stopped taking the case too seriously (really, as Monroe said, this kinda had the feeling of an unofficial case) it was fine. I love filler cases, but this one broke the momentum too much and had such a different tone even for a filler case |
Author: | D.A. McCoy [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:34 pm ] |
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I really didn't have any problems with the case other than the fact that it felt weird in between these two massive story cases. I think my issue is that SoJ was different from the main games in that it took place over a couple of weeks (most main AA games take place over months and months). I think if the other cases weren't so linked together or if this one had been it would have felt less out of place (or if this case had been a little longer). I love filler cases; most of my favorite cases are filler cases, but I thin filler cases can feel out of place when the majority of the game is episodic (it would be similar to one of the AAI games having a filler case right in the middle of the game. It feels weird because of how close the other cases are in both subject matter and date/time. I think 6-2 works because it's a full case with a lot of the characters that will come into play later one (and it is also the reintroduction of the Japanifornia characters for the first time). I almost wonder if I might enjoy it more if I played it after 6-2 rather than 6-3. It might mess with the pacing but it would feel better thematically to me. |
Author: | luck [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:41 pm ] |
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote: Spoiler: Response to above Spoiler: |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:08 pm ] |
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luck wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | D.A. McCoy [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:13 pm ] |
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I think there was a case from the manga that had to do with Buckwheat allergies, so the whole buckwheat noodle thing has come up before, even if not "officially". I think that helped it make sense quickly for me (also, as Rubia mentioned, it's pretty common in California. I don't think any of these elements would feel out of place in Los Angeles. |
Author: | Nurio [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:55 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Udon |
Author: | MBr [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:40 pm ] |
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Nurio wrote: Spoiler: Udon Exactly right. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:05 am ] |
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Oh and thank you Rubia for clarification on that one bit and Pierre/Luck for clarification on the perfume thing |
Author: | MBr [ Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:18 am ] |
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One thing though Spoiler: |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:59 am ] |
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MBr wrote: One thing though Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | scarlet-flowers [ Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:56 am ] |
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Nurio wrote: Spoiler: Udon Thing about that that bugged me is the dialogue went so fast that I barely had time to digest it. That barfing animation is really inconvenient. |
Author: | MBr [ Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:57 am ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:54 am ] |
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I actually don't think it would've been better if this were Case 3. If I had to place this case somewhere among the other 4 cases, it would be here. 6-1 was the perfect tutorial (might be my favorite tutorial case of the series), 6-2 needed to be an Apollo case and you can't follow up a tutorial case with another trial-only case 6-3 was too long and intense to be right before the 5th case and had it been the 4th case, I think it would be too late in the game to introduce Maya. I think this case gives the plot room to breathe especially since 6-3 did so much setting up. It's definitely a change in the formula but I've heard 6-5 is a monster of a case anyway so I don't think having a huge set-up case right before it would've done the game any favors The only flaw that comes with 6-4's placement (as opposed to being placed elsewhere) is as others said, Nayuta being the prosecutor.. But that's so minor in the grand scheme that it's barely even worth worrying about |
Author: | Nurio [ Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:11 am ] |
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MBr wrote: Spoiler: Yeah, I agree, and this required a bit of meta-gaming... Spoiler: Basically with all foreign, niche or abstract concepts that require explanation... Only take the explained parts for granted. Nothing else exists, even if you know or figure better, because if other details were relevant, they would've been explained. |
Author: | Ash [ Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:23 am ] |
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That is how all good, fair-play mystery stories are written. The elements that are needed to solve the mystery are either explicitly mentioned in the narrative, or decently hinted at, and "everything else" is assumed not to exist (i.e. there's no alien transportation device that allows the murderer to transport away out of a locked room, unless mentioned, or hinted at). Fair-play mystery fiction is basically a game, so assume that all the puzzle pieces are presented and that anything else is irrelevant. That is why I never really understood people complaining about the finale of 2-3, because the "thing" had been established as 1) existing and 2) the only thing left in a certain state. It was all mentioned in the narrative... |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:44 am ] |
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Isn't this the only other case (Farewell, My Turnabout being the first) where asphyxiation/suffocation was the cause of death? |
Author: | Nurio [ Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:56 am ] |
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Ash wrote: That is why I never really understood people complaining about the finale of 2-3, because the "thing" had been established as 1) existing and 2) the only thing left in a certain state. It was all mentioned in the narrative... Sorry, slightly off topic, but what thing is that? I had no issues with the mystery part of Case 2-3; just didn't like the characterization. So I have no idea what this "thing" is... |
Author: | Ash [ Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:31 am ] |
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Nurio wrote: Ash wrote: That is why I never really understood people complaining about the finale of 2-3, because the "thing" had been established as 1) existing and 2) the only thing left in a certain state. It was all mentioned in the narrative... Sorry, slightly off topic, but what thing is that? I had no issues with the mystery part of Case 2-3; just didn't like the characterization. So I have no idea what this "thing" is... Spoiler: 2-3 |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:22 pm ] |
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Spoiler: 2-3 |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:39 am ] |
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[]I'm somewhat amused how this case got a whole section of a blog[] |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:36 am ] |
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Does anyone wanna give a summary of the Japanese joke structure that Hsu was talking about? http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa ... 1352206613 I'm curious |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:20 am ] |
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"E: Exactly. At the time, we had wanted to do an episode that was based around Athena, and there is this great pun regarding Time Soba (Toki Soba) that I wanted to make, and that became one of the reasons why the episode is centered on rakugo." He did it for the sake of a pun...? Bless his soul. |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:51 am ] |
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Going for Miles wrote: "E: Exactly. At the time, we had wanted to do an episode that was based around Athena, and there is this great pun regarding Time Soba (Toki Soba) that I wanted to make, and that became one of the reasons why the episode is centered on rakugo." He did it for the sake of a pun...? Bless his soul. Isn't that the entire nature of Ace Attorney though? PUNS |
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